Whats the point?

No he hasnt but its not realistic is it? Batman keeps making a fool out of you with prep you have superhuman intelligence and the fortress of solitude and you keep allowing Batman to outprep you? Looking at Supermans powerset he should never be outprepped by Bruce. If you can think faster you could think of loads of different things before your even attacked.

Just because Superman has a faster memory doesn't really mean anything, because that does not equal more experience in dealing with certain situations. Like I said, Superman mostly uses his powers in fights and doesn't rely on his brain as much as Batman does.Being a human, Batman needs to think ahead of his adversary because he can't just go and face guys like Superman head on. You seem to think that just because Superman can percieve and remember things faster than Batman means he is better with prep which is wrong.

Well how does Batman dodge Supermans punches without prep when Superman is shown to be clearly faster?

It depends on the conditions of their fight and such. Besides, Batman uses his brain to predict movements and such. Even so, Batman stated in of their encounters while he had a kryptonite ring that Batman can just squish him into the cement using his superspeed.

Is this some kind of a thread to demean Batman?

It most likely is.

Batman also has a huge advantage he constantly uses. Most criminals don't know he is a just a man. Most fear him for his reputation as something superhuman or demonic. Like, what has been said, you need to read the tower of Babel storyline and it will show you why Batman's on the team, or the time the white martians took down all the JLA except Batman and Batman still took them down ✅

Plus people tend to forget, Batman can be a nasty person. Whilst this sounds quaint or diluted, it means he will go for shots that will really hurt someone as opposed to just restraining them. Superman will tie someone up to stop them. Batman will break their arm and then tie them up ✅

or you can just acknowledge the fact that Batman is a high selling DC character and, for the most part, the JLA is composed of.... you guessed it, high selling DC characters. Whoever the writer is simply needs to come up with a reason why Batman would be useful when you have people like the Martian Manhunter (hyper intellegent, also a detective), Superman (incredibly intellegent, a reporter who knows... well, a lot), Steel (downright brilliant), the Flash (yet another member of law enforcement, who is literally capable of thinking of every possible scenario in nanoseconds)...

There's a reason why Batman in his own title is an entirely different character in JLA. in his own title, a small group of thugs can take him down. in JLA, he can defeat a small army of super fast, super strong, shape shifting telepaths. And why is that? Because there needs to be a reason to include one of your highest selling characters in your "super" team book.

Honestly, this thread is kinda acting like Batman's a real person.

supeman actually just patronizes batman into thinking he's smarter. but this is a guy who has a photographinc memnory and total recall, a guy who have visited dozens of alien worlds and been exposed to all thier sciences and medicine, a guy who can just go ask his "dad"(holographic Jor-el) to help him out if he gets stuck on a tough math problem😄 this is the same guy who told somebody that the reason he hasnt cured cancer is becuase humanity would expect too much from him, and worship him as a god and he doesnt want that.

as far as detecting...this guy is a walking talking forensic unit, sure bats might break out all his fancy gadgets, and deductive reasoning, but supes got him cold. its like that cosmic joke where all the higher ups played along with retconned beyonder to make him feel special😄

Originally posted by Juntai
That doesn't explain why he would be needed to fight Thanos with the infinity gauntlet.

Im not refering to fighting people who have powers that make them omnipotent. If you are going to use that example all the heroes could be redundant.

Originally posted by Juntai

The explanation doesn't cover what I was saying, and it was only one example of many across all comic platforms.

What other examples fighting the White Martians who have superhuman strength and speed. Batman was able to think of something that characters with superhuman intelligence coulndt think of. Lets face it hes only there for the sales. Realistically looking at his powereset people wouldnt even need his help.

Originally posted by Juntai
The truth is, it's a wonder why most of the JLA need the rest of the JLA at all.
Superman has comics were he does more before lunch than the JLA do in a 3 year arc.

All of them are Superpowerful and don't really need a group, when considering the BIG 7 at least.

Yeah because Superman woulndt need help fighting Darkseid.

Originally posted by Juntai

They come together because each respectively the very best. Batman is the very best representative of a human crimefighter, and his trackrecord proves it.

That changes the fact that Batmans redundant.

Originally posted by Juntai

And most of all, because of the sales of having the biggest names around all in one book. Having Batman in a book probably tripples it's market share.

Exactly. Apart from that it doesnt make any sense.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Just because Superman has a faster memory doesn't really mean anything, because that does not equal more experience in dealing with certain situations.

Sorry you still dont get it. Superhuman intellignce can compensate for experience and can become a form of pre-cognition. Its not just about memorising its about then evaluating and expanding on the information that is given. Superman could know more than Batman in much less time and do more with it, anything that Batman could think of Superman would think of

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

Like I said, Superman mostly uses his powers in fights and doesn't rely on his brain as much as Batman does.Being a human, Batman [b]needs to think ahead of his adversary because he can't just go and face guys like Superman head on. [/B]

I dunno man if you had superhuman intelligence and you kept getting your assed kicked by a peak human what would you do? Yeah thats right.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

You seem to think that just because Superman can percieve and remember things faster than Batman means he is better with prep which is wrong.

Hes not better with prep but he should be looking at Supermans powerset.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

It depends on the conditions of their fight and such.

Yeah prep.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

Besides, Batman uses his brain to predict movements and such. Even so,

Just because you can predict something doesnt mean your going to be fast enough to stop it from happening.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

Batman stated in of their encounters while he had a kryptonite ring that Batman can just squish him into the cement using his superspeed.

Soi what does that prove even with prep Superman could have stomped him.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

It most likely is.

Yeah? Well your wrong should I find the quote where I stated that Batman is my second favourite character after Captain America. Im just unbiased thats all.

Originally posted by willRules
Batman also has a huge advantage he constantly uses. Most criminals don't know he is a just a man. Most fear him for his reputation as something superhuman or demonic. Like, what has been said, you need to read the tower of Babel storyline and it will show you why Batman's on the team, or the time the white martians took down all the JLA except Batman and Batman still took them down ✅

Yes i heard about that you have memebers with superhuman intelligence but somehow Batman was able to figure out what they couldnt. Sounds like bad writing to me.

Originally posted by willRules

Plus people tend to forget, Batman can be a nasty person. Whilst this sounds quaint or diluted, it means he will go for shots that will really hurt someone as opposed to just restraining them. Superman will tie someone up to stop them. Batman will break their arm and then tie them up ✅

Yup but if you had superhuman intelligence and some peak human kept kicking your ass you'd do something about it.

Originally posted by tjcoady
or you can just acknowledge the fact that Batman is a high selling DC character and, for the most part, the JLA is composed of.... you guessed it, high selling DC characters. Whoever the writer is simply needs to come up with a reason why Batman would be useful when you have people like the Martian Manhunter (hyper intellegent, also a detective), Superman (incredibly intellegent, a reporter who knows... well, a lot), Steel (downright brilliant), the Flash (yet another member of law enforcement, who is literally capable of thinking of every possible scenario in nanoseconds)...

Originally posted by tjcoady

Honestly, this thread is kinda acting like Batman's a real person.

Yeah I know but its just not believable that Batman has any use. Comics are fiction but you want some realism. I like Batman but I think that it could be argued that maybe they should give him KKs powerset instead of giving him a jobber aura.

Originally posted by Alfheim

I dont even understand how Batman was able to go H2H with current KK without prep. Didnt KK punch a guy who weighed a hundred tons through a wall? So how does Batman block his punches without a protected suit? Even the current KK has shown he has much more skill than Batman how the hell did he manage to go H2H with him....prep or PIS?

In short Batman does not seem to be any KK or Mantis but some people on this forum seem to be portraying him like that it also seems to me realistcaly in Gotham Batman is king but soon as hes with the JLA theres no point in him being there.

He recognizes the martial arts. He spotted and analyze every move by KK. Any martial art master can detect and recognize any style of figthing. Plus, he has enhance his knowledge thanks to working with gods. He also learns from them.

Now your point of Batman in JLA. He brings the human factor where gods reign. Because of it we helps bring in characters like Ollie and Red Arrow into that team.

You know the concept of a human out smarting a powerful being is not something new. You can find it in nearly all mythologies. This is why the DC mythology out weights Marvel pound by pound.

This is obviously a spite thread but I feel good proving Batman haters wrong so I'll continue anyway 🙂

Sorry you still dont get it. Superhuman intellignce can compensate for experience and can become a form of pre-cognition. Its not just about memorising its about then evaluating and expanding on the information that is given. Superman could know more than Batman in much less time and do more with it, anything that Batman could think of Superman would think of

So you're practically repeating all that you've already said. I already pointed out why Superman isn't necesarilly Batman's superior despite being able to think and memorize faster. I'm not going to repeat it again just because you can't understand it.

I dunno man if you had superhuman intelligence and you kept getting your assed kicked by a peak human what would you do? Yeah thats right.

So this is your counter argument ?

Really, if you are incapable of responding intelligently don't respond at all because you're wasting both of our time.

Hes not better with prep but he should be looking at Supermans powerset.

Again .. is this supposed to be a counter-argument ?

Yeah prep.

😕

Who said anything about prep ?

Does the word "conditions" mean prep ?

Perhaps in your mind.

Just because you can predict something doesnt mean your going to be fast enough to stop it from happening.

It doesn't really take Einstein to know that.
But in case you haven't checked Batman is a master martial artist and has been working with Superman for a long time, knowing how he fights so combining this 2 it isn't really hard to understand certain things. Not to mention that it's not like Superman goes all out on Batman when they fight because if he would do so he would beat him.

Even when he was mind controlled Superman still didn't squish Batman despite the fact that Batman said he could do so.

Soi what does that prove even with prep Superman could have stomped him.

Too bad that in the instance I was talking about Batman didn't have prep

Yeah? Well your wrong should I find the quote where I stated that Batman is my second favourite character after Captain America. Im just unbiased thats all.

That's one of the most lame and old excuses on the net.

It's similar to

"DARKSIDE IS ONE OF MY FAV. CHARACTERS IN COMICS AND I HATE HULK FOR BEING SO STRONG BUT HE STILL SQUISHES DARKSEID EASILY !!!"

Don't buy it.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
He recognizes the martial arts. He spotted and analyze every move by KK. Any martial art master can detect and recognize any style of figthing. Plus, he has enhance his knowledge thanks to working with gods. He also learns from them.

Thats not a realistic explanation. Can Batman send somebody who weighs 100 tons through a walll? Can Batman use his technique to put billions of tons of snow in the air because if he cant its still PIS or prep. Even if he has learned from Gods his feats are not as good as KK and therefore should not be blocking his punches, if he can block KK he should be able to block Superman.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf

Now your point of Batman in JLA. He brings the human factor where gods reign. Because of it we helps bring in characters like Ollie and Red Arrow into that team.

You know the concept of a human out smarting a powerful being is not something new. You can find it in nearly all mythologies. This is why the DC mythology out weights Marvel pound by pound.

Yeah im aware of that but thats why we have PIS on this forum its to try and have realistic debates.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
This is obviously a spite thread but I feel good proving Batman haters wrong so I'll continue anyway 🙂

Originally posted by Alfheim
My fav character is actually Captain America but close behind is Bats. I kinda see Bats as somone on Caps level physically with gadgets.

I do however belive that Bats is probably the best comic character ever made there is alot of depth to him.

I could go on forever, of course the main inspiring thing about Batman is that he is human

😐 Are you finished.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

So you're practically repeating all that you've already said. I already pointed out why Superman isn't necesarilly Batman's superior despite being able to think and memorize faster. I'm not going to repeat it again just because you can't understand it.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

So this is your counter argument ?

Really, if you are incapable of responding intelligently don't respond at all because you're wasting both of our time.

Again .. is this supposed to be a counter-argument ?

😕

Who said anything about prep ?

Does the word "conditions" mean prep ?

Perhaps in your mind.

It doesn't really take Einstein to know that.
But in case you haven't checked Batman is a master martial artist and has been working with Superman for a long time, knowing how he fights so combining this 2 it isn't really hard to understand certain things. Not to mention that it's not like Superman goes all out on Batman when they fight because if he would do so he would beat him.

Even when he was mind controlled Superman still didn't squish Batman despite the fact that Batman said he could do so.

Too bad that in the instance I was talking about Batman didn't have prep

That's one of the most lame and old excuses on the net.

It's similar to

"DARKSIDE IS ONE OF MY FAV. CHARACTERS IN COMICS AND I HATE HULK FOR BEING SO STRONG BUT HE STILL SQUISHES DARKSEID EASILY !!!"

Don't buy it.

Dont think im going to bother with the rest because I can see where this is heading. Just one question using a kryponite ring isnt prep? Where did he get the ring, why did he have it on him....I could be wrong but it looks like prep to me.

no expression Are you finished.

Really now, it's pretty obvious that this is a spite thread.

Dont think im going to bother with the rest because I can see where this is heading. Just one question using a kryponite ring isnt prep? Where did he get the ring, why did he have it on him....I could be wrong but it looks like prep to me.

Since he didn't actually plan to fight Superman, no, not really.

the ONLY reason Batman is on the JLA is so they have a grouchy emo dude around to b1tch everyone

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Really now, it's pretty obvious that this is a spite thread.

Argumentative **** alert! Argumentative **** alert! I just put the quote down that shows that hes one of my favourite characters and he still thinks its a spite thread!

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

Since he didn't actually plan to fight Superman, no, not really.

Yeah he just happened to have a kryponite ring on him. I dunno maybe Batman forsaw the possibility that at some point in the future they might fight. Hey I thought one of Batmans principles is always be prepared. Hell in the Dark Knight Returns he states he was planning to fight superman.

Argumentative **** alert! Argumentative **** alert!

😑

Yeah he just happened to have a kryponite ring on him. I dunno maybe Batman forsaw the possibility that at some point in the future they might fight. Hey I thought one of Batmans principles is always be prepared. Hell in the Dark Knight Returns he states he was planning to fight superman.

So you consider Batman's utility belt as being prep time ?

Or him being taken by surprise by Superman count as prep ?

😬

I should stop this discussion right now .

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

I should stop this discussion right now .

Yeah. Goodbye.

What an original bitch-fest. 🙄.

Originally posted by Alfheim
How does Batman manage to be on another level when Superman has superhuman intelligence and kryptonian tech....it doesnt make any sense.

Juntai's answer should explain why Bats is in another level than Supes, intelligence wise.

Originally posted by Juntai
It's not Batmans pure intelligence that he's on the JLA, he gives the gods a real human perspective.
It's also his deductive abilities they cherish most.
You can be intelligent all you want, but Batman understands the criminal more than anyone, even the criminals.

Originally posted by Soljer
What an original bi[b]tch-fest. 🙄. [/B]

Typical Soljer. Suddenly forgets all the times hes bitched on this forum then wants to criticise other people...incredible. I wanna be perfect just like him.

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Juntai's answer should explain why Bats is in another level than Supes, intelligence wise.

No it doesnt. 😐

Originally posted by Alfheim

Sorry you still dont get it. Superhuman intellignce can compensate for experience and can become a form of pre-cognition. Its not just about memorising its about then evaluating and expanding on the information that is given. Superman could know more than Batman in much less time and do more with it, anything that Batman could think of Superman would think of

Originally posted by tjcoady
the Flash (yet another member of law enforcement, who is literally capable of thinking of every possible scenario in nanoseconds)...

Originally posted by Alfheim
Typical Soljer. Suddenly forgets all the times hes bitched on this forum then wants to criticise other people...incredible. I wanna be perfect just like him.

Nah. It'd just be nice if you came up with something new to whine and moan about rather than rehashing something that's been brought up a hundred times this past year alone.

Originally posted by Soljer
Nah. It'd just be nice if you came up with something new to whine and moan about rather than rehashing something that's been brought up a hundred times this past year alone.

Goodbye Soljer. Dont like, it dont comment. 😐

Unfortunately for you, my friend, that's not quite the way freedom of speech works.

In fact, we're encouraged to comment on what we don't like. Dissenters are often branded as heroes in history.