Originally posted by Soljer
What an original bi[b]tch-fest. 🙄. [/B]
Originally posted by Soljer
What an original bi[b]tch-fest. 🙄. [/B]
Originally posted by Soljer
What an original bi[b]tch-fest. 🙄. [/B]
Originally posted by Soljer
What an original bi[b]tch-fest. 🙄. [/B]
Originally posted by Soljer
What an original bi[b]tch-fest. 🙄. [/B]
Originally posted by willRules
Or Maybe Batman's really that good. I mean he's no Captain America 🙄 But he's good enough to be on the top DC super team regardless of your feelings on it :yes
Not with people who greatly outpower him.
Originally posted by willRules
Plus have you even read Tower of Babel? You are pretty quick to call the storyline bad writing but not read it 🙄 sounds a bit bias to me ✅
No I havent but thats why I stated at the beginning that im not an expert and used words such as "correct me if im wrong"....now I will try and read it eventually but this is a discussion thread and I cant see logically how he can fit in that world. So my stance is cant say for sure until I read it but im skeptical. Also im not baised Batmans my second favourite character I even put down quotes for crying out loud.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Nitpicker...nvm.
I dunno man I thought I made clear and concise points I made the effort but im getting "Nitpicker" as a response. Well you could actually make an effort and respond to my post...or not its up to you. *shrug*
Originally posted by willRules
I mean if you want to argue this about Batman, why not argue this about every JLA member who isn't superman?
What like Flash who has comparable speed and intelligence. Or Martian Manhunter? My point is looking at Batmans powerset there are other superheroes who have what he has and more and looking at his powerset he seems more useful than he actually should be.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Deep Blue can process millions of scenarios a second in chess, but it's still only about as good as our best grandmasters, and was inferior to them until recently.
This is my point. If somebody can process millions of scenarios in a second dont you think he should be much superior to a chess grandmaster?
Originally posted by Juntai
You clearly made this thread to demean Batman and/or Superman and just to argue pointlessly. I can't really see a shred of relivence in anything you've posted here, but showed you know nothing about any of the characters involved in the discussion and just made this to bait people into your bullshit.
Right heres what I want you to do for me. This is what I think, I think you have a problem not me. I think debating with you is going to be a complete waste of time, the reason being that you have obvoulsy decided that everything I say doesnt make any sense not because it doesnt because you dont want it to make any sense. So explain these two points.
1. Why am I trying to bait people and spite Batman when I have already stated and shown the quotes that Batman is my second favourite character? I also post in the Batman forum and not to demean the character. Heres two possibilities.
a) Im lying.
OR
b) Im actually telling the truth. I like Batman and as stated earlier I like Batman comics but it doesnt make sense him being in this setting. Evidence: My quote and posts in Batman forum.
2. Please explain clearly concisley how you came to the conclusion im trying to demean Superman when im talking about how superior he is. Thats makes no sense at all and your telling me im talking bullshit.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Not with people who greatly outpower him.No I havent but thats why I stated at the beginning that im not an expert and used words such as "correct me if im wrong"....now I will try and read it eventually but this is a discussion thread and I cant see logically how he can fit in that world. So my stance is cant say for sure until I read it but im skeptical. Also im not baised Batmans my second favourite character I even put down quotes for crying out loud.
I dunno man I thought I made clear and concise points I made the effort but im getting "Nitpicker" as a response. Well you could actually make an effort and respond to my post...or not its up to you. *shrug*
What like Flash who has comparable speed and intelligence. Or Martian Manhunter? My point is looking at Batmans powerset there are other superheroes who have what he has and more and looking at his powerset he seems more useful than he actually should be.
This is my point. If somebody can process millions of scenarios in a second dont you think he should be much superior to a chess grandmaster?
Right heres what I want you to do for me. This is what I think, I think you have a problem not me. I think debating with you is going to be a complete waste of time, the reason being that you have obvoulsy decided that everything I say doesnt make any sense not because it doesnt because you dont want it to make any sense. So explain these two points.
1. Why am I trying to bait people and spite Batman when I have already stated and shown the quotes that Batman is my second favourite character? I also post in the Batman forum and not to demean the character. Heres two possibilities.
a) Im lying.
OR
b) Im actually telling the truth. I like Batman and as stated earlier I like Batman comics but it doesnt make sense him being in this setting. Evidence: My quote and posts in Batman forum.
2. Please explain clearly concisley how you came to the conclusion im trying to demean Superman when im talking about how superior he is. Thats makes no sense at all and your telling me im talking bullshit.
Yes because Captain America is so useful.
Well, you're SAYING you like the Batman character, and he's your second favorite, but you still haven't mentioned what storylines you're talking about when Batman kicks Superman's ass.
You didn't realise the fact that Batman has always carried the kryptonite ring, and it's not a prep situation as you surmised.
You've flat out mentioned not even reading over key storylines that show Batman's importance to the team, which is the topic at hand.
It's becoming increasingly clear that you probably don't read Batman or JLA at all. Which makes me feel you aren't really at liberty to decide if he's worthy of the team, because you don't understand the contributions he makes/has made.
That, and your thread and debate have progessed nowhere, because you don't have a real point. You're just baiting people in here to argue your bullshit, so you have something to talk about with no real points or relivence to bring to the table, because you don't know the stories or the characters.
Originally posted by Switch 07
Yes because Captain America is so useful.
Originally posted by Alfheim
People like Cap can take on bricks, even if he cant KO them he can dodge their blows distract the opponent and leave the brick open so somebody like Thor can take him out. Why do the JLA need Batman anyway?
Plus hes useful because of his startegy. From what I can remember Cap was the strategist in the Avengers and did not have people who could think as fast as Superman and Flash on the rooster...this may have change on ocassion but not as far as I know. Cap can be very useful when fightiung superhuman, but it seems when Batman was fighting the white martians he was phgysically outclassed and manged to think of things that other people could have thought of iMO.
Other people might have been able to think of the methods he used to take them out, but Batman was the only one who after his short time knowing about them, realised what he was really fighting and was able to capitolize on it. The others were already taken out by this time. Once agian, you not knowing the story at hand, otherwise you would have known that..
Like I said, all you've shown in this thread is complete ignorance about the Justice League, Superman and especially Batman and the roles he plays on the team. People have been pointing you to stories for the how and the why, and examples and everything, but you've obviously not read them previously, or even taken the initiative to learn what the hell you're talking about. You're speaking from a perspective of complete ignorance.
And you won't be convicing anyone Batman is your second favorite character, when you haven't read his comics, or the multitude JLA comics that highlight his importance to the team.
Originally posted by Juntai
Well, you're SAYING you like the Batman character, and he's your second favorite,
Well ok if I was going to provide evidence that I actually wasnt trying to bait Batman what evidence could I use? Dont you think that maybe a quote where I state in black and white could be considered to be a good piece of evidence? Now lets turn this around if you quoted where you said in black and white that Batman was your second favourite character and people kept saying your trying to demean the character? how would you feel? Would you feel maybe perhaps that nobody is going to actually listen to anything you say regardless of what you do?
Originally posted by Juntai
but you still haven't mentioned what storylines you're talking about when Batman kicks Superman's ass.
You didn't realise the fact that Batman has always carried the kryptonite ring, and it's not a prep situation as you surmised.
You've flat out mentioned not even reading over key storylines that show Batman's importance to the team, which is the topic at hand.
It's becoming increasingly clear that you probably don't read Batman or JLA at all. Which makes me feel you aren't really at liberty to decide if he's worthy of the team, because you don't understand the contributions he makes/has made.
That, and your thread and debate have progessed nowhere, because you don't have a real point. You're just baiting people in here to argue your bullshit, so you have something to talk about with no real points or relivence to bring to the table, because you don't know the stories or the characters.
I'll respond to this when you explain how you came to the conclusion that im trying to demean Supermans characters when im stating hes is superior to Batman in every way.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Plus hes useful because of his startegy. From what I can remember Cap was the strategist in the Avengers and did not have people who could think as fast as Superman and Flash on the rooster...this may have change on ocassion but not as far as I know. Cap can be very useful when fightiung superhuman, but it seems when Batman was fighting the white martians he was phgysically outclassed and manged to think of things that other people could have thought of iMO.
Yeah and Batman was in the first book when they faced The Avengers villain.
Superman may be smart but he doesn't use it.
I am pretty smart but never use it, thats why on teams or something like that decides and thinks of strategies.
Quit your bitching. He has his importance.
Originally posted by AlfheimI won't be trailing off on a tangent needlessly to support your need to argue bullshit endlessly. It's clear you don't read Batman or JLA, leaving you in little to no position to debate here. Which is why most of your posts in this thread are full of shit. People have given explanations, details and storylines that highlight exactly the topic of this thread, [which you've ignored. Because you haven't read them.] while you've done nothing but tip-toe around the topics trying to get people to argue with you.
I'll respond to this when you explain how you came to the conclusion that im trying to demean Supermans characters when im stating hes is superior to Batman in every way.
That is all.
Originally posted by JuntaiMost? Understatement. 😊
I won't be trailing off on a tangent needlessly to support your need to argue bullshit endlessly. It's clear you don't read Batman or JLA, leaving you in little to no position to debate here. Which is why most of your posts in this thread are full of shit. People have given explanations, details and storylines while you've done nothing but tip-toe around the topics.That is all.
Originally posted by Juntai
I won't be trailing off on a tangent needlessly to support your need to argue bullshit endlessly. It's clear you don't read Batman or JLA, leaving you in little to no position to debate here. Which is why most of your posts in this thread are full of shit. People have given explanations, details and storylines that highlight exactly the topic of this thread, [which you've ignored. Because you haven't read them.] while you've done nothing but tip-toe around the topics.That is all.
Thats not true. I stated from the beginning im not an expert on DC. I also stated that im open minded and I cant say for sure until I read the issues.
Regardless of wether ive read the issue or not I can use common sense to apply that characters like Superman and Flash would make Batman redundant.
What about this poster hes read JLA. Why isnt he full of shit as well?
Originally posted by tjcoady
or you can just acknowledge the fact that Batman is a high selling DC character and, for the most part, the JLA is composed of.... you guessed it, high selling DC characters. Whoever the writer is simply needs to come up with a reason why Batman would be useful when you have people like the Martian Manhunter (hyper intellegent, also a detective), Superman (incredibly intellegent, a reporter who knows... well, a lot), Steel (downright brilliant), the Flash (yet another member of law enforcement, who is literally capable of thinking of every possible scenario in nanoseconds)...
Common sense dictates that if you have characters that have superhuman intelligence aand superhuman stats they make a peak human character redundant.
Telling me that im trying to deman Batmn clearly shows you just want to insult me when ive provided evidence, that was completely unjustified.
Furthermore if your going to actually tell me that im trying to demean Superman what this proves is that you dont even know when you are being illogical therefore you have no business telling me that.
Ive said Superman is superior to Batman in every way therefore im trying to demean Superman.....and then you want to talk about me.
Originally posted by AlfheimBla bla bla. Tangents and bullshit.
Thats not true. I stated from the beginning im not an expert on DC. I also stated that im open minded and I cant say for sure until I read the issues.Regardless of wether ive read the issue or not I can use common sense to apply that characters like Superman and Flash would make Batman redundant.
What about this poster hes read JLA. Why isnt he full of shit as well?
Common sense dictates that if you have characters that have superhuman intelligence aand superhuman stats they make a peak human character redundant.
Telling me that im trying to deman Batmn clearly shows you just want to insult me when ive provided evidence, that was completely unjustified.
Furthermore if your going to actually tell me that im trying to demean Superman what this proves is that you dont even know when you are being illogical therefore you have no business telling me that.
You're right, you aren't an expert, because you don't read any of the material.
He's not full of shit, because he didn't say why Batman was redudant, he told you why he isn't. Because the writer often creates situations specifically to make Batman as useful to the plot as any other character. I guess you missed that part.
I already told you I'm not sure where you're going, or what your point is.
Originally posted by Juntai
I guess the thread is aptly named however, "What's the point?" because you don't seem to have one.
Originally posted by Juntai
Bla bla bla. Tangents and bullshit.You're right, you aren't an expert, because you don't read any of the material.
I have quite a few Batman comics actually and some with Superman in them clearly showing that Superman is far superior to Bats. 😐
Originally posted by Juntai
He's not full of shit, because he didn't say why Batman was redudant, he told you why he isn't. Because the writer often creates situations specifically to make Batman as useful to the plot as any other character. I guess you missed that part.
Er no I think you mised the point. The reason why hes useful is because of the writers...otherise he wouldnt be. You said it yourself the writers CREATE situations. 😐
Originally posted by AlfheimWriters create everything in comics books. Like people have pointed out, you could make the same point for nearly anyone on the team. What's the point of Flash, when Superman can go fast too? Or Wonder Woman, when Superman can do all of her abilities at a higher level, plus some? Writers have make EVERY Member of a team useful. This isn't a crutch for Batman. The stories prove his usefullness, and you're still full of shit, now get off of it.
I have quite a few Batman comics actually and some with Superman in them clearly showing that Superman is far superior to Bats. 😐Er no I think you mised the point. The reason why hes useful is because of the writers...otherise he wouldnt be. You said it yourself the writers CREATE situations. 😐
Originally posted by Juntai
Writers create everything in comics books. Like people have pointed out, you could make the same point for nearly anyone on the team. What's the point of Flash, when Superman can go fast too?
Right so there arent any supervillains that could give Superman trouble where he might needs Flash's help. Yeah im sure there are. Furthermore when fighting a supervillain with Supemans stats and intellignece what use would Batman be? I would ask Flash for help MM.
Originally posted by Juntai
Or Wonder Woman, when Superman can do all of her abilities at a higher level, plus some? Writers have make EVERY Member of a team useful. This isn't a crutch for Batman. The stories prove his usefullness, and you're still full of shit, now get off of it.
That still partially proves my point. Lets put it this way there may be some situations where he might be useful but looking at the powerset of some superheroes Batman would probably not be used as often as he is. Why use Bats when you have oher members who can do whet he can do and more.
Originally posted by Alfheim😆 😆
Right so there arent any supervillains that could give Superman trouble where he might needs Flash's help. Yeah im sure there are. Furthermore when fighting a supervillain with Supemans stats and intellignece what use would Batman be? I would ask Flash for help MM.That still partially proves my point. Lets put it this way there may be some situations where he might be useful but looking at the powerset of some superheroes Batman would probably not be used as often as he is. Why use Bats when you have oher members who can do whet he can do and more.