Originally posted by Mindset
I wouldn't really compare Guy to SS in this instance, yes it is possible for him to manipulate energy, but all he did in this fight was make constructs and shoot one blast. 😕
Actually guy is comparable to surfer.
Originally posted by Mindset
Btw, what does Despero have to do with this fight, I haven't been following the posts.
Someone said that surfer would beat Despero.
Originally posted by Sirius77
So just because he didnt do it in that fight, he cant?
*sigh*
It was brought up that Despero never fought anyone with SS level energy manipulation, you then posted scans of Guy fighting Despero to show that Despero can take someone with that level of energy manipulation, yet those scans are irrelevant since Guy didn't even use any energy manipulation. So like I was saying, in this instance those two can not be compared.
It's like me trying to prove Batman could fight people with super speed by using scans of him fighting Flash when Flash isn't using his superspeed. Yes he is capable of using it, but in the fight he is not, so the scans don't matter.
Originally posted by Sirius77
He asked for a fight between Despero and an energy manipulator. Gls are the dc universes top tier energy manipulators. The ones known by name are usually herald level. Martian manhunter is a premier telepath in the dc universe. Both were good examples.
Both were not goog examples as they really proved nothing. When a fight between despero and an enrgy manipulator, any idiot can infer that
the fight was meant to show them actually attempting some from of enrgy manipulation. ITs like saying the hulk can handle speedsters because he has handled the sentry and silver surfer before meanwhile both of them did not use their speed during fights against him
Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
You could look through the past 30 years of Superman being hit by slower opponents if you'd like.I'm trying to gauge Superman at the best of his abilities, and in this instance Supes would be punching and reacting at incredible speeds.
I'm considering Surfer the same way, at the best of his abilities, and he has very very few combat-speed feats to speak of.
So is he getting hit by Thanos so unbelievable? Sure can fly fast though....
Actually you are not considering surfer to the best of his abilities, if you were then you would stop bringing up a fight were thanos koed him in 4 punches and start considering that this is the same surfer who survived beatings from Tenebrous and Aegis( Galactus lvl beings). As i said b4 this fight is not goin to be decided on who hits first because the surfer can take a superman hit no matter the speed and a whole lot more and keep on coming. It is extremely shortsighted to use surfers low showings( that were even considered low showings b4 his upgrade) as a basis for superman being far more durable than him. Surfer b4 his upgrade was just as durbale if not more durable than supes let alone now. Surfer will evntually break out of whatever speedblitz( and this is me actually giving way to the faulty speedblitz notion which diregards and misinterpretes all the scans provided on this forum)) and do his thing theirby putting and end to supermans superhero career.
Originally posted by Sirius77Tenebrous and aegis were not as powerful as galactus. Were the shit are you getting that? Why do you think it took both of them to take him by surprise to beat him and one of him to trap them in the first place? So, yes, I think that imperiex is waaaay over tenebrous and aegis based on feats. I think he and galactus are either on par with each other, or imperiex is more powerful. [/B]
Wow so biaseed that you ignore what was said by galactus and silver surfer and choose to believe your own illogical notion. 🙄
And based on feats glactus is certainly more powerful than imperiex anyway.
Originally posted by h1a8
Superman is not Hulk and Thor. He is uber fast with his strength.
You say that SS can land much more than blows on Superman (which is true). Yet the attacks you say SS will land actually takes a long time (in Superman time of course). Superman almost certainly forces SS into a slugfest at the first instant. So it becomes a matter of who gets the first hit in.
Really i dont understand you. I thought that you had finally seen reason when you said that you now believed that ss had the reflexes to keep up wit supes. But now you talk about him taking a long time to perform his attacks. SS does not take a long time to do his attacks whether it be superman time or normal time. First of all ss does not need to LITERALLY SCAN SUPES TO IDENTIFY HIS WEAKNESS. He has the cosmic sense which will give him all the info needed about supes weakness. Now supes will likley TRY to force this whole match into a slug fest but will fail miserably. In truth the time that superman will take to take ss out in slugfest will be extremly long no matter what speed he is going at. Now i have assumed that u hve learned how to interpret scans so you will therefore agree that when supes initiates the blitz ss will be able to dogde some of his attacks. the first attack that is dodged will spell the end for supes as ss will then be able to initiate an attack of his own whether it be weakness exploitation or even a speedblitz of his own. HE could even phase mid way during supes blitz also giving himself a chance to attack. After breaking away frm the initial supes blitz ss can erect a force field around himself for protection and proceed to dish out a beatdown of his through blast and other enrgy attacks. If ss is really angry he could get creative and begin pulling out the big guns such as time and space manipulation for bfr and temporary absorption into his board
Note that all of the above is in the event that supes gets the first hit in( which is yet conclusively to be proven). In the extremely possible evnt that ss gets the first hit in then this fight will be really boring and
will put a short end to supermans long and illustrious superhero career
Originally posted by Sirius77
He was near the point of origin of the blast. He recieved the force of fifty supernovas. When it exploded, he felt the actual blast, not the 'concussive force'. He might have felt that also, but the point is he recieved the force of fifty supernovas.
Originally posted by Sirius77
It doesnt matter. Despero has done worse.
Moondragoon alone TP controlled the Avengers kinda similar to Despero.. She didnt do Jack to Surfer..
A Watcher could'nt TP Surfer.. Watcher>>>>>Despero.
Kinda low showing for the Martian in that scan considering his fought char. far greater control over TP than Despero.. Making Surfer remember his own worst memories wont do Jack, thats nothing he hasnt face before..
Originally posted by Sirius77
Actually guy is comparable to surfer.
Originally posted by Roldz
But the wave forced him out/away of the origin of the blast therefore your assumption of him receiving the full force of the fifty supernovas is wrong.. He need to be where the center point of the explosion and not be carried away from the concussive force to fell the full brunt.. still an awesome feat dough..
If you put a human being (or anything) point blank in front of fifty supernovas, said human being (or whatever) will recieve the full force of the blast. Because when something is that close to the center of something that powerful, the 'shockwave' won't matter. The blast and said shockwave will hit the target at the exact same time (relatively) because they are both moving at the same speed. So, yes, he did take the blast.
Originally posted by Roldz
Really!! like what? Mind controled half teh Universe..Moondragoon alone TP controlled the Avengers kinda similar to Despero.. She didnt do Jack to Surfer..
He was able to control the seven deadly sins from a distance, when shazam had to be constantly present to do so. Yes. He can mindrape surfer.
Originally posted by Roldz
A Watcher could'nt TP Surfer.. Watcher>>>>>Despero.
Watchers always job.
Originally posted by Roldz
Kinda low showing for the Martian in that scan considering his fought char. far greater control over TP than Despero.. Making Surfer remember his own worst memories wont do Jack, thats nothing he hasnt face before...
Despero is leaps and bounds over Martian manhunter. His tp control rapes Martian manhunters.
And I highly doubt that. Surfer gets extremely emo when it comes to zen-la. If anything, bringing back those memories would slow him down considerably.
Originally posted by Roldz
No his not.. Hal and maybe Kyle (energy control) but the rest not even close..
Yes he is. Guy is almost on hals level.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Wow so biaseed that you ignore what was said by galactus and silver surfer and choose to believe your own illogical notion. 🙄
And based on feats glactus is certainly more powerful than imperiex anyway.
Show me one thing feat wise that proves that tenebrous and aegis are on par with galactus. What have they done?
I suppose you are one of those that believe that just because someone says something in a comic, that it is automatically true. I suppose that you believe that sentry stalemated galactus? Or that king hyperion killed galactus?
I'm not biased. I go by feats. You just look for little nebulous details about characters from your favorite franchise, and fantasize about them enough to convince yourself of your own wild, unfounded, biased, speculations.
Originally posted by h1a8
No offense but you are not a good debater. I am now trying to figure out why people (including me) try to debate with you. You constantly use fallacious reasoning and invalid scans and you also have a lack of knowledge on comic characters. Those scans doesn't show anyone moving at light speed or beyond. Even the darts don't move as fast as bullets. All you have shown was that Wolverine and such have superhuman speed. But there are different levels of superman human speed my friend. How fast do you think flash would see quicksilver moving at his top speed? I think flash would yawn.
But both quicksilver and flash appear to move exactly the same to us humans (who can't distinguish beyond a certain point).
Just wanted to tell you, I guess you didnt understand the point of my post. I wasnt saying that wolverine could move at the speed of light or even close. The point of my scans is that you cant use the fact that superman punching multiple of times= the speed of light. There was nothing in your scan that indicated that superman was even moving the speed of sound. You put superman punching numerous of times so i put wolverine doing the same feat.
(oh my goodness, I hope he gets it now.) 🙁
Originally posted by Sirius77
Show me one thing feat wise that proves that tenebrous and aegis are on par with galactus. What have they done?I suppose you are one of those that believe that just because someone says something in a comic, that it is automatically true. I suppose that you believe that sentry stalemated galactus? Or that king hyperion killed galactus?
I'm not biased. I go by feats. You just look for little nebulous details about characters from your favorite franchise, and fantasize about them enough to convince yourself of your own wild, unfounded, biased, speculations.
this is the most biased statement that I have heard of in my life. Answer this for me, do you think that titan is over regular hulk, if you think yes, give me some scans to prove so. Dont say because he took out the jla because hulk have went against the entire avengers. What feats does titas have that puts him over hulk. Whos stronger to you black adam or doomsday, I sure as hell have plenty of scans to put up that would make superman look far more superior then black adam.