Originally posted by h1a8
electrical frequencies is about charge. Charge can pass through matter, just like gravity can and it can be causated with.On panel, Superman vibrated intangible through two energy beams. I posted a scan of this a few pages back.
The last argument (most people are ignoring and yet is the most important) is that we can only speculate the magnitude in which Surfer can affect Superman while he's intangible. At best Surfer could probably only manage to tickle Superman.
Yeah! Did not know that.
Tickle or what not it brings him out of phase, which is what the argument is all about, doubt Surfer side expects one shot hit coming out from Supe's intangibility mode.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Supermans intangibility is even better because it comes from speed, means he can let energy and physical attacks pass him by contrary to other phasing that just shifts the users to a differen't energy spectrum, that can be affected..
Originally posted by One-Punchno, Surfer only has to effect the frequencies in order to affect Vision.
I have news for you h1, Vision's "electric frequencies" are a function of his body (he's an android). To affect them, Surfer has to affect Vision's body, which he did while Vision was intangible.Not sure why you think Superman would only be "tickled" by Surfer. How much Surfer affects Superman obviously depends on how much power Surfer puts into his attack. And Surfer has a lot of power. To be more specific, Warrior One detected the energy of a star inside current Surfer.
Normal energy blasts will simply go through Superman. The blasts have to be different and in tune for Superman's specific intangibility (which is different than Visions). These blasts might be able to affect Superman, but we can only speculate to what extent. Remember we can't equate normal energy blasts with these type. Superman after all is far more durable than vision.
Originally posted by Ambientcept that Surfer only need to affect those frequencies to affect visions body. He doesn't have to affect his body directly.
Cept that Vision act of phasing is not achieve through manipulation of EF but rather the manipulation of his body's physical state, you know kinda similar way how Superman going intangible.Yeah! Did not know that.
we don't know if it will bring him out of phase enough to harm Superman. We are speculating about the magnitude of the effect solely off a single showing with vision in it. If we assume that Surfer can significantly harm Superman while he is intangible then we must assume he can do so to any comic character (Odin, Loki, mephisto, Martian Manhunt, etc). This is a no limit fallacy.Tickle or what not it brings him out of phase, which is what the argument is all about, doubt Surfer side expects one shot hit coming out from Supe's intangibility mode.
You know Vision phasing can also all do those; pass through energy attacks and the likes.
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I was just about to mention the soul thing. He also has his astral form, and has attacked astral beings who are intangible.
Originally posted by h1a8
cept that Surfer only need to affect those frequencies to affect visions body. He doesn't have to affect his body directly. we don't know if it will bring him out of phase enough to harm Superman. We are speculating about the magnitude of the effect solely off a single showing with vision in it. If we assume that Surfer can significantly harm Superman while he is intangible then we must assume he can do so to any comic character (Odin, Loki, mephisto, Martian Manhunt, etc). This is a no limit fallacy.
Claiming that nothing can hit Superman while he's intangible is a no-limits fallacy. You claim this based off a couple of showings against bricks. At least with Surfer, he's demonstrated he can hit intangible beings like Vision and attack souls + astral beings.
Vision's intangibility has phased through blasts and punches, but not Surfer's energy manipulation. Do you have proof that Superman's "intangibility" can phase through energy draining or manipulation from someone on par with Surfer?
Point is, Surfer is one of the most versatile high heralds. I would be shocked if he couldn't hit Superman.
Originally posted by h1a8
cept that Surfer only need to affect those frequencies to affect visions body. He doesn't have to affect his body directly. we don't know if it will bring him out of phase enough to harm Superman. We are speculating about the magnitude of the effect solely off a single showing with vision in it. If we assume that Surfer can significantly harm Superman while he is intangible then we must assume he can do so to any comic character (Odin, Loki, mephisto, Martian Manhunt, etc). This is a no limit fallacy.
It does not need to significantly harm Superman as I mentioned, it just need to take him out of phase mode.
Another example:
http://i.imgur.com/tTAaHla.jpg
Surfer couldn't destroy that monster physically. So he goes into astral form, and goes beyond "biology and bodies" and beyond the "material" and attacks its "spirit", killing it rather easily.
Spirits/souls are intangible too.
Originally posted by One-Punch
Another example:
http://i.imgur.com/tTAaHla.jpgSurfer couldn't destroy that monster physically. So he goes into astral form, and goes beyond "biology and bodies" and beyond the "material" and attacks its "spirit", killing it rather easily.
Spirits/souls are intangible too.
Originally posted by One-PunchI made no such claims.I claimed nothing physical can hit Superman. Now it's possible create something in comics that can effect intangible things.
^ 👆I was just about to mention the soul thing. He also has his astral form, and has attacked astral beings who are intangible.
You have it backwards.
Claiming that [b]nothing can hit Superman
while he's intangible is a no-limits fallacy. You claim this based off a couple of showings against bricks. At least with Surfer, he's demonstrated he can hit intangible beings like Vision and attack souls + astral beings.Vision's intangibility has phased through blasts and punches, but not Surfer's energy manipulation. Do you have proof that Superman's "intangibility" can phase through energy draining or manipulation from someone on par with Surfer?
Point is, Surfer is one of the most versatile high heralds. I would be shocked if he couldn't hit Superman. [/B]
Surfer affected electrical frequencies of vision. This is clear. Why keep arguing against that?
And why are you keep arguing that Surfer can affect Superman while intangible? That's not the argument anymore. The argument is to what magnitude can he do so?
Superman doesn't have to stay in intangible form. He needs to come out to attack.
Originally posted by AmbientWhy can magnetic fields (also intangible) trap charges?
If EF can pass through matter why is it trap inside Vision Body? 😗It does not need to significantly harm Superman as I mentioned, it just need to take him out of phase mode.
You mean make Superman tangible? That needs to be proven. It's speculation. That's the problem, without direct feats we are speculating. We can use deduction and also some strong forms of induction.
