Superman vs Silver surfer

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Originally posted by One-Punch
When Surfer blasted Vision, that blast wasn't a regular concussive blast. It was a form of energy manipulation, hence why Vision had no physical damage, but was still disabled because his internal electric energies were out of whack. It demonstrates that Surfer can manipulate the energy of beings despite their intangibility.

All of the examples posted of Superman being intangible were against bricks. Superman phased through basic punches and concussive blasts. None of these bricks come close to matching Surfer in terms of energy manipulation and sheer versatility. Given that Surfer has demonstrated on panel that he can manipulate the energy of intangible beings, it's likely he can do the same to Superman. Unless, you have solid proof of Superman resisting his energy being manipulated while he's intangible.

Otherwise it's ludicrous to assume someone as versatile as Surfer who is an elite energy manipulator can never hit Superman, based off of a couple of intangibility showings against bricks. And if all fails, Surfer still has the option of attacking Superman's soul via astral form like he's done in In Thy Name.

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h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by One-Punch
When Surfer blasted Vision, that blast wasn't a regular concussive blast. It was a form of energy manipulation, hence why Vision had no physical damage, but was still disabled because his internal electric energies were out of whack. It demonstrates that Surfer can manipulate the energy of beings despite their intangibility.

All of the examples posted of Superman being intangible were against bricks. Superman phased through basic punches and concussive blasts. None of these bricks come close to matching Surfer in terms of energy manipulation and sheer versatility. Given that Surfer has demonstrated on panel that he can manipulate the energy of intangible beings, it's likely he can do the same to Superman. Unless, you have solid proof of Superman resisting his energy being manipulated while he's intangible.

Otherwise it's ludicrous to assume someone as versatile as Surfer who is an elite energy manipulator can never hit Superman, based off of a couple of intangibility showings against bricks. And if all fails, Surfer still has the option of attacking Superman's soul via astral form like he's done in In Thy Name.

Surfer targeted vision's electrical frequencies and disrupted them. Superman is not a robot and doesn't emit electrical frequencies. Without those frequencies we have no other proof that Surfer could have affected vision.

Even if Surfer could affect Superman in his intangible state then we don't know the magnitude of the effect. It could very well just tickle Superman. So all this talk of Surfer affecting intangible beings is moot.

Ambient MAJIN_OVERLORD

That was more of the result after being hit by PC, prior to that Vision was hit clearly while intangible.

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by Ambient
That was more of the result after being hit by PC, prior to that Vision was hit clearly while intangible.
The panel said that Surfer disrupted his electrical frequencies. He did absolutely no damage to visions body. It was these frequencies that were available to the Surfer. Surfer affected the frequencies which in turn affected vision.

Doesn't matter anyway since we don't know the magnitude of how Surfer can affect Superman. Surfer could probably only manage to tickle Superman at best. Also Superman uses speed to become intangible. This is different than how vision becomes intangible. That speed might make it impossible for any type of energy (traveling at only light speed) to touch him.

Ambient MAJIN_OVERLORD

Originally posted by h1a8
The panel said that Surfer disrupted his electrical frequencies. He did absolutely no damage to visions body. It was these frequencies that were available to the Surfer. Surfer affected the frequencies which in turn affected vision.

Doesn't matter anyway since we don't know the magnitude of how Surfer can affect Superman. Surfer could probably only manage to tickle Superman at best. Also Superman uses speed to become intangible. This is different than how vision becomes intangible. That speed might make it impossible for any type of energy (traveling at only light speed) to touch him.


How do u suppose one can disrupt EF when one can allow matter to pass through? Surfer needed first to somehow directly effect the phasing part aspect prior to technical solidity portion of that feat, which is the electrical frequency that runs through the androids body.

Aight! How about we flip it and answer this question, what makes you think that speed induce intangibility would work on energy blast? As far as we know it only allows solid matter to pass through..

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by Ambient
How do u suppose one can disrupt EF when one can allow matter to pass through? Surfer needed first to somehow directly effect the phasing part aspect prior to technical solidity portion of that feat, which is the electrical frequency that runs through the androids body.

Aight! How about we flip it and answer this question, what makes you think that speed induce intangibility would work on energy blast? As far as we know it only allows solid matter to pass through..

electrical frequencies is about charge. Charge can pass through matter, just like gravity can and it can be causated with.

On panel, Superman vibrated intangible through two energy beams. I posted a scan of this a few pages back.

The last argument (most people are ignoring and yet is the most important) is that we can only speculate the magnitude in which Surfer can affect Superman while he's intangible. At best Surfer could probably only manage to tickle Superman.

One-Punch B-Class Hero

It sounds like you're saying Superman's intangibility is greater than Visions, based off of a theory on electric charge that you've pulled out of your ass. Vision's intangibility is based on density/mass manipulation, not electric charge.

One-Punch B-Class Hero

Anyways, Superman's supposed "intangibility" isn't true intangibility like Vision or Manhunters. I mean, here we see Manhunter show Superman what true intangibility can accomplish:

If Superman had "functional intangibility" and could "never be hit" why couldn't he vibrate out of a simple table?

DarkSaint85 Bonified abstract

Originally posted by One-Punch
Anyways, Superman's supposed "intangibility" isn't true intangibility like Vision or Manhunters. I mean, here we see Manhunter show Superman what true intangibility can accomplish:

If Superman had "functional intangibility" and could "never be hit" why couldn't he vibrate out of a simple table?

Because he was still being attacked telepathically by Fernus....I mean, he can't even talk in that scan - let alone pull off speed tricks.

But just because he can't talk in that scan, does not mean we say he's unable to talk, right?

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by One-Punch
It sounds like you're saying Superman's intangibility is greater than Visions, based off of a theory on electric charge that you've pulled out of your ass. Vision's intangibility is based on density/mass manipulation, not electric charge.
Yet surfer ONLY affected his electrical frequencies, not his body directly. I'm not saying Superman's intangibility is greater but
1. That it is different than the vision's.
And
2. That Superman is far more durable than vision.

So it's possible that Superman could be at best tickled by Surfer while intangible (even if Surfer can affect him).

So even if I concede that Surfer can affect Superman then the point is moot.

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by One-Punch
Anyways, Superman's supposed "intangibility" isn't true intangibility like Vision or Manhunters. I mean, here we see Manhunter show Superman what true intangibility can accomplish:

If Superman had "functional intangibility" and could "never be hit" why couldn't he vibrate out of a simple table?

Vince, you are a great debater I admit. I swear that you are. But here I promise is a weak argument from you. We all know that all writer's don't write characters the same. Some writer's never portray Superman's speed (although he has that ability), Surfers eye blasts, Thor's ability to remote control Mjolnir for attack, etc. Characters aren't always written with rarely seen abilities. I bet some writers of Surfer didn't believe Surfer had shields (or purposely didn't want him to).

One-Punch B-Class Hero

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because he was still being attacked telepathically by Fernus....I mean, he can't even talk in that scan - let alone pull off speed tricks.

But just because he can't talk in that scan, does not mean we say he's unable to talk, right?


Proof that Fernus was still telepathically assaulting Superman?

According to Batman, Superman was in shock because chunks of the table were phased into Superman's flesh.

The pain and shock could be why Superman couldn't talk.

One-Punch B-Class Hero

Originally posted by h1a8
Yet surfer ONLY affected his electrical frequencies, not his body directly. I'm not saying Superman's intangibility is greater but
1. That it is different than the vision's.
And
2. That Superman is far more durable than vision.

So it's possible that Superman could be at best tickled by Surfer while intangible (even if Surfer can affect him).

So even if I concede that Surfer can affect Superman then the point is moot.


I have news for you h1, Vision's "electric frequencies" are a function of his body (he's an android). To affect them, Surfer has to affect Vision's body, which he did while Vision was intangible.

Not sure why you think Superman would only be "tickled" by Surfer. How much Surfer affects Superman obviously depends on how much power Surfer puts into his attack. And Surfer has a lot of power. To be more specific, Warrior One detected the energy of a star inside current Surfer.

carver9 Senior Member

Don't understand why people are debating against H1. Doesn't make any sense.

DarkSaint85 Bonified abstract

Originally posted by One-Punch
Proof that Fernus was still telepathically assaulting Superman?

According to Batman, Superman was in shock because chunks of the table were phased into Superman's flesh.

The pain and shock could be why Superman couldn't talk.

Could well be, that's very likely.

IOW, just because he's not doing it there does not mean he can't do it.

The Nuul Senior Member
Originally posted by carver9
Don't understand why people are debating against H1. Doesn't make any sense.

This thread needs to die.

Prof. T.C McAbe Kryptonian Scientist

Supermans intangibility is even better because it comes from speed, means he can let energy and physical attacks pass him by contrary to other phasing that just shifts the users to a differen't energy spectrum, that can be affected. If Superman would fight like he did in OWAW his comics would be short and boring. Only Cosmic threats would make sense and no one wants to see this.

-Pr- Hey Yo!

Superman couldn't phase out of the table because a) the plot, and b) he's just had the shit kicked out of him by Fernus.

Doesn't take away his ability to go intangible.

Not saying Surfer couldn't hit him though.

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Originally posted by carver9
Don't understand why people are debating against H1. Doesn't make any sense.

Irony coming from you.

StiltmanFTW CBvF

Originally posted by One-Punch
Proof that Fernus was still telepathically assaulting Superman?

According to Batman, Superman was in shock because chunks of the table were phased into Superman's flesh.

The pain and shock could be why Superman couldn't talk.

Lol, Superman owned by a table. And people laugh at Nur.