Originally posted by supessucks
He doesn't have to take out the sun, genius. Surfer manipulates energy like telekinesis. He can take Superman's solar energy, making him weaker than Lois Lane.
If it were that simple...
I can go either way, but Superman has the edge because he's much smarter, has more experience and is a better fighter. Powers aren't everything. Silver Surfer isn't a fighter.
But the writers will decide who's the best, not us.
Superman is not a fighter. Batman is a fighter. Superman only has Superhuman abilities, namely flight, supersonic speed, strength, heat vision, and super breath. And if ANY superhero pulls abilities out of their ass, it's Superman. Just look at the early comics.
Did Surfer know that Hulk had Gamma radiation in him? No he didn't. However he tryed to drain his energy, and succeeded. And if you want to know what the writers think go to this site.
http://www.silver-surfer.us/Top10list/Top10List.htm
"VS. SUPERMAN: While Supes might land a couple of blows as the Surfer is trying to talk to him, our bald buddy Norrin could either hammer Supes into submission with the power cosmic or suck all the solar energy out of him with his energy manipulation powers."
Face it; any way you put it, Superman would lose.
SS cannot be physically harmed. Supes has no offense that can stop SS, SS is faster, and stronger, and more powerful.
This is what they call being "outclassed". I mean, all SS has to do is transmute someting into kryptonite and Supes is done. Gone. History.
I mean, super breath, heat vision, or super strength (where SS is probably stronger anyway) just don't cut it here...
Originally posted by who?-kid
Oh does he ? Well well, and how on Earth is Surfer supposed to know that Superman gets his powers from the sun ? Does he have "powered by the Sun" written on his cape ? No, let me think, Surfer will pull out a new ability out of his ass, he will feel "the molecular structure" of Superman and all that shit in half a second, and two seconds later, Superman is getting much weaker lol.If it were that simple...
I can go either way, but Superman has the edge because he's much smarter, has more experience and is a better fighter. Powers aren't everything. Silver Surfer isn't a fighter.
But the writers will decide who's the best, not us.
surfer as cosmic awareness, tahts why he knows.
Originally posted by supessucks
Superman is not a fighter. Batman is a fighter. Superman only has Superhuman abilities, namely flight, supersonic speed, strength, heat vision, and super breath. And if ANY superhero pulls abilities out of their ass, it's Superman. Just look at the early comics.Did Surfer know that Hulk had Gamma radiation in him? No he didn't. However he tryed to drain his energy, and succeeded. And if you want to know what the writers think go to this site.
http://www.silver-surfer.us/Top10list/Top10List.htm
"VS. SUPERMAN: While Supes might land a couple of blows as the Surfer is trying to talk to him, our bald buddy Norrin could either hammer Supes into submission with the power cosmic or suck all the solar energy out of him with his energy manipulation powers."
Face it; any way you put it, Superman would lose.
I just want to make sure nobody gets confused with your statement. That list was made by the writers and editors of the magazine "Wizard". The list was not made by writers that put out the actual comic books for Marvel or DC. Their opinions could be considered expert, considering their occupation is to write articles concerning comic books and they are by no means biased in any way, shape, or form. However, they are not the final say in these matters. I do think Surfer should win and the fight they depicted does sound accurate to me. But, Supessucks, I must ask. If you think Hulk can beat Wonder Woman and Superman, how can you stand by Wizard's list so adamantly? Is it because you are as biased against Superman as your name implies?
I said that Hulk could beat Superman or Wonder Woman. He could also lose to either. I do not believe that the Wizard's list is "the mandate of heaven." I simply stated that Surfer's power's far exceed superman's. That has nothing to do with my bias against superman. And yes I do have a bias against superman. However I will give the devil his due. Superman has incredible strength and speed, flight, and heat vision, and super breath. Norrin (SS) is faster than superman, slightly weaker, has much more power, (possessing the cosmic power, enabling him to rearrange matter on a molecular level and manipulate energy, including sunlight, the source of Superman's power.) Superman is outclassed in power, just as he would be if he faced the Phoenix (who has similar powers to surfer, plus telepathy, and telekinesis.) Superman just can't win this one.
well it seems most people agree Surfer can beat Superman. Which is highly possible but not inevitable. First off Surfer cannot flywithout his board so therefore takes away his speed. If you are gonna be fighting Superman you might not want to be on a surf board just a hunch. Strength goes to Superman. I know surfer is strong but not as strong as Superman. No argument there. Which brings me to the energy absorbting thing. Surfer cannot absorb the entire power of the sun. And if he can give me an issue # where he has displayed such power. Although there is the draing the solar energy deal. Well this can be argued two ways. While some people think that he can just aborb energy from a distance like he did with the Hulk while I believe he has to physically touch you to get it much like he did to GL in the crossover comic. Well Superman is fast enough to avoid Surfer attempt to drain him if he can drain him from a distance and if he has to touch you I think Superman would rip his arms off and beat him to death with them. Which brings me to durability. Surfer is not as durable as Thor or Hulk thats a fact. And well we all know that Superman knocked both of those guys out cold with one punch just like he could do to Surfer. Surfer has been knocked unconcious before and Superman has the power to do so. Summing it up I am not implying that Supes would win I am just saying that he very well could.