Superman vs Silver surfer

Originally posted by Starscream M
if you think Surfer wins 6/10 that means you think Superman wins 4/10

its just a matter of degree then and not really worth either of our time or effort to debate

Originally posted by darthgoober
Supes fights against people who know about his weaknesses every day, has he ever used T-Vo right out of the gate on ANY of them just for having the info?

Originally posted by Starscream M
would basic knowledge cover the kryptonite weakness?

i thought basic knowledge was more like what tier fighter your opponent is and their basic powers....i dont think specific weaknesses account for basic knowledge...becuase it infers too great of a disadvantage againt those possessing an inherent achilles heel

It would cover the knowledge of it yes...but it doesn't mean Surfer could recreate it. As long as surfer has failed to detect and even duplicate certain spectrums (and he has) then it isn't viable evidence.

Also take the fact that even synthetic kryptonite is nowhere near as effective as the real thing and the case gets worse.

On top of that take that Kryptonite's from different universes don't work ever since Infinite crisis and it's pretty much a sealed case.

And of course.. if we are using characters to their full powersets:

There is nothing SS has that begins to compare to Dominus. Especially when Superman can adapt on the fly to any situation. Here he's breaking out of kryptonite chains, effortlessly gets through a bizarro army AND basically laughs off reality warping...

Originally posted by fangirl101
Supers fights how many people on surfer's level everday?

Originally posted by fangirl101
Supers fights how many people on surfer's level everday?

That's as silly as asking, how many times has Surfer been able to use Cosmic awareness to detect his enemies weakness, recreate said weakness on the fly, and do something outside of h2h and blasts.

Besides, T-vo can be used to disperse energy as well...like so...

Here's Supes dispersing an army of Adversary's amped by Satannus on the fly. Each one of these guys is Hulk level on their own.

No one is Hulk level, you liar

Oh, and let's not forget that T-vo not only gives Superman control of the battleground BUT he can exert his will over his opponents powers.

"Superman's will, Dominus ability"

Originally posted by Starscream M
radioactive man is a marvel character?

Radioactive man is:

A: A different character thus his feat doesn't count towards Surfer. That's faulty logic.

B: As of IC, Kryptonite from different universes don't affect Superman. JLA/Avengers takes place way before that. Even in an old Byrne arc, Superman himself used kryptonite on pc krytponians and it did nothing to him.

And just so Bruce's earlier statements don't go unanswered since no one seems to have the guts to let judges decide who's right in a Battlezone...

Originally posted by Starscream M
Comparable Speed - hahahahaha, are you friggin serious? you gonna tell me with a straight face that a guy who has never blitzed in his life is comparably as fast in combat speed as the guy who basically invented the term speed blitz.

Originally posted by Starscream M
Comparable Durability(if not an edge) - Supermans durability is TOP notch, I really cant think of a person who has greater durability...he almost has PIS durability like Rocky Balboa or Goku. Dont know much about Surfer's durability, but I don't recall him ever taking as much brutal punishment as Superman has. I'd give the edge to Kal...but willing to concede a semidraw.

Originally posted by Starscream M
Superior ranged attacks - Oh RLY? I doubt Surfer's ranged attacks are as fast and accurate as Supe's heat vision or as versatile as Supe's freeze breath and Xray vision. Sure surfers cosmic blasts are prob more powerful, but an attack is only effective if it hits its target...and ummm...lets just say surfer may have a better shot at wackamole.

And on top of all that, as you already admitted Surfer's blackhole creating blasts are more powerful than Supes's planet destroying Heatvision.

Originally posted by Starscream M
Overall greater versatility - kinda pointless when hes overpowered and overspeeded by superman

Originally posted by Starscream M
Comparable Speed - hahahahaha, are you friggin serious? you gonna tell me with a straight face that a guy who has never blitzed in his life is comparably as fast in combat speed as the guy who basically invented the term speed blitz.

Comparable Durability(if not an edge) - Supermans durability is TOP notch, I really cant think of a person who has greater durability...he almost has PIS durability like Rocky Balboa or Goku. Dont know much about Surfer's durability, but I don't recall him ever taking as much brutal punishment as Superman has. I'd give the edge to Kal...but willing to concede a semidraw.

Superior ranged attacks - Oh RLY? I doubt Surfer's ranged attacks are as fast and accurate as Supe's heat vision or as versatile as Supe's freeze breath and Xray vision. Sure surfers cosmic blasts are prob more powerful, but an attack is only effective if it hits its target...and ummm...lets just say surfer may have a better shot at wackamole.

BFR capabilities - well i guess. but BFR is pointless. its not a victory really, it just means surfer is trying to avoid defeat by running away.

Weakness exploitation - already been debunked (see above). In character surfer would not resort to such things in the middle of a battle.

Overall greater versatility - kinda pointless when hes overpowered and overspeeded by superman

Really all this has been gone over but there no harm in doing it again

1. Comparable speed- Please show examples of superman performing a speed blitz at a confirmed speed or dont even bother with that useless argument. And FYI Surfer has blitzed before

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...99003316ik9.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/annihilationsilversurferi9-1.jpg

2.Comparable durability- See this is where me and goober may even disagree, i believe that surfer has superior durability. His forcefields make him even more durable. What u think about supermans durability is absolutely irrelevant.( uve already admitted u dont even know that much about him). So as for some surfer durability feats,

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2--4.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2--3.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2--2.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2--1.jpg

He was still conscious after all that from Big G level beings

He is unhurt after hulks best shots

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/...y2page03dn9.jpg

Takes planetary destroying blast

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/...nual1619je3.jpg

Here he is actually fighting in a blackhole while weakned( not escaping via speed)

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/93...ourer217yj3.jpg

Taking blast from elder God

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Surferfightseldergodjpg2jpg3.jpg

Now that weve gone over that theres also the issue of forcefields to buttress that durability.

creates forcefield AFTER firelords energy beam has already been fired.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/80245_flvsss1-1.jpg

Creates multipe forcefields with a thought.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/X-men_Unlimited_13-14.jpg

Forcefields easily withstanding blows from a very angry hulk
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/SSforcefield1.jpg

Against ravenous
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/AnnihilationSilverSurfer4-015.jpg

And here some proof that SS can create tailor make his forcefields to his own desires and can be so specific that he can do it on a submolecular level. Here he shields millions of ships drivetechs soley from electromagnetic distortion while he is in an entirely different location just by blinking.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/scan0016og0-1.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/scan0017av4-1.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/scan0018lv5-1.jpg

A similar forcefield of red sunlight around superman is very possible.

So defensively surfer certainly does have the advantage.

Superior ranged attacks- I cant believe u even want to compare the two. Ice breadth and heat vision? Surfer not only has a superior range of energy attacks but also has more powerful ones. Surfer wont have many problems hitting his target as he can also buzz around at high speeds on his board while attacking.
Proof of superior energy attack range and power

Disintegration beam
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/surferatomicdisintegration1.jpg

Heat vison? Check
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/SScreatesoxygen.jpg

Omni directional explosive blast
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/AnnihilationSilverSurfer4-017.jpg

Here a normal concussive force blast
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/silversurfer01520levitatq9.jpg

Here is a blast that works on the metaphysical level.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/ss1kv7.jpg

I wudve included surfer affecting vision while phased with a blast but im in a rush.

BFR- This still counts as a win in this match so whther u think its pointless or not its still valid.

Weakness exploitation- As i showed above surfer does have the ability to search for weaknesses while in battle. And he wil be able to detect that supermans is an energy based character. Coupled with the general knowledge he will already have, Surfer scanning supes for a weakness( he doesnt even need to scan) is very possible. Surfer is always trying to find the easiest way to defeat his opponent without killing them. Hence the reason he absorbs hulks energy and threatened to down gladiator with his weakness.

Overall versatility- Surfer isnt going to be overpowered or out sped by supes in anyway. He has a superior power output and comparable speed. Add that to his beating supes in powers by a ratio of 5:1 then its game set and match

Originally posted by ultimatethor
2.Comparable durability- See this is where me and goober may even disagree,

Originally posted by darthgoober
Not really, I wasn't talking about force fields when I said their durability was comparable. I just meant their own personal durability. Surfer's not the type to raise a force field unless he has a reason, and it's not like he'll NEED one to take punches from Supes.

Well thats true. His personal durability is certainly good enough to handle supes punches.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Well thats true. His personal durability is certainly good enough to handle supes punches.

Trying to show a Supes fanboy that Clark can't beat everyone, you might as well try to teach your dog how to use chop sticks with his ashole.

Originally posted by TheBadguy
Trying to show a Supes fanboy that Clark can't beat everyone, you might as well try to teach your dog how to use chop sticks with his ashole.

Nice thread, going way nice and entertaining.

Damn this thread just moves to quickly,,leave for a few hours and damn. Anyhow 5/5 for me, can go either way but Im leaning with Supes.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
while the power cosmic is coursing through him, the cosmic glaze is impervious to anything superman can muster.

Originally posted by fangirl101
how come storm's lightning hurt surfer?

Can Superman shoot lightning bolts now? No.

Another red herring. Congrats.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Can Superman shoot lightning bolts now? No.

Another red herring. Congrats.

He did abosrb it though, he could probably use T-VO to summon lighting if he wanted 🙂

Originally posted by The Great Galen
He did abosrb it though, he could probably use T-VO to summon lighting if he wanted 🙂

And Surfer could probably put singularities in Kal's brain to make him forget how to T-Vo, or expand the orbit of his electrons to make him wink out of existence.