Superman vs Silver surfer

Originally posted by supessucks

It can make him immaterial.(Superman's Punches would go through him, causing no damage.)

actually he turns immaterial (with the surfboard) when he reaches warp speed, or light speed or whatever (flash can do it to), i´m just saying this to clarify that he cannot turn immaterial like martian manhunter or vision it his a speed related power, he can travel trough space at warp speed and pass trough planets, stars, comets etc.

Norrin,
His profile says he can become immaterial while riding the board. It doesn't say anything about warp speed. But perhaps you are right. Regardless, norrin can fly without the board. Superman does not stand a chance against Surfer. His speed is certainly not enough.

How the can you prove he can fly without his board? Have you read a Surfer comic? He said in one that he cannot fly. In once instance he was hanging off a cliff by his hands he had to call for his board to save his @ss. If he could fly why didnt he just fly.

"True Flight: [allows] Surfer to fly even without his board up to Class 3000 speeds in space and Shift Z max in atmospheres although [he]does so rarely." -excerpt from:
http://www.classicmarvel.com/cast/silversurfer.htm

This site is official work of Wizards of the Coast.

Name me an issue in which surfer flew with out his board.

Surfer is just as fast as Superman, and faster than Superman on his surfboard.

Surfer is not too fast for thor to hit, as Thor possesses superspeed too. Thor is equally as strong as Superman, and a much better fighter than Superman is. All he does is battle giants and gods in valhalla. Superman is definately not faster than lightning,

How is surfer just as fast as superman? Im talking about with his board, let alone without it. Surfer is fast in space but on earth I dont think hes shown to be as fast or faster than supes.

As to thor, Thor has above human speed but supes is still a good deal quicker. That quickness advantage, plus his other abilities and powered by that strength make a difference. As to whether or not Thor is as strong, not to my knowledge he isnt. As to whether or not he is faster than lightning, YOU ARE CORRECT. HE isnt faster than lightning but he doesnt need to be either.

Surfer cannot fly without his Surfboard. The site I provided a link for is inaccurate. The Marvel website says otherwise. However Surfer cannot be removed from the Surfboard. And clickclick, Superman could not (and probably would not) run from Surfer, he IS just as fast. He could absorb all the his energy, or blast him with power cosmic.

Like I said, when Thor hits Superman with Mjolnir's magic lightning, he will be finished.

Originally posted by supessucks
Surfer cannot fly without his Surfboard. The site I provided a link for is inaccurate. The Marvel website says otherwise. However Surfer cannot be removed from the Surfboard. And clickclick, Superman could not (and probably would not) run from Surfer, he IS just as fast. He could absorb all the his energy, or blast him with power cosmic.

Like I said, when Thor hits Superman with Mjolnir's magic lightning, he will be finished.

not really superman has taken shazams lightning.his been hurt by it but not to the point were it can realy

Magic Lighting. Thats classic. Anways Thor does not have superspeed whatsoever. The only reason his speed is rated so high is his ability to teleport to different areas via the mighty Mjolnir. In a actual fight Thor does not have superhuman speed just the abilty to transport to any area he wants. I have seen Surfer knocked off his board countless times. One of which was by Thor.

Are you saying that Thor's lightning is not magical? And Thor doesn't have superspeed? Just ask Marvel.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/index.htm

Go to Thor, and Abilities.

Teleportation and speed are not the same. If it were, Nightcrawler would have "level 7" speed.

Well nightcrawler cannot teleport across the Galaxy either now can he. Thor can. Does it say anywhere that Thor has superhuman speed on that Bio? Prabably not. Give me an example in a comic where Thor demonstrates superhuman speed. Thats all I ask.

Another example is Dr. Strange his abilty in speed is a 7. Does that mean that he can run or fly at speed of light. No it means that he can open up portals and be across the galaxy in half a second.

To Supessucks:

I thought you should know that the Marvel.com biographies has a LOT of bugs. (i.e. they gave Juggernaut level 6 (super-genius) intelligence)

I noticed, once I saw Thanos with level 2 strength. But if you revisit the site more than once (or twice), you will recognize the bugs. The real stats are consistent. Thor definitely has level 7 strength

I just looked Juggys Intelligence was a 2.

The site does have bugs, but you can get the true stat by reloading if you see something ridiculous.

The site sucks but it is reliably informative; these are the writers stats.

Thats why I use my trusty Marvel Encyclopedias for references on character stats.

And clickclick, Superman could not (and probably would not) run from Surfer, he IS just as fast. He could absorb all the his energy, or blast him with power cosmic.

Like I said, when Thor hits Superman with Mjolnir's magic lightning, he will be finished.

I didnt say he would run from Surfer, thats not winning. When has Surfer ever demonstrated that he was "just as fast" on the board on earth let alone without it. It takes time to absorb his energy and hed have trouble doing it when he has to deal with what SUPES is doing at a fast speed.

As to Thor's hammer, Mjolnir is magical but the lightning is still just lightning. Its just that Thor control's it. He wouldnt finished, someone already brought up Shazam.

Anyway, its still not as simple as lets hits supes with lightning when he is that fast.

And Thor doesn't have superspeed?

Thor has better than human speed but he doesnt have supes kinda speed. Seriously dont underrate this aspect, beyond the fact that Supes has a number of other attributes that I havent even really gotten into.

Click CLick Superman is faster than lighting. Thor would have to get lucky to even hit him with it. Im just curious, I know surfer can aborb solar energy I am just wondering how he would actually pull it off. Remember Superman is alot faster than Hulk.