Superman vs Silver surfer

Originally posted by fangirl101
And the Uni-Lord is moving anywhere near as fast As Superman would be. Come now.

And Black Holes are not all the same. Some black holes are less powerful than a sun. And Black Hole's come from a chain reaction of events. It's not an amount of energy type event.

Prove Uni-Lord wasn't. Prove Superman is always going to use his superspeed or blitz right from the get go. Prove Surfer isn't going to be able to dodge it or put a force field up to stop it.

Moreover, look at the scan. The black hole was massive. And stop with your chain reaction crap. Do you know how a sun is powered? Nuclear fusion, a proton-proton reaction.

Originally posted by Desaad
2-3 upgrades?

The only upgrade he's gotten is becoming herald to Galactus again, which increased his power level.

He also got an upgrade during his battle with the Uni-Lord. Blackbody.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Debunked? What the hell are you smoking? Surfer did it on-panel and it's even confirmed by Thanos and Skreets.
Being powered by an anti-sun has nothing to do with tanking a galaxy busting blast.
Ganymede, Starfox, Fallen One. Gamora has never fought Thanos in a real fight.
Silver Surfer has better on-panel speed feats than Superman does. Although fewer in number, they are better. And regardless of his relatively superior combat speed, Surfer has only been overwhelmed once by super-speed. The Runner.
Surfer immediately saw Hulk was powered by gamma energy. He had no reason to focus on it. He just saw it. You know what he did? He just sucked it away. Surfer also saw Wonderman's ionic power and casually shifted his ionic phase.

Originally posted by Enyalus
400 million K? Get that crap out of here. The surface of the Sun is 5,780 K. Fact. Read Annihilation and you will see that, in fact, the Silver Surfer got pissed off, powered up (as opposed to holding back as he usually does), ended up destroying the planet AND causing a black hole, as confirmed by Thanos. The scans are in this thread and in Surfer's respect thread. The power to create a black hole >> the power output of a sun. The Human Torch's Nova Flame is 1,000,000 degrees, comparable to the sun. You're telling me The Silver Surfer, someone who makes Torch's power look like a joke, cannot?

You're being foolish, not me.

He does it in mid-battle, while taking and throwing punches, in his battle against the Uni-Lord. Scans are in this thread and in Surfer's respect thread. In fact, they're just a few pages back.

Could you point out what specifically you're referring to here? I don't see any such thing, and I've got the Uni-Lord issue in front of me, but maybe I'm missing it or we have different definitions of what I'm talking about (especially since at the time Surfer has control of the Black Body).

Originally posted by Desaad
How would he know to do this?

Superman has drained the energy out of Rampage. Could he do the same to Surfer, who has likewise been drained of energy by Captain Reptyl's machines, Dampyre, Doctor Doom, Dr. Doom's Doombots, Dynamo City, The Mergence and others?

Surfer's physical and energy durability is superior to Superman's? That's a bit of a broad generalization, isn't it?

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Silver%20Surfer/?action=view&current=FM_1981_014_04.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Silver%20Surfer/?action=view&current=FM_1981_014_05.jpg

Not when things like that are fairly commonplace in his history, no.

Not to say that Superman is necessarily MORE durable, and certainly Supes' skin tends to be easier to puncture, but...well, yeah. You get the idea.

Surfer's got great senses, but greater than Superman's? No. Silver Surfer SAYS he can hear something across galaxies, but Superman actually HAS (a whisper, from Kyle). They can both see across all spectrums, see souls, all that stuff. Pretty even, I'd say.

No. Surfer has no genuine displays of combat speed. Superman has many.

I agree that Surfer wins (6/10, for my money) but this across the board cockstroke of Surfer is not bakced up by facts, I think.

Can u show us the context of superman draining rampage? Cuz i know he aint no energy absorber and i highly suspect some context is being heavily ignored.

And really u bringing up a low feat from years ago to try discredit surfers durability just wont cut it. Surfer has FAR more high durability feats than low ones so i dont know what ur talkin about when u say they are fairly common place. Most of them even come from the period he was depowered on earth. Surfer does have the better durability feats. plus he has forcefields.

And what do u mean by silver surfer has no genuine displayys of combat speed? Ive posted scans of him blitzing multiple ships in this thread already.

Originally posted by Enyalus
400 million K? Get that crap out of here. The surface of the Sun is 5,780 K. Fact. Read Annihilation and you will see that, in fact, the Silver Surfer got pissed off, powered up (as opposed to holding back as he usually does), ended up destroying the planet AND causing a black hole, as confirmed by Thanos. The scans are in this thread and in Surfer's respect thread. The power to create a black hole >> the power output of a sun. The Human Torch's Nova Flame is 1,000,000 degrees, comparable to the sun. You're telling me The Silver Surfer, someone who makes Torch's power look like a joke, cannot?

You're being foolish, not me.

He does it in mid-battle, while taking and throwing punches, in his battle against the Uni-Lord. Scans are in this thread and in Surfer's respect thread. In fact, they're just a few pages back.

LMAO, so untill he actually create s sun why assume his blast =sun lol. The core of the sun is 15 milllion K..which is a fact. The hottest thing in our solar system is 400 k..fact. Supes HV is several times more potent then a sun. If we combine the acceleration speed of Supe HV with its energy potency...its a lot more then a mere planet friend.

Desaad, here you go:

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Surfer doesnt scan for weakneses?

He seems to be doing so here

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/silversurfer199612012wc8.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/silversurfer199612013xu7.jpg

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Originally posted by ultimatethor
Can u show us the context of superman draining rampage? Cuz i know he aint no energy absorber and i highly suspect some context is being heavily ignored.

And really u bringing up a low feat from years ago to try discredit surfers durability just wont cut it. Surfer has FAR more high durability feats than low ones so i dont know what ur talkin about when u say they are fairly common place. Most of them even come from the period he was depowered on earth. Surfer does have the better durability feats. plus he has forcefields.

And what do u mean by silver surfer has no genuine displayys of combat speed? Ive posted scans of him blitzing multiple ships in this thread already.

Ships lol...how about actual opponents there friend 🙂

Originally posted by Desaad
How would he know to do this?

Originally posted by Desaad
Superman has drained the energy out of Rampage. Could he do the same to Surfer, who has likewise been drained of energy by Captain Reptyl's machines, Dampyre, Doctor Doom, Dr. Doom's Doombots, Dynamo City, The Mergence and others?

Originally posted by Desaad
Surfer's physical and energy durability is superior to Superman's? That's a bit of a broad generalization, isn't it?

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Silver%20Surfer/?action=view&current=FM_1981_014_04.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Silver%20Surfer/?action=view&current=FM_1981_014_05.jpg

Not when things like that are fairly commonplace in his history, no.

Originally posted by Desaad
Not to say that Superman is necessarily MORE durable, and certainly Supes' skin tends to be easier to puncture, but...well, yeah. You get the idea.

Originally posted by Desaad
Surfer's got great senses, but greater than Superman's? No. Silver Surfer SAYS he can hear something across galaxies, but Superman actually HAS (a whisper, from Kyle). They can both see across all spectrums, see souls, all that stuff. Pretty even, I'd say.

Originally posted by Desaad
No. Surfer has no genuine displays of combat speed. Superman has many.

Originally posted by Desaad
I agree that Surfer wins (6/10, for my money) but this across the board cockstroke of Surfer is not bakced up by facts, I think.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
LMAO, so untill he actually create s sun why assume his blast =sun lol. The core of the sun is 15 milllion K..which is a fact. The hottest thing in our solar system is 400 k..fact. Supes HV is several times more potent then a sun. If we combine the acceleration speed of Supe HV with its energy potency...its a lot more then a mere planet friend.

400 million K? Really now? What is it? On panel Supes HV has been called hotter than the core of a star, true. Several times hotter? No, you need to prove that.

And acceleration speed has nothing to do with the power of Heat Vision. Kinetic Energy + Potential Energy = Realized Energy does not work. They don't stack/add up like that.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Being powered by an anti-sun has nothing to do with tanking a galaxy busting blast.

What? No, the Anti-Sunlight energy was going to go off in a blast that was going to destroy half the galaxy. That's what I'm talking about.

Ganymede, Starfox, Fallen One.

Ganymede has never demonstrated actual superspeed. No more than, say, Captain America or Batman has. Nor has Starfox. Nor has Fallen One.

Gamora has never fought Thanos in a real fight.

Sure she has. The fact that they didn't want to kill each other doesn't make it any less of a fight, as evidenced by Adam's comments to Drax (and the nose dislocation that preceded it).

Silver Surfer has better on-panel speed feats than Superman does. Although fewer in number, they are better.

Combat speed? No, he doesn't and they aren't.

Surfer doesn't actually HAVE any combat super speed feats to his name. Bullrushing or dodging some space ship lasers does not constitute combat superspeed.

And regardless of his relatively superior combat speed, Surfer has only been overwhelmed once by super-speed. The Runner.

Because he's only ever faced one Super Speester; The runner.

He's got a 0% success rate against foes with verfiable superspeed.

Surfer immediately saw Hulk was powered by gamma energy. He had no reason to focus on it. He just saw it.

Right, which is why I never said that he wouldn't know that Superman was powered by sun energy. I said he wouldn't know a specific weakness, like Kryptonite or red sun light.

Being powered by yellow sun energy would not immediately lead one to think of a weakness to red sunlight energy. In fact, that goes against ALL logic.

You know what he did? He just sucked it away.

Quite right.

One wonders why he didn't try to do the same against any of the countless other foes he faced with energy abilities, eh?

I suppose it's for the same reason that Superman has only done it to Rampage.

Surfer also saw Wonderman's ionic power and casually shifted his ionic phase.

That's very nice, but it in no way proves your initial supposition; that Surfer is going to somehow KNOW to implement Red Son energy.

Originally posted by Enyalus

He also got an upgrade during his battle with the Uni-Lord. Blackbody.

Haha, really? Thats what people are using these days? BLACKBODY?

I'll need to see some tangible evidence that it stayed with him when he left the other universe, that it gives him any actual power increase (since all it did before was allow him to absorb Uni-Lord's Souls, which would be the most useless power ever in a universe without unilord), etc?

Originally posted by Desaad
Well...not exactly.

Okay, he did create a Black Hole, but that's hardly a big deal in comics these days - Green Lanterns have sealed bigger black holes, equal sized black holes, they survive them pretty easily.

Originally posted by Desaad
Superman has multiple times survived a black hole, sealed something very akin to a black hole, and even held one in his hands (though the nature of containment there remains a point of contention).

Originally posted by Desaad
That said, we've seen that even a little (in the grand scheme of things) energy from the sun drove him to the bursting -- was more power than he could reasonably handle, driving him insane and deforming his body badly (this, by the way, was supposedly the only way that he might destroy a mere moon).

So it varies.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
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Ships lol...how about actual opponents there friend 🙂

Surfer blitzing multiple moving spaceships before they can react is all thats needed friend.

Originally posted by Desaad
Haha, really? Thats what people are using these days? BLACKBODY?

I'll need to see some tangible evidence that it stayed with him when he left the other universe, that it gives him any actual power increase (since all it did before was allow him to absorb Uni-Lord's Souls, which would be the most useless power ever in a universe without unilord), etc?

Right. It allows him to absorb much more energy than before...show me something that implies he gives it up. 😛

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Can u show us the context of superman draining rampage? Cuz i know he aint no energy absorber and i highly suspect some context is being heavily ignored.

I don't have any scans handy, if that's what you're asking, but go ahead and look it up; Rampage was a being powered by sun energy, he put her in a bear hug and absorbed that energy.

He did the same against the Anti-Sunlight energy of Mageddon which, if it was released, would have supposedly destroyed half a galaxy.

And really u bringing up a low feat from years ago to try discredit surfers durability just wont cut it. Surfer has FAR more high durability feats than low ones so i dont know what ur talkin about when u say they are fairly common place. Most of them even come from the period he was depowered on earth. Surfer does have the better durability feats. plus he has forcefields.

The surfer being 'depowered' on Earth is vastly overplayed, and is mostly a misconception due to Surfer's encounter with the government device that temporarily weakened him.

But yeah, I've got more such 'low showings', if you want.

And what do u mean by silver surfer has no genuine displayys of combat speed? Ive posted scans of him blitzing multiple ships in this thread already.

Dodging a bunch of laser beams is not superspeed. Captain America, Batman, Nightwing, Robin and others have all done so with comparable ease. Guys with jetpacks have done it in space, as have GL's that specifically reference just doing it through reflexes.

Originally posted by Enyalus
400 million K? Really now? What is it? On panel Supes HV has been called hotter than the core of a star, true. Several times hotter? No, you need to prove that.

And acceleration speed has nothing to do with the power of Heat Vision. Kinetic Energy + Potential Energy = Realized Energy does not work. They don't stack/add up like that.

DC experts could not caculate Supes HV, modern real world scientist which are not as advanced as DC scientist can caculate the hottest thing in our solar system at 400 K. The suns core is only 15 million K....so obviously Supes HV is several times more potent then a sun. Now if we take a energy with a potency greater then a sun and project it at high speeds...its gonna be massive.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
DC experts could not caculate Supes HV, modern real world scientist which are not as advanced as DC scientist can caculate the hottest thing in our solar system at 400 K. The suns core is only 15 million K....so obviously Supes HV is several times more potent then a sun. Now if we take a energy with a potency greater then a sun and project it at high speeds...its gonna be massive.

I'm going to assume you mean 400 million K even though you've posted "400 k" twice now. And I'll ask again - what in this solar system is 400 million K? And, the sun is a little over 13 million K, but hey, I'll let it slide...

Besides that, Surfer flies through suns on a regular basis and has survived supernovae with no problem.

Originally posted by Desaad
What? No, the Anti-Sunlight energy was going to go off in a blast that was going to destroy half the galaxy. That's what I'm talking about.

Originally posted by Desaad
Ganymede has never demonstrated actual superspeed. No more than, say, Captain America or Batman has. Nor has Starfox. Nor has Fallen One.

Originally posted by Desaad
Sure she has. The fact that they didn't want to kill each other doesn't make it any less of a fight, as evidenced by Adam's comments to Drax (and the nose dislocation that preceded it).

Originally posted by Desaad
Combat speed? No, he doesn't and they aren't.

Surfer doesn't actually HAVE any combat super speed feats to his name. Bullrushing or dodging some space ship lasers does not constitute combat superspeed.

Originally posted by Desaad
Because he's only ever faced one Super Speester; The runner.

He's got a 0% success rate against foes with verfiable superspeed.

Originally posted by Desaad
Right, which is why I never said that he wouldn't know that Superman was powered by sun energy. I said he wouldn't know a specific weakness, like Kryptonite or red sun light.

Being powered by yellow sun energy would not immediately lead one to think of a weakness to red sunlight energy. In fact, that goes against ALL logic.

Originally posted by Desaad
Quite right.

One wonders why he didn't try to do the same against any of the countless other foes he faced with energy abilities, eh?

I suppose it's for the same reason that Superman has only done it to Rampage.

Originally posted by Desaad
That's very nice, but it in no way proves your initial supposition; that Surfer is going to somehow KNOW to implement Red Son energy.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yes it is. And it has nothing to do with Superman tanking a galaxy busting blast.
Yes. She has.
If you're playfully sparring, that means you're not fighting. You're playfully sparring. And Gamora has destroyed a battalion that included tanks.
Yes he does. Lists have been made several times. Look in the Respect Thread.
Superman's combat speed is nowhere near Runner's combat speed. So any extrapolation is pointless and reaching.
I never mentioned kryptonite. Don't analogize the two. Kryptonite is from another universe. Surfer would not know about it per the common knowledge rule. Lois has written articles about Superman's powers. STAR Labs has published articles on him. It's been argued by people other than me that Surfer would know that yellow sun radiation powers him and red sun radiation depowers him. And regardless, Silver Surfer displayed an ability to know specifically tuned radiation would waylay Gladiator.
I can name you a dozen times Surfer has manipulated the energies of his foes. Good job trying to argue that sucking Rampage's energy once is comparable or tends to an argument that Superman could suck out the Power Cosmic from Surfer.
Already proven and you already concede that Superman's solar radiation can be sucked.

Originally posted by Desaad
I don't have any scans handy, if that's what you're asking, but go ahead and look it up; Rampage was a being powered by sun energy, he put her in a bear hug and absorbed that energy.

He did the same against the Anti-Sunlight energy of Mageddon which, if it was released, would have supposedly destroyed half a galaxy.

The surfer being 'depowered' on Earth is vastly overplayed, and is mostly a misconception due to Surfer's encounter with the government device that temporarily weakened him.

But yeah, I've got more such 'low showings', if you want.

Dodging a bunch of laser beams is not superspeed. Captain America, Batman, Nightwing, Robin and others have all done so with comparable ease. Guys with jetpacks have done it in space, as have GL's that specifically reference just doing it through reflexes.

Doesnt superman absorb sunlight? how in the world do u think that he will then be able to absorb surfer PC? U must be kidding me.

And no the surfer depowered on earth is NOT vastly overplayed. For one while he was depowered, he had some of the lowest showings in his history. He has since been portrayed as much much more powerful since then so using scans from that era is just not only foolish but irrelevant. I have almost all surfers comics so ive seen most of his low showings. But if u feel d need to bring up irrelevant scans that signify a weak arguement go right ahead.

And in that scan SS was NOT just dodging a bunch of laser beams, He specifically said that he needed to take out all those ships quickly and hence blitzed and destroyed them in one panel. Its very obvious if u actually read the scan.