Originally posted by One-PunchSo when does a blast that hits you only disrupts your electrical frequencies but leave you unscathed? Apparently Vision's electrical frequencies were apart of him while in intangible mode and thus Surfer targeted his electrical frequencies and disrupted them. That's why vision was in agony. Messing with them will mess with him.
And in order to do that he needed to hit Vision with a blast, who was intangible when it happened, as seen on panel.
So from that scan do you think Surfer can affect any intangible being? Loki, Martian Manhunter, Dr. Strange, Superman, etc.?
Originally posted by h1a8
So when does a blast that hits you only disrupts your electrical frequencies but leave you unscathed? Apparently Vision's electrical frequencies were apart of him while in intangible mode and thus Surfer targeted his electrical frequencies and disrupted them. That's why vision was in agony. Messing with them will mess with him.So from that scan do you think Surfer can affect any intangible being? Loki, Martian Manhunter, Dr. Strange, Superman, etc.?
Vision was in the middle of being intangible when Surfer disrupted his electric energies via blast. It just demonstrates that Surfer can affect beings who are intangible. Not sure why something this simple is so hard for you to comprehend.
Originally posted by One-PunchBut Surfer targeted his electrical frequencies and not his other entity. I can see if that wasn't stated in the panel as a rationale of how Surfer managed to affect vision while being intangible, but it was. It was plot driven. Otherwise, why would the writer give us that information explaining how Surfer did it?
I don't see your point.Vision was in the middle of being intangible when Surfer disrupted his electric energies via blast. It just demonstrates that Surfer can affect beings who are intangible. Not sure why something this simple is so hard for you to comprehend.
Let's just use writer's intentions right now. Honestly, what do you think the writer was trying to convey?
Originally posted by h1a8
But Surfer targeted his electrical frequencies and not his other entity. I can see if that wasn't stated in the panel as a rationale of how Surfer managed to affect vision while being intangible, but it was. It was plot driven. Otherwise, why would the writer give us that information explaining how Surfer did it?Let's just use writer's intentions right now. Honestly, what do you think the writer was trying to convey?
It's called the Power Cosmic.
That's how Surfer affected Vision while he was intangible.
Originally posted by One-Punchlol.
It's called the Power Cosmic.That's how Surfer affected Vision while he was intangible.
For the sake of argument let's assume that Surfer can affect Superman while he's intangible. Then we would still be speculating on the magnitude of the effect. Maybe he can only affect him one way by tuning his blasts for Superman's specific intangibility. Meaning, red sun radiation wouldn't work, normal energy blasts wouldn't work, etc. Maybe that one way will only tickle Superman. Superman can also simply evade the blasts or become tangible (blasts were tuned for the intangible only). This is all speculation.
Originally posted by h1a8
lol.
The power cosmic allowed Surfer to affect those electrical frequencies per writer's intentions. I do not believe that Surfer could have affected him outside of that since an explanation was given. Also I don't believe that Surfer can affect any other intangible being. Not Loki, not Strange, etc.For the sake of argument let's assume that Surfer can affect Superman while he's intangible. Then we would still be speculating on the magnitude of the effect. Maybe he can only affect him one way by tuning his blasts for Superman's specific intangibility. Meaning, red sun radiation wouldn't work, normal energy blasts wouldn't work, etc. Maybe that one way will only tickle Superman. Superman can also simply evade the blasts or become tangible (blasts were tuned for the intangible only). This is all speculation.
There was an explanation for how Surfer affected Vision who was intangible.
Surfer said his "space-born powers" allowed him to do it on-panel (i.e., Power Cosmic).
Just because you don't like the scene doesn't give you the right to dismiss it.
Lol..
H1 you should know by now the power cosmic is a walking plot device. The same scan you're complaining about has Surfer disrupting Simon who was virtually intangible as well in that form. Frankly it wouldn't surprise me if he has the ability to affect Loki or Strange while intangible considering he's phukked with Odin's enchantment already. Give it up. You're reaching for any sort of technicality to discredit a valid example of Surfer affecting intangibles.
Originally posted by One-Punchyou basically ignored everything I said. I'll repeat.
There was an explanation for how Surfer affected Vision who was intangible.Surfer said his "space-born powers" allowed him to do it on-panel (i.e., Power Cosmic). I
Just because you don't like the scene doesn't give you the right to dismiss it.
The power cosmic allowed Surfer to affect those electrical frequencies per writer's intentions. That corresponds to your assertion. It doesn't dismiss nor contradict the panel.
Also you ignored my Concession and other argument. I'll repeat.
" For the sake of argument let's assume that Surfer can affect Superman while he's intangible. Then we would still be speculating on the magnitude of the effect. Maybe he can only affect him one way by tuning his blasts for Superman's specific intangibility. Meaning, red sun radiation wouldn't work, normal energy blasts wouldn't work, etc. Maybe that one way will only tickle Superman. Superman can also simply evade the blasts or become tangible (blasts were tuned for the intangible only). This is all speculation. "
In absolutely no way does the above arguments dismiss the panel as you suggest I did.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17Simon wasn't intangible. He is made of ionic energy and can casuate with the physical. I'm going by writer's intentions. Plus I have a good argument even if Surfer can affect Superman while intangible.
Lol..H1 you should know by now the power cosmic is a walking plot device. The same scan you're complaining about has Surfer disrupting Simon who was virtually intangible as well in that form. Frankly it wouldn't surprise me if he has the ability to affect Loki or Strange while intangible considering he's phukked with Odin's enchantment already. Give it up. You're reaching for any sort of technicality to discredit a valid example of Surfer affecting intangibles.
Originally posted by h1a8"I didn't like it; it didn't happen"
lol.
The power cosmic allowed Surfer to affect those electrical frequencies per writer's intentions. I do not believe that Surfer could have affected him outside of that since an explanation was given. Also I don't believe that Surfer can affect any other intangible being. Not Loki, not Strange, etc.For the sake of argument let's assume that Surfer can affect Superman while he's intangible. Then we would still be speculating on the magnitude of the effect. Maybe he can only affect him one way by tuning his blasts for Superman's specific intangibility. Meaning, red sun radiation wouldn't work, normal energy blasts wouldn't work, etc. Maybe that one way will only tickle Superman. Superman can also simply evade the blasts or become tangible (blasts were tuned for the intangible only). This is all speculation.
Originally posted by h1a8
Simon wasn't intangible. He is made of ionic energy and can casuate with the physical. I'm going by writer's intentions. Plus I have a good argument even if Surfer can affect Superman while intangible.
No you are not. You're not making any sense and Superman isn't intangible, he is moving at super speed.
Originally posted by carver9Superman uses speed to become intangible. It's how both matter and energy passes through him. It's the very definition of intangibility (not able to be touched physically).
No you are not. You're not making any sense and Superman isn't intangible, he is moving at super speed.
Tbh, it doesn't matter what you call it or how he achieves it. All that matters is that attacks can't touch him. Really carver9? This is common sense.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Unless Surfer matches the exact frequency at which Supes is vibrating, he's not affecting him physically,IMO. Call it superspeed or whatever you want, but its functional intangibility.
All of the examples posted of Superman being intangible were against bricks. Superman phased through basic punches and concussive blasts. None of these bricks come close to matching Surfer in terms of energy manipulation and sheer versatility. Given that Surfer has demonstrated on panel that he can manipulate the energy of intangible beings, it's likely he can do the same to Superman. Unless, you have solid proof of Superman resisting his energy being manipulated while he's intangible.
Otherwise it's ludicrous to assume someone as versatile as Surfer who is an elite energy manipulator can never hit Superman, based off of a couple of intangibility showings against bricks. And if all fails, Surfer still has the option of attacking Superman's soul via astral form like he's done in In Thy Name.