Superman vs Silver surfer

lol

This is incredible. So now the new argument is that based on a PIS incident superman must be superior to SS because his writers wud have never put him in that kind of situation. This "debate" has become an all out comedy.hysterical

Originally posted by Starscream M
if I knew as much as Avlon about Superman, I'd take you in a heartbeat...but I don't.

Originally posted by Starscream M
so tell me how you think Surfer would beat Superman?

wait, let me guess:

1) create red sun

- implausible since Surfer does not scan for weaknesses in the middle of a fight

2) create kryptonite

- see 1
- also kryptonite only exists in DC. so Surfer can't make it

3) turn superman into 'some object' with matter manipulation
impossible because Superman has a forcefield that protects him from matter manipulation (see darkseids omega beams)

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Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh come on Supes fans, I’m not even talking about a Battlezone to prove who wins in a forum fight between Surfer and Supes because that’d be way to easy for me and we‘d probably never agree on the judges anyway. I’m talking about a Battlezone to determine which side is actually “winning” the debate itself. In other words, which side of the argument is doing a better job of raising valid points and addressing and countering the points of their opponents rather than sidestepping/making BS claims and then claiming “victory“ in the argument. If your of the opinion that the result is an even split then go ahead and debate that, it’s about the debate itself not who wins a fight between Surfer and Supes.

So come on, don’t be scared. All you have to do is bring a reasonable arguement to the table and you've got a legitimate shot at winning. Of course if you already know that all you're really doing is talking out of your ass...

Originally posted by darthgoober
There are people all over the world who have a pulse and three braincells that don't know a damn thing about Surfer. You want proof that the writer doesn't always know the full capabilities of a character in his book...

Now how much does it say about Supes that both the writer and editor thought that was passable?

ANY body who works in the comic industry knows that Surfer is a cosmic agent of Galactus and that BP is a street bum

Now, they may not know about Surfer's fancy matter and energy manipualation powers but they know he is a powerful cosmic guy

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your example was bad. Superman says hes faster than a bullet. So? nothing wrong with that. That doesnt mean he can always catch up to something hes faster than, there are circumstances. Im faster than my grandma (alot faster) but if in a 100 m race you put her 1 feet away from the finish line, she beats me.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Dude. Superman had to learned to breathe in space during the byrne era. He could breathe in space as a kid in legion of super heroes. So your scan is NOT canon.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Well if you're that certain then lets have a Battlezone since you obviously know what arguements to bring to up. It's like I said before...

Originally posted by Starscream M
lol at your equivocating

ANY body who works in the comic industry knows that Surfer is a cosmic agent of Galactus and that BP is a street bum

Now, they may not know about Surfer's fancy matter and energy manipualation powers but they know he is a powerful cosmic guy

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your example was bad. Superman says hes faster than a bullet. So? nothing wrong with that. That doesnt mean he can always catch up to something hes faster than, there are circumstances. Im faster than my grandma (alot faster) but if in a 100 m race you put her 1 feet away from the finish line, she beats me.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh come on Supes fans, I’m not even talking about a Battlezone to prove who wins in a forum fight between Surfer and Supes because that’d be way to easy for me and we‘d probably never agree on the judges anyway. I’m talking about a Battlezone to determine which side is actually “winning” the debate itself. In other words, which side of the argument is doing a better job of raising valid points and addressing and countering the points of their opponents rather than sidestepping/making BS claims and then claiming “victory“ in the argument. If your of the opinion that the result is an even split then go ahead and debate that, it’s about the debate itself not who wins a fight between Surfer and Supes.

So come on, don’t be scared. All you have to do is bring a reasonable arguement to the table and you've got a legitimate shot at winning. Of course if you already know that all you're really doing is talking out of your ass...

Originally posted by Starscream M
your example was bad. Superman says hes faster than a bullet. So? nothing wrong with that. That doesnt mean he can always catch up to something hes faster than, there are circumstances. Im faster than my grandma (alot faster) but if in a 100 m race you put her 1 feet away from the finish line, she beats me.

My 2 cents.

The red sun weakness isn't common knowledge.

K-nite would be difficult to replicate given that only k-nite from Superman's universe works.

That's how I would look at a BZ match.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Sure it is, unless you're wanting to write off Byrne's entire run. And if you're going to make the claim that his ENTIRE run is no longer canon, then that claim ALSO needs to be backed by proof.

he could have used heat vision to vaporize them though....but for the sake of the story, those men had to die.

Originally posted by Starscream M
so tell me what your arguments are right here right now...no need for a battlezone. you dont need to be detailed or provide scans...just briefly list the reasons and I'll debunk them as gently as possible.

Originally posted by Badabing
My 2 cents.

The red sun weakness isn't common knowledge.

K-nite would be difficult to replicate given that only k-nite from Superman's universe works.

That's how I would look at a BZ match.

Cosmic Awareness

Radioactive Man created it with ease

Originally posted by Badabing
My 2 cents.

The red sun weakness isn't common knowledge.

K-nite would be difficult to replicate given that only k-nite from Superman's universe works.

That's how I would look at a BZ match.

Originally posted by fangirl101
The run itself is in question since the origin changed. The feats superman had trouble performing would be in question becuz he was far more powerful in his teens and his current levels are more powerful. and again, The powers specifically are in questions since we already have instance where he didn't learn to breath in byrne's era. which is related to his powers. any and all referenc to superman's powers are null and void in the byrne era. he changed superman's powers, the scope of them and the way they worked. Which is directly conflicting with legion canon.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I know you were just throwing your opinion out there but...

Cosmic Awareness

Radioactive Man created it with ease

Originally posted by fangirl101
Radio active man created it in a combined universe correct? and with instruction.

Originally posted by Starscream M
so tell me how you think Surfer would beat Superman?

wait, let me guess:

1) create red sun

- implausible since Surfer does not scan for weaknesses in the middle of a fight

2) create kryptonite

- see 1
- also kryptonite only exists in DC. so Surfer can't make it

3) turn superman into 'some object' with matter manipulation
impossible because Superman has a forcefield that protects him from matter manipulation (see darkseids omega beams)

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Surfer doesnt scan for weakneses?

He seems to be doing so here

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/silversurfer199612012wc8.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/silversurfer199612013xu7.jpg

Comparable Speed - hahahahaha, are you friggin serious? you gonna tell me with a straight face that a guy who has never blitzed in his life is comparably as fast in combat speed as the guy who basically invented the term speed blitz.

Comparable Durability(if not an edge) - Supermans durability is TOP notch, I really cant think of a person who has greater durability...he almost has PIS durability like Rocky Balboa or Goku. Dont know much about Surfer's durability, but I don't recall him ever taking as much brutal punishment as Superman has. I'd give the edge to Kal...but willing to concede a semidraw.

Superior ranged attacks - Oh RLY? I doubt Surfer's ranged attacks are as fast and accurate as Supe's heat vision or as versatile as Supe's freeze breath and Xray vision. Sure surfers cosmic blasts are prob more powerful, but an attack is only effective if it hits its target...and ummm...lets just say surfer may have a better shot at wackamole.

BFR capabilities - well i guess. but BFR is pointless. its not a victory really, it just means surfer is trying to avoid defeat by running away.

Weakness exploitation - already been debunked (see above). In character surfer would not resort to such things in the middle of a battle.

Overall greater versatility - kinda pointless when hes overpowered and overspeeded by superman