Originally posted by clickclick
Dont be silly. Go back earlier in the thread and you will see that I even picked SS to win. However when you really think about it, Supes might win based on his speed.I think hed be too busy fighting anyway.
Surfer cannot be speedblitzed by supes lol. they are comparable.
NOw supes could speed blits spiderman or hulk or the thing but surfer is a speedster just as much as supes is.
give or take.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
surfer 10/10. He has 4 powers for evry one supes has and has alot of them on a greater scale. The only thing supes has him beaten in is strength. But that will be useless when surfer makes his limbs inanimate.
The same could be said about thor, but he beasted norin twice. Supes is fast enougn to tag surfer and he is physically stronger. Gladiator stalemated norin afterall.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
The same could be said about thor, but he beasted norin twice. Supes is fast enougn to tag surfer and he is physically stronger. Gladiator stalemated norin afterall.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Still, norin has yet to beat thor....someone supes woild have no issue with.
What kind of weak logic is this? A supes surfer fight would be totally different from a thor surfer fight because of their ENTIRELY different powersets! Surfers record against thor is irrelevant considering that supes and thor are NOT the same person or evn close to it. What you think the result between supes and thor would be is also irrelevant.
Further in actuality all the thor surfer fights( regualr no amps) have bin indecisive with no clear winner. Surfer has also never employed any of the tactics advocated in this thread. Frankly against thor surfer almost never uses his speed or exotic powers. It howver matters little surfer has far more options against supes than he would against thor. Supes could ONLY bring SS down with his strength and SS has many ways of nullifying that strength. SS wins no problems at all
Originally posted by ultimatethor
What kind of weak logic is this? A supes surfer fight would be totally different from a thor surfer fight because of their ENTIRELY different powersets! Surfers record against thor is irrelevant considering that supes and thor are NOT the same person or evn close to it. What you think the result between supes and thor would be is also irrelevant.Further in actuality all the thor surfer fights( regualr no amps) have bin indecisive with no clear winner. Surfer has also never employed any of the tactics advocated in this thread. Frankly against thor surfer almost never uses his speed or exotic powers. It howver matters little surfer has far more options against supes than he would against thor. Supes could ONLY bring SS down with his strength and SS has many ways of nullifying that strength. SS wins no problems at all
I don't doubt that SS would win, in fact I would give him 7/10 agaisnt current Supes. The only issue I have is with people claiming"well SS would OMFGWTFPWN's supes 1000/10". IMO this is how I break down the 2:
Strength: Easily goes to Supes, although it's possible SS could amp himself to that level it's never been demonstrated on panel.
Speed: SS has better travel speed but Supes has better combat Speed,...so draw.
Durability: It goes to Norin but he has been rocked by Thor's hammer in the past.
H2H: Easily Supes, SS doesnt know how to fight for shit.
Powerset: Hands down, Norin takes this and this is the only reason SS picks up the vast majority. His versatility and ability to manip energies is what will give him the edge over Supes....K-nite poising is deadly u know.
flawed and biased logic there.
Strength + H2H are the least relevant factors here. as Surfer's speed, agility, phasing and range attacks all make this a blast/energy fight of the style that Surfer employs against Heralds and not a slugfest.
even if it were, even you have acknowledged that Surfer is more durable. now Surfer is even more durable, he can hang with beings of the power and scale of Teneberous and Aegis for a while. this instantly reduces Superman's hopes and chances of physically affecting Surfer to near absolute zero.
it simply would take too long and too much effort from Superman, to physically begin to affect Surfer.
what would Surfer be doing all that time? counting the hairs on Superman's head? (he could do this in a trillionth of a fraction of a second, as he can map galaxies and star systems whilst travelling at multiples of the speed of light)
if it became a physical fight, it's obvious that Surfer would comfortably hang with EVERYTHING Superman could throw at him, but that once Surfer decided to amp himself to match or exceed Superman... Superman would be finished.
it doesn't matter what kinds of "fighting skill" superman has, it comes down to finding ways to affect Surfer physically... and given his galactic glaze and his in-organic nature (Surfer doesn't breath/eat etc)... what's Superman going to hurt?
Originally posted by The Great Galen
I don't doubt that SS would win, in fact I would give him 7/10 agaisnt current Supes. The only issue I have is with people claiming"well SS would OMFGWTFPWN's supes 1000/10". IMO this is how I break down the 2:Strength: Easily goes to Supes, although it's possible SS could amp himself to that level it's never been demonstrated on panel.
Speed: SS has better travel speed but Supes has better combat Speed,...so draw.
Durability: It goes to Norin but he has been rocked by Thor's hammer in the past.
H2H: Easily Supes, SS doesnt know how to fight for shit.
Powerset: Hands down, Norin takes this and this is the only reason SS picks up the vast majority. His versatility and ability to manip energies is what will give him the edge over Supes....K-nite poising is deadly u know.
The only advantage that is really an advantage is supes strength. His hand to hand will not come into play at all considering that SS would be a fool to take him on that way. Your list of advantages makes this fight alot closer than it actually is. For one ss is just as good as supes battle speedwise. Also SS VASTLY superior powerset will nullify absolutely ANY advantage supes has. SS does not need to use K nite to down supes. Its just ONE of the things he could do. BFR, Entrapment in his board, Enrgy encasing, manipulating of supes enrgy are just a few of the ways SS can beat supes. Supes only way of beating SS is to knock him out. This in itself will be extremely hard cause SS is just about the most durable top tier and furthermore has GL level forcefields. Superman knocking out SS is very unlikely and would only happen if SS was stupid enough to allow him. Supes is way too limited to fight SS and stand a chance.
Originally posted by janus77
flawed and biased logic there.Strength + H2H are the least relevant factors here. as Surfer's speed, agility, phasing and range attacks all make this a blast/energy fight of the style that Surfer employs against Heralds and not a slugfest.
even if it were, even you have acknowledged that Surfer is more durable. now Surfer is even more durable, he can hang with beings of the power and scale of Teneberous and Aegis for a while. this instantly reduces Superman's hopes and chances of physically affecting Surfer to near absolute zero.
it simply would take too long and too much effort from Superman, to physically begin to affect Surfer.
what would Surfer be doing all that time? counting the hairs on Superman's head? (he could do this in a trillionth of a fraction of a second, as he can map galaxies and star systems whilst travelling at multiples of the speed of light)
if it became a physical fight, it's obvious that Surfer would comfortably hang with EVERYTHING Superman could throw at him, but that once Surfer decided to amp himself to match or exceed Superman... Superman would be finished.
it doesn't matter what kinds of "fighting skill" superman has, it comes down to finding ways to affect Surfer physically... and given his galactic glaze and his in-organic nature (Surfer doesn't breath/eat etc)... what's Superman going to hurt?
I think you're thinking Supes is a FTL character as well who's speed is very comparable to Norin. As I said he might not have the travel feats of SS but he does have better battle speed....and who's to say SS would even land a projectile attack, this isnt Hulk or Thing were talking about afterall. Now it's true SS has higher durbaility, but to suggest he would go unphased by any shots Supes has to offer is laughable.
I agree SS wins the majority agaisnt this version of Supes, but im giving supes at least 3 so as i said SS gets 7/10