Originally posted by Starscream Mbottom page bump
Comparable Speed - hahahahaha, are you friggin serious? you gonna tell me with a straight face that a guy who has never blitzed in his life is comparably as fast in combat speed as the guy who basically invented the term speed blitz.Comparable Durability(if not an edge) - Supermans durability is TOP notch, I really cant think of a person who has greater durability...he almost has PIS durability like Rocky Balboa or Goku. Dont know much about Surfer's durability, but I don't recall him ever taking as much brutal punishment as Superman has. I'd give the edge to Kal...but willing to concede a semidraw.
Superior ranged attacks - Oh RLY? I doubt Surfer's ranged attacks are as fast and accurate as Supe's heat vision or as versatile as Supe's freeze breath and Xray vision. Sure surfers cosmic blasts are prob more powerful, but an attack is only effective if it hits its target...and ummm...lets just say surfer may have a better shot at wackamole.
BFR capabilities - well i guess. but BFR is pointless. its not a victory really, it just means surfer is trying to avoid defeat by running away.
Weakness exploitation - already been debunked (see above). In character surfer would not resort to such things in the middle of a battle.
Overall greater versatility - kinda pointless when hes overpowered and overspeeded by superman
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Surfer doesnt scan for weakneses?He seems to be doing so here
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/silversurfer199612012wc8.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/silversurfer199612013xu7.jpg
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Surfer doesnt scan for weakneses?He seems to be doing so here
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/silversurfer199612012wc8.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/silversurfer199612013xu7.jpg
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3939/mcp06927fv8.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/998/galactusthedevourer518no4.jpg
Originally posted by ultimatethorhe was scannig only because he expected to find a flaw
Surfer doesnt scan for weakneses?He seems to be doing so here
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/silversurfer199612012wc8.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/silversurfer199612013xu7.jpg
its not in character for surfer to scan opponents when he doesnt expect a preexisting weakness
Originally posted by Starscream M
he was scannig only because he expected to find a flawits not in character for surfer to scan opponents when he doesnt expect a preexisting weakness
Originally posted by Starscream M
what really?ok that changes things.
I didnt realize contestants knew about each others weaknesses prebattle.
Basic Knowledge
Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows. For example, that Superman has a weakness to Kryptonite is general knowledge, but that he's Clark Kent is not.
Originally posted by darthgooberwould basic knowledge cover the kryptonite weakness?
Strait from the Forum Rules...Basic Knowledge
Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows. For example, that Superman has a weakness to Kryptonite is general knowledge, but that he's Clark Kent is not.
i thought basic knowledge was more like what tier fighter your opponent is and their basic powers....i dont think specific weaknesses account for basic knowledge...becuase it infers too great of a disadvantage againt those possessing an inherent achilles heel
Originally posted by Starscream M
would basic knowledge cover the kryptonite weakness?i thought basic knowledge was more like what tier fighter your opponent is and their basic powers....i dont think specific weaknesses account for basic knowledge...becuase it infers too great of a disadvantage againt those possessing an inherent achilles heel
Originally posted by darthgooberoh didnt realize that was an actual example...thought you just used your own
Yeah...
Basic Knowledge
Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows. [b]For example, that Superman has a weakness to Kryptonite is general knowledge, but that he's Clark Kent is not. [/B]
if thats the case, then I guess I would have to say Surfer wins. With advance knowledge of Superman's greatest weaknesses, Surfer has a HUGE, if not INSURMOUNTABLE, advantage. I consider the fight to be unfair, but have to admit Surfer would win under such a scenario.
Now, if he has no idea of Superman's weaknesses, then I think Superman wins.
Originally posted by fangirl101
So basic knowlege would mean superman immediately uses t-Vo on surfer in every battle since he knows surfer would know about his k-nite weakness. forget what each character does in character. cuz that is what's happening here.
Originally posted by darthgooberif you think Surfer wins 6/10 that means you think Superman wins 4/10
Really Bruce, even if you're changing your opinion of the basic match, I'm also of the opinion that Surfer wins at least 6/10 against Supes with no weakness exploitation if you'd like to have a match to that effect.
its just a matter of degree then and not really worth either of our time or effort to debate
