THIS IS A NO CONTEST; SS WINS HANDS DOWN. THE SURFER CAN MANIPULATE MATTER ON ANY LEVEL AND COSMIC RADIATION, HE HAS ALSO AMPED UP HIS STRENGTH TO FIGHT THE HULK. HE IS FASTER THAN SUPERMAN. SUPERMAN IS JUST BELOW LIGHT SPEED, THE FLASH IS AT LOW LEVEL LIGHT SPEED ANYTHING ELSE HE IS ABSORBED BY THE SPEED FORCE. THE SURFER CAN MOVE AT SPEEDS BEYOUND LIGHT, CHECK OUT THE INFINITE GAUNTLET. THAT IS WHY ADAM WARLOCK HELD HIM BACK, FOR A SNEAK ATTACK.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
cbut since you doubt the cosmic glaze, try debunking the fact that it was only cracked under the blows and energy discharges of not one but two galactus level entities, prior to norrin's revelation on how to beat them.
I've seen SS KO'd without him losing the shiny luster of his skin. To say that it has to be cracked is a fallacy. I'm not sure why this is even being brought up as some sort of evidence.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
superman generating the same (or superior) force and or cosmic power to overwhelm the pc invested in surfer's body/glaze to do what T & A combined couldn't do is total bs to the utmost.
Perhaps we haven't read the same arc. T & A's physical force wasn't even anywhere near planet destroying. Surfer generating superior force or power compared to Darkseid won't happen or an army of bizarro's won't happen.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
and the fact that norrin has stated himself to be able to simply play upon
built-in weakness of gladiator, a known superman parallel gets simple ignored..... and i'm a "fanboy"?
Other than that being used out of context... it states nothing of CA being used, what the weakness is or if SS could recreat it.
SS could have said "I can fart live flying monkeys out my ass" and it wouldn't have been any different. It's a simple statement that doesn't prove multiple things.
Even in annihilation he learned of Ravenous weakness through observation rather than by Cosmic awareness. He had to tell the other heralds what it was because none of them knew what it was.
Cosmic awareness hasn't prevented him from having his power jacked either. It's not a green lantern ring ai. It's simply a tool that fits well to someone who's job is to soar the cosmos to locate things.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
this is a FORUM FIGHT and just like a martial arts bout, all you have to do to win is end the fight in your favor. why wouldn't surfer use the most humane method to end it?
It works both ways. T-vo can be used in a pacifying way as well as an MA style art.
Surfer can make red sunlight. And red sunlight has worked more times on Superman than not... by a hefty margin. Surfer has the ability to drain yellow sunlight. Which has also worked on Superman. Surfer's raw power output is greater than Superman's. Surfer's physical and energy durability is superior to Superman's. Silver Surfer's senses are superior to Superman's. Silver Surfer's reaction speeds are faster than Superman's. Surfer's travelling speed is faster than Superman's.
Superman can vibrate intangible? Surfer can just phase intangible. Superman has superior combat speed? Not on the level of Runner, the only speedster who has wrecked Surfer with speed. Superman can be cheap and T-vo? Surfer can be cheap and BFR, both spatially and temporally. They're both equally quick on the draw with it. And Surfer does it more often than Superman uses T-Vo.
Silver Surfer 7/10.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Surfer can make red sunlight. And red sunlight has worked more times on Superman than not... by a hefty margin. Surfer has the ability to drain yellow sunlight. Which has also worked on Superman. Surfer's raw power output is greater than Superman's. Surfer's physical and energy durability is superior to Superman's. Silver Surfer's senses are superior to Superman's. Silver Surfer's reaction speeds are faster than Superman's. Surfer's travelling speed is faster than Superman's.Superman can vibrate intangible? Surfer can just phase intangible. Superman has superior combat speed? Not on the level of Runner, the only speedster who has wrecked Surfer with speed. Superman can be cheap and T-vo? Surfer can be cheap and BFR, both spatially and temporally. They're both equally quick on the draw with it. And Surfer does it more often than Superman uses T-Vo.
Silver Surfer 7/10.
Except that red sunlight has been resisted by Supes in the past, and what are the chances SS can create red sunlight faster then Supes travel speed. As far as physical durability...SS has never took a galaxy busting blast. As far as reflex goes...SS is constantly tagged by THanos whilst Supes has actually diplayed the ability to react in h2h at superspeed. As far as t-vo vs BFR....T-vo could possible allow Supes to use PC agaisnt SS.
Originally posted by The Great GalenLet me repeat myself: And red sunlight has worked more times on Superman than not... by a hefty margin. Superman has been hit by energy blasts before. A lot. So Superman's travelling speed is really a non-factor. Just as Silver Surfer's superior travelling speed does not make using energy blasts against him useless, i.e. heat vision .
Except that red sunlight has been resisted by Supes in the past, and what are the chances SS can create red sunlight faster then Supes travel speed. As far as physical durability...SS has never took a galaxy busting blast. As far as reflex goes...SS is constantly tagged by THanos whilst Supes has actually diplayed the ability to react in h2h at superspeed. As far as t-vo vs BFR....T-vo could possible allow Supes to use PC agaisnt SS.
The Great Galen... "When did Superman take a galaxy busting blast?"
Thanos has tagged speedsters before. Supes has been tagged by bricks like the General. As far as t-vo vs BFR, BFR would just guarantee an insta-win for Surfer. It's instant and simple. Therefore, I think it's cheaper than T-vo. Yes. It's true. T-vo may be sillier, but it's not cheaper than BFR.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Let me repeat myself: [b]And red sunlight has worked more times on Superman than not... by a hefty margin. Superman has been hit by energy blasts before. A lot. So Superman's travelling speed is really a non-factor. Just as Silver Surfer's superior travelling speed does not make using energy blasts against him useless, i.e. heat vision .The Great Galen... "When did Superman take a galaxy busting blast?"
Thanos has tagged speedsters before. Supes has been tagged by bricks like the General. As far as t-vo vs BFR, BFR would just guarantee an insta-win for Surfer. It's instant and simple. Therefore, I think it's cheaper than T-vo. Yes. It's true. T-vo may be sillier, but it's not cheaper than BFR. [/B]
Hmm..considering Supes has resisted reality warping from a legitimate skyfather I somehow doubt a BFR from SS will do the trick. At any the biggest difference is that Supes has shown the ability to actually blitz in the past. he has h2h combat speed unlike SS. Aside from better combat reflex, Supes also has exceptional reflex in general...so I dont really see SS landing that many blast on him as much as I see SS knocking SS around.
Originally posted by The Great GalenSuperman has also been transformed by pixie dust. I don't doubt what you say happened, although a specific example would be informative. Nevertheless, reality warping is a different animal than a BFR. Superman, in my memory, has never resisted forced teleportation or forced time travel. Superman has shown the ability to actually blitz int he past. Surfer has shown the ability to actually fight off a blitz in the past. Superman has superior H2H combat speed. You name one advantage in comparison to the half dozen clear advantages that Surfer has over Superman. I don't really see a single advantage which Surfer has countered in the past overcoming Surfer's numerous advantages.
Hmm..considering Supes has resisted reality warping from a legitimate skyfather I somehow doubt a BFR from SS will do the trick. At any the biggest difference is that Supes has shown the ability to actually blitz in the past. he has h2h combat speed unlike SS. Aside from better combat reflex, Supes also has exceptional reflex in general...so I dont really see SS landing that many blast on him as much as I see SS knocking SS around.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Superman has also been transformed by pixie dust. I don't doubt what you say happened, although a specific example would be informative. Nevertheless, reality warping is a different animal than a BFR. Superman, in my memory, has never resisted forced teleportation or forced time travel. Superman has shown the ability to actually blitz int he past. Surfer has shown the ability to actually fight off a blitz in the past. Superman has superior H2H combat speed. You name one advantage in comparison to the half dozen clear advantages that Surfer has over Superman. I don't really see a single advantage which Surfer has countered in the past overcoming Surfer's numerous advantages.
SS simply slapped into the air which stopped ganymade's blitz, he didnt actually trace her stikes. Besides that, has SS ever fended a blitz with superman level h2h speed/striking power. All these advantages you speak can easily be countered. Energy aborbtion is useless since his cells draw from the stars around him, red sunlight can be resisted and even k-nite to a lesser degree. The best part is that most of supes h2h blitz feats come during weakened states or after exposure to k-nite. BFR isnt viable, supes has resisted blackholes so its doubtful the forcful energy teleportaion will work.
Originally posted by fangirl101
It was a sun. Amazo moving at Superspeeds had to work at owning Superman with Red Sunight blast. And Even Then Superman was fighting it.
SS outputs enough power to casually destroy planets and cause black holes with his blasts. A red sunlight blast from him would > a red star easily, and be more concentrated.
Originally posted by Enyalus
SS outputs enough power to casually destroy planets and cause black holes with his blasts. A red sunlight blast from him would > a red star easily, and be more concentrated.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
[B]Surfer can make red sunlight.
How would he know to do this?
Surfer has the ability to drain yellow sunlight. Which has also worked on Superman.
Superman has drained the energy out of Rampage. Could he do the same to Surfer, who has likewise been drained of energy by Captain Reptyl's machines, Dampyre, Doctor Doom, Dr. Doom's Doombots, Dynamo City, The Mergence and others?
Surfer's raw power output is greater than Superman's. Surfer's physical and energy durability is superior to Superman's.
Surfer's physical and energy durability is superior to Superman's? That's a bit of a broad generalization, isn't it?
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Not when things like that are fairly commonplace in his history, no.
Not to say that Superman is necessarily MORE durable, and certainly Supes' skin tends to be easier to puncture, but...well, yeah. You get the idea.
Silver Surfer's senses are superior to Superman's.
Surfer's got great senses, but greater than Superman's? No. Silver Surfer SAYS he can hear something across galaxies, but Superman actually HAS (a whisper, from Kyle). They can both see across all spectrums, see souls, all that stuff. Pretty even, I'd say.
Silver Surfer's reaction speeds are faster than Superman's.
No. Surfer has no genuine displays of combat speed. Superman has many.
I agree that Surfer wins (6/10, for my money) but this across the board cockstroke of Surfer is not bakced up by facts, I think.
Originally posted by Enyalus
SS outputs enough power to casually destroy planets and cause black holes with his blasts. A red sunlight blast from him would > a red star easily, and be more concentrated.
Wasn't the entire blackhole argument alreayd debunked, besides thats a rather huge leap in assuming SS blast will equal a red sun...in fact its entirly basless.
