Originally posted by Mindset
And that would give him the advantage?
Not by itself, no. But the fight is fought under his terms in the astral plane his opponents advantages will be negated and Supes is the better fighter. Not that I care if T-Vo is allowed or not, I just don't see surfer devolving Supes there's no precedence for such a feat as far as his fights go.
Originally posted by AllanklesWhat I mean is SS is able to fight in the astral plane as well, I don't see what advantages there are to negate. Not that I agree with what Janus is saying.
Not by itself, no. But the fight is fought under his terms in the astral plane his opponents advantages will be negated and Supes is the better fighter. Not that I care if T-Vo is allowed or not, I just don't see surfer devolving Supes there's no precedence for such a feat as far as his fights go.
Originally posted by Mindset
What I mean is SS is able to fight in the astral plane as well, I don't see what advantages there are to negate. Not that I agree with what Janus is saying.
I didn't say SS can't fight. With T-Vo Supes can actually control the way the battle plays out. Since he's well trained in T-Vo he can manipulate the plane in which they fight.
Surfer is nearly invincible (Surfer actually says he's invincible, but I'll not go that far) on the astral plane. It's the very source of the Power Cosmic - meaning if they fought on the astral plane, you'd be giving the Silver Surfer an infinite amount of power to wield against Kal.
Not a good idea. He'd get his ass beat a lot faster.
Originally posted by Mindset
That would be if Supes control over the astral plane was stronger than SS, right?
First of all T-Vo doesn't enable the combatants to fight on The Astral plane as it's described in Marvel. It is merely a higher state of consciousness where the practitioner's will power and understanding of the parametres of T-Vo are the only factors besides combat skill. Essentially Supes can alter reality on this higher state of consciousness.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Surfer is nearly invincible (Surfer actually says he's invincible, but I'll not go that far) on the astral plane. It's the very source of the Power Cosmic - meaning if they fought on the astral plane, you'd be giving the Silver Surfer an infinite amount of power to wield against Kal.Not a good idea. He'd get his ass beat a lot faster.
As I have already explained the astral plane with T-Vo is merely a higher state of consciousness. It is not the same as the Astral plane in Marvel. Superman links his mind with Surfer and they do battle in plane of higher consciousness. With Supes training he can alter the reality in this plane and SS would be at a disadvantage.
EDIT: This is all besides the point. I was just dropping one of Supes esoteric powers into the debate, if people were willing to accept the SS devolving argument.
Originally posted by AllanklesWell then SS takes him into the astral plane before Supes can use t-vo 😉
First of all T-Vo doesn't enable the combatants to fight on The Astral plane as it's described in Marvel. It is merely a higher state of consciousness where the practitioner's will power and understanding of the parametres of T-Vo are the only factors besides combat skill. Essentially Supes can alter reality on this higher state of consciousness.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Ok lets settle this once and for all because I'm sick of seeing people duck and dodge points and act like they've argued to a legitimate impasse. I'm throwing down the gauntlet to anyone who's man enough to pick it up and let the onlookers and judges decide who's "won" the debate.Battlezone.
Surfer vs Supes
Me vs anyone interested
Who wants some?
Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh come on Supes fans, I’m not even talking about a Battlezone to prove who wins in a forum fight between Surfer and Supes because that’d be way to easy for me and we‘d probably never agree on the judges anyway. I’m talking about a Battlezone to determine which side is actually “winning” the debate itself. In other words, which side of the argument is doing a better job of raising valid points and addressing and countering the points of their opponents rather than sidestepping/making BS claims and then claiming “victory“ in the argument. If your of the opinion that the result is an even split then go ahead and debate that, it’s about the debate itself not who wins a fight between Surfer and Supes.So come on, don’t be scared. All you have to do is bring a reasonable arguement to the table and you've got a legitimate shot at winning. Of course if you already know that all you're really doing is talking out of your ass...
Come on guys, this threads been going in circles for years now and EVERYBODY likes to claim that they're the ones on the winning side of the arguement. Leave it to the judges and we can find out who's really making the better case.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Originally posted by fangirl101
You have two guys who are equal in power all things considered. One is considerable more versatile and holds the other's hoe card. meaning that one can pretty much do what it takes to kill the other with ease. No one is going to debate that. Now if you say something like, Surfer has to pwn Superman without red sunlight, energy draining, or kryptonite, then one of the superman people may take you up on that. Because then Surfer would have an excrutiating time beating Superman.
Tha's assuming k-nite,red sun are even within SS abilites to create...and thats even assuming energy abosrbing would be effective agaisnt Supes. Anyhow I say it can go either way, a slight advantage to SS if he can create Supes weakness which should make it 6/10 in his favor.
Originally posted by fangirl101
You have two guys who are equal in power all things considered. One is considerable more versatile and holds the other's hoe card. meaning that one can pretty much do what it takes to kill the other with ease. No one is going to debate that. Now if you say something like, Surfer has to pwn Superman without red sunlight, energy draining, or kryptonite, then one of the superman people may take you up on that. Because then Surfer would have an excrutiating time beating Superman.
But on that note, I am of the opinion that Surfer wins a "no k-nite/red sun/solar absorption" match 6/10 and have no problem debating from that stance either if someone wants to take me up on it
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Tha's assuming k-nite,red sun are even within SS abilites to create...and thats even assuming energy abosrbing would be effective agaisnt Supes. Anyhow I say it can go either way, a slight advantage to SS if he can create Supes weakness which should make it 6/10 in his favor.