Isn't Freeze Breath less combat effective than HV in this scenario? I doubt it travels at light speeds.
Granted HV is not Superman's ONLY ranged attack, but again, why would he use anything over his HV in a ranged combat scenario if he's fighting intelligently (especially a fight where there will be a lot of maneuvering around)?
Originally posted by Mindset
How cold is it?
Pretty cold. Combined with super-breath (if you want to differentiate), it's blocked heat vision and given both Parasite and Doomsday pause.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Isn't Freeze Breath less combat effective than HV in this scenario? I doubt it travels at light speeds.Granted HV is not Superman's ONLY ranged attack, but again, why would he use anything over his HV in a ranged combat scenario if he's fighting intelligently (especially a fight where there will be a lot of maneuvering around)?
He'd use both.
Originally posted by -Pr-
He'd use both.
I understand that he might TRY it in certain portions of this fight. But again, it'll be far less effective than the HV is vs the Surfer. I really don't see it helping him much as it cannot incapacitate the Surfer who can simply phase/matter manip/shatter/still fly away even while frozen or hurt him in any way (as the cold of space is another temp extreme that Surfer plays around in). That is if he even manages to tag the Surfer with it (as it prolly will be moving below light speed and doesn't have the range/accuracy of his HV).
Like I said, how will Freeze Breath really matter in regards to this fight?
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
I understand that he might TRY it in certain portions of this fight. But again, it'll be far less effective than the HV is vs the Surfer. I really don't see it helping him much as it cannot incapacitate the Surfer who can simply phase/matter manip/shatter/still fly away even while frozen or hurt him in any way (as the cold of space is another temp extreme that Surfer plays around in). That is if he even manages to tag the Surfer with it (as it prolly will be moving below light speed and doesn't have the range/accuracy of his HV).Like I said, how will Freeze Breath really matter in regards to this fight?
You really believe Surfer has ftl reflex speed? Or at least light speed reflexes?
His freeze breath has affected beings that live in space. I'm not saying it's going to win him the fight, but it's a useful tool nonetheless.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
No a Marvel writer confirmed that Surfer was never intended to have "super human rapidity" 😂
Actually, that was Thor. 😛 W/c THEN got pawned with a scan of Thor catching a tank shell bare-handed.
http://www.formspring.me/TomBrevoort/q/1851291780
http://s715.photobucket.com/albums/ww156/ankur2113/?action=view¤t=Thor-FirstThunder4009.jpg
W/c is basically why one really shouldn't use writer interviews as any kind of evidence.
Originally posted by -Pr-
You really believe Surfer has ftl reflex speed? Or at least light speed reflexes?His freeze breath has affected beings that live in space. I'm not saying it's going to win him the fight, but it's a useful tool nonetheless.
He has the feats to support it light speed reaction time at least. I don't know what the problem is about that. I know that's debatable, but that's neither here nor there.
The fight itself WILL be happening at FTL speed and Surfer will be bobbing and weaving at FTL speeds (something he does n comics a lot), I'm just saying by the time Superman attacks via Freeze Breath, the Surfer might have moved from the spot he was aiming for already. Not saying Supes won't be able to compensate, but the HV would be better suited at scoring hits as it travels much faster than the Freeze Breath (making it more accurate with regards to this fight) making the HV much more combat effective with regards to this fight.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210This makes sense.
He has the feats to support it light speed reaction time at least. I don't know what the problem is about that. I know that's debatable, but that's neither here nor there.
The fight itself WILL be happening at FTL speed and Surfer will be bobbing and weaving at FTL speeds (something he does n comics a lot),I'm just saying by the time Superman attacks via Freeze Breath, the Surfer might have moved from the spot he was aiming for already. Not saying Supes won't be able to compensate, but the HV would be better suited at scoring hits as it travels much faster than the Freeze Breath (making it more accurate with regards to this fight) making the HV much more combat effective with regards to this fight.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
This makes sense.
Well, how fast do you think it'll be happening?? 😛 Surfer has proven FTL travel speeds and have reacted within this
The Infinity Gauntlet showing where he tried (granted, he failed) to grab the gauntlet from Thanos happened at a much higher speed than light speed quantifiably shows that the Surfer can react WITHIN the speeds that he moves in.
Originally posted by Mindset
What's the temp inside a blackhole?
Some argue it's absolute zero, some argue it's as hot as hot can be (due to the compression of matter w/c in turn releases energy). I'm really not a physicist so I can only speculate. Lemme ask my friend (he dabbles in Theoretical Physics).
Originally posted by D_Dude1210Superman and Surfer aren't going to be fighting at FTL or light speeds. They may end up chasin each other at such speeds, but this isn't going to be a speedster fight. And nobody is outclassing the other in speed. That isn't what the fight is going to be about. My opinion.
Well, how fast do you think it'll be happening?? 😛 Surfer has proven FTL travel speeds and have reacted within thisThe Infinity Gauntlet showing where he tried (granted, he failed) to grab the gauntlet from Thanos happened at a much higher speed than light speed quantifiably shows that the Surfer can react WITHIN the speeds that he moves in.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Actually, that was Thor. 😛 W/c THEN got pawned with a scan of Thor catching a tank shell bare-handed.http://www.formspring.me/TomBrevoort/q/1851291780
http://s715.photobucket.com/albums/ww156/ankur2113/?action=view¤t=Thor-FirstThunder4009.jpg
W/c is basically why one really shouldn't use writer interviews as any kind of evidence.
😆 @ D_Dude1210's impressive comic knowledge.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
He has the feats to support it light speed reaction time at least. I don't know what the problem is about that. I know that's debatable, but that's neither here nor there.The fight itself WILL be happening at FTL speed and Surfer will be bobbing and weaving at FTL speeds (something he does n comics a lot), I'm just saying by the time Superman attacks via Freeze Breath, the Surfer might have moved from the spot he was aiming for already. Not saying Supes won't be able to compensate, but the HV would be better suited at scoring hits as it travels much faster than the Freeze Breath (making it more accurate with regards to this fight) making the HV much more combat effective with regards to this fight.
i honestly don't agree for the most part... shrug
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Superman and Surfer aren't going to be fighting at FTL or light speeds. They may end up chasin each other at such speeds, but this isn't going to be a speedster fight. And nobody is outclassing the other in speed. That isn't what the fight is going to be about. My opinion.
Well, you're right about that. IMO, Supes is obviously the faster in terms of reaction time, while the Surfer is obviously the faster in travel speed.
But both are able to keep up with the other, however.
My point was just that the Freeze Breath wouldn't be that combat effective at those speeds compared to HV.
