Superman vs Silver surfer

Okay, why do so many people believe Surfer will have a park in the walk when fighting Superman? Did we forget experience ? Brains ? Fighting abilities ? All this goes to Superman, end of story. Surfer has had a hard time when fighting Spider-Man, he won of course but it was a great fight. Does anybody think Superman will have the slightest problem with Spider-Man ? I doubt it.

Thanos almost beat him to death, once. I'm convinced Thanos can defeat Superman too, sure, but it will not be as easy as he did with Surfer. Thor defeated Surfer, and didn't Superman beat Thor ? Even Firelord, second rate herald, thrashed Surfer once.

Btw, I like Surfer more, but I think he's getting too much credit here. He doesn't use half the powers he has when he fights somebody.

For all these reasons I believe Superman has a good change of defeating Surfer. But vice versa also of course.

SS cannot be physically harmed. Supes has no offense that can stop SS, SS is faster, and stronger, and more powerful.

How can you say that SS can not be physically harmed when we have seen him physically harmed? How is silver surfer faster? How is he stronger? More powerful I guess because of the power cosmic but supes can take a lot. Supes moves faster than ive seen SS move on earth. If SS can drain Supes energy then he would win but im not even sure he could do that given how quick Supes is.

This is what they call being "outclassed". I mean, all SS has to do is transmute someting into kryptonite and Supes is done. Gone. History.

Sure....... ???

surfer is more durable then thor and hulk, someone said otherwise he´s wrong.

the fight with spiderman is a stupid one since marvel didn´t want to put the most famous character loosing like a bug.
superman winning thor was bad writing, and thor never beat surfer in a normal fight, there are always other stuff in comic.

saying that superman has more expirience, brains and fighting abbilities is dumb.

and the surfboard can attach to surfer´s feet, and he never had a problem fighting with it, actually he can use it as a weapon.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
well it seems most people agree Surfer can beat Superman. Which is highly possible but not inevitable. First off Surfer cannot flywithout his board so therefore takes away his speed. If you are gonna be fighting Superman you might not want to be on a surf board just a hunch. Strength goes to Superman. I know surfer is strong but not as strong as Superman. No argument there. Which brings me to the energy absorbting thing. Surfer cannot absorb the entire power of the sun. And if he can give me an issue # where he has displayed such power. Although there is the draing the solar energy deal. Well this can be argued two ways. While some people think that he can just aborb energy from a distance like he did with the Hulk while I believe he has to physically touch you to get it much like he did to GL in the crossover comic. Well Superman is fast enough to avoid Surfer attempt to drain him if he can drain him from a distance and if he has to touch you I think Superman would rip his arms off and beat him to death with them. Which brings me to durability. Surfer is not as durable as Thor or Hulk thats a fact. And well we all know that Superman knocked both of those guys out cold with one punch just like he could do to Surfer. Surfer has been knocked unconcious before and Superman has the power to do so. Summing it up I am not implying that Supes would win I am just saying that he very well could.

You are right, Surfer is not as strong as superman. However he is much more powerful, and the cosmic power augments his strength. He is also faster than Superman. He and his surfboard are utterly indestructable. Surfer is much more durable than Hulk or Thor, and Superman never knocked either of them out with one punch in a crossover. Surfer possesses all the powers of Galactus, devourer of Worlds. Surfer can detect energy from lightyears away, so he would have no problem taking Superman's solar energy. He could very well absorb the sun, however he has never done so because of the catastrophy it would cause. Even if Superman could avoid having Surfer take his energy initially, he could not avoid having his power stolen forever, and I doubt Superman would run around like a b**** for the entirety of the fight. Superman doesn't know Surfer, therefore he would never know that he could take his energy.

brilliant argument, Norrin. some people don't know when to admit defeat.

supessucks i agree with all you have said, except with surfer having all galactus powers, he doesn´t have all the power.

by the way jugg74 do not forget the matter manipulation powers the surfer has, he would never use this if he fough against supes, but he could turn him in toilet paper if he wanted it.

Originally posted by who?-kid
Okay, why do so many people believe Surfer will have a park in the walk when fighting Superman? Did we forget experience ? Brains ? Fighting abilities ? All this goes to Superman, end of story. Surfer has had a hard time when fighting Spider-Man, he won of course but it was a great fight. Does anybody think Superman will have the slightest problem with Spider-Man ? I doubt it.

Thanos almost beat him to death, once. I'm convinced Thanos can defeat Superman too, sure, but it will not be as easy as he did with Surfer. Thor defeated Surfer, and didn't Superman beat Thor ? Even Firelord, second rate herald, thrashed Surfer once.

Btw, I like Surfer more, but I think he's getting too much credit here. He doesn't use half the powers he has when he fights somebody.

For all these reasons I believe Superman has a good change of defeating Surfer. But vice versa also of course.

Experience ? Brains ? Fighting abilities? Did we forget that Surfer is the herald of Galactus who has helped him devour all life on countless planets?. You are bringing up stupid and non-concrete "advantages" Superman has. You are definatley the weakest link in this argument. You cannot prove that Superman has more experience, intellegence, or fighting ability than Surfer.

Well, most of the heralds are suppose to be a fraction of Galactus' power and as each of them are different, a representation of one or multiple forms. Silver Surfer could possibly play mind games with him by metamorphing himself too, but I do not know the accuracy of this illusion (not an idea of a fight, but it would be humorous for him turning into a Lois Lane).

I know I made a misnomer. He is endowed with the power "by" Galactus, not "of". No one is as powerful as Galactus, except for maybe the Phoenix Force. She devours stars not planets. Star>Planet

Matter Manipulation; another brilliant argument Norrin.

superman winning thor was bad writing, and thor never beat surfer in a normal fight, there are always other stuff in comic.

saying that superman has more expirience, brains and fighting abbilities is dumb.

and the surfboard can attach to surfer´s feet, and he never had a problem fighting with it, actually he can use it as a weapon.

I dont think Thor could beat Superman. The reason that I state this is because Supes is so much faster than him. Dont be so biased please.

Matter Manipulation

Do you have an example of him using that against someone?

superman goes down

Clickclick, I am not being biased. Superman is weak against magic (check any Superman site.) He has no resistance to magical attacks. If Thor struck Superman with Mjolnir (his hammer, that is magical in nature,) it would have the same effect of Thor hitting a normal mortal man with his hammer. Superman would be KO'd. Thor is a god. He has class 100 strength, superspeed, and can fly using Mjolnir. Let's not even get into what Thor's magic lightning would do to Superman.

(Please disregard my username, as I intend to change it. People misunderstand my meaning, and I understand why.)

To clickclick,

Matter manipulation is listed as one of his powers on every Silver Surfer profile. He used it against Mephisto, the Marvel version of Satan. Even if he didn't rearrange superman's molecules he could turn any nearby rocks into kryptonite. However he would not do this, as he does not know that Superman is weak against kryptonite.

Please don't be such a fanatic clickclick. Superman can lose, you know.

Why are people still arguing about this? Silver Surfer either absorbs the solar energy from Superman rendering him powerless or he hammers him into submission with super duper kamehamaha-like cosmic beam. Case closed.

See http://www.silver-surfer.us/Top10list/Top10list.htm for proof.

Hello again Draco. I don't know why I'm still arguing this point.

Superman is weak against magic (check any Superman site.) He has no resistance to magical attacks. If Thor struck Superman with Mjolnir (his hammer, that is magical in nature,) it would have the same effect of Thor hitting a normal mortal man with his hammer. Superman would be KO'd. Thor is a god. He has class 100 strength, superspeed, and can fly using Mjolnir. Let's not even get into what Thor's magic lightning would do to Superman.

I know his vunerability, hes still too fast for Thor though to hit if it were realistic.

Matter manipulation is listed as one of his powers on every Silver Surfer profile. He used it against Mephisto, the Marvel version of Satan. Even if he didn't rearrange superman's molecules he could turn any nearby rocks into kryptonite. However he would not do this, as he does not know that Superman is weak against kryptonite.

Please don't be such a fanatic clickclick. Superman can lose, you know.

Dont be silly. Go back earlier in the thread and you will see that I even picked SS to win. However when you really think about it, Supes might win based on his speed.

I think hed be too busy fighting anyway.

Surfer is just as fast as Superman, and faster than Superman on his surfboard.

Surfer is not too fast for thor to hit, as Thor possesses superspeed too. Thor is equally as strong as Superman, and a much better fighter than Superman is. All he does is battle giants and gods in valhalla. Superman is definately not faster than lightning, (lightning moves at the speed of light. Thor's lightning is also magic, as it comes from Mjolnir.) One lightning bolt equals goodnight Superman. With his weakness to magic, Superman would be no problem for Thor.

Superman's speed is certainly not enough to save him in this fight. Surfer has way too many abilities.

Invulnerability, Energy Conversion, Plasma Generation, Self Regeneration, Healing (himself or others,) Molecular Conversion, Energy Detection, True Flight (flying at the speed of light without his board,) Self Sustenance (He doesn't need to eat drink or even breath,) and Telepathy. I have not even named all of them.

His Surfboard cannot be detached from his feet while he rides it. It can travel by itself and heed's his command. It can make him immaterial.(Superman's Punches would go through him, causing no damage.)

There is no way in Hell that Superman can beat the Silver Surfer. Not with his speed, strength, flight, or heat vision. There is not a chance in Hell.

If you believe differently, you are in no doubt, a fanboy.