Originally posted by Healing Artisan
yes, i go to college, many black student are in the upper division classes.our cognitive processes can be different but i dont think one race/color is superior to another.
thats not really empirical...
but ok...
The Totality of Available Evidence Shows the Race IQ Gap Still Remains
J. Philippe Rushton and Arthur R. Jensen
We reviewed evidence that (a) the distribution of IQ scores around the world shows averages of 106 for East Asians, 100 for Whites, 85 for U.S. Blacks, and 70 for sub-Saharan Africans; (b) race differences are most pronounced on the more g-loaded subtests (g being the general factor of mental ability); (c) race differences are most pronounced on the subtests whose scores show the most heritability; and (d) racial differences in brain size parallel the IQ differences. We also reviewed corroborating studies of (e) racial admixture, (f) trans-racial adoption, (g) regression to different racial means, (h) 60 related life-history traits, (i) human origins, and (j) the inadequacy of environmental explanations of the racial IQ difference.
Psychological Science, 17, 10, 921-922, 2006
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-9280.2006.01803.x
Black Americans Reduce the Racial IQ Gap: Evidence From Standardization Samples
William T. Dickens and James R. Flynn
ABSTRACT—It is often asserted that Black Americans have made no IQ gains on White Americans. Until recently, there have been no adequate data to measure trends in Black IQ. We analyzed data from nine standardization samples for four major tests of cognitive ability. These data suggest that Blacks gained 4 to 7 IQ points on non-Hispanic Whites between 1972 and 2002. Gains have been fairly uniform across the entire range of Black cognitive ability.
Psychological Science, 17, 10, 913-920, 2006
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-9280.2006.01802.x?prevSearch=allfield%3A%28racial+gap+IQ%29
Although I personally don't think the evidence is strong enough to say for sure there is a racial component to IQ, I wouldn't be surprised
Originally posted by Healing ArtisanOh, wow, that sure is proof....black people are in upper level classes! 🙄
yes, i go to college, many black student are in the upper division classes.our cognitive processes can be different but i dont think one race/color is superior to another.
Originally posted by SelphieTStudying the evolutionary differences between the races is something that should happen: for the science in and of itself just might answer how we came to be. And, to that end, if naming the differences between the races comes about, then so be it. Plus, what's the difference between what Dr. Watson said, and what the guy who said blacks were athletically better said?
There might be, but is it really something we should point out? Is it really something that truly matters? Why should we point out how other races are less intelligent?
Edit: And no, in no way, shape, or form am I condoning what Dr. Watson said without any tangible proof (even with tangible proof I wouldn't condone people running around calling black people "dumber" than whites).
Originally posted by Darth Macabrehe said empirical, i gave my observation. did i ever say that was proof?
Oh, wow, that sure is proof....black people are in upper level classes! 🙄 Studying the evolutionary differences between the races is something that should happen: for the science in and of itself just might answer how we came to be. And, to that end, if naming the differences between the races comes about, then so be it. Plus, what's the difference between what Dr. Watson said, and what the guy who said blacks were athletically better said?Edit: And no, in no way, shape, or form am I condoning what Dr. Watson said without any tangible proof (even with tangible proof I wouldn't condone people running around calling black people "dumber" than whites).
Re: black people are less intelligent that white people says Nobel Prize winner
Originally posted by Evil Dead
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2677098.ecediscuss.
(topics involving race are always fun to watch unfold)
edit: I typed "that" instead of "than" in the title, can't edit it......you get the gist.
Bush has proved this guy's 'theory' to be pure conjecture at this point.
Originally posted by inimalist
If there are significant differences in the cognitive abilities of different races, the idea that social solutions that worked for one race would also work for other races becomes much more questionable. If people are intelligent in "different ways" it becomes of the utmost importance when trying to design ways to make their lives better.And from a very basic scientific point of view, there is value in all knowledge, and this could lead to many other discoveries about how our brains work.
Ummm...yeah, this guy said most everything I wanted to say...
Fact is, those who fall under the anthropological classification of Negroid have a lower IQ than the other major anthropological classifications (i.e. Mongoloid, Caucasoid, etc.). This is not debatable as either fact or opinion, it is truth.
However, the question does not come down to specific intelligence quotients. Environment plays a very large part in an intelligence quotient measurement. The majority of Caucasoids have access to more and better education; even in the United States this "availability gap" is present. An intelligence quotient can be correlated to educational background, up to a point. (And that point is varies individually.)
Simply put, Negroids on average ARE less intelligent than other peoples. However, to think that they are inferior is ignorant in and of itself. An intelligent person may conclude environment as the major determining factor rather than genetic inferiority.
At the moment, we will have to wait and see but how I have seen it thus far, Negroids have just as much of a cognitive capacity as any other humans do.
Originally posted by inimalist
thats not really empirical...but ok...
[b]The Totality of Available Evidence Shows the Race IQ Gap Still Remains
J. Philippe Rushton and Arthur R. Jensen
We reviewed evidence that (a) the distribution of IQ scores around the world shows averages of 106 for East Asians, 100 for Whites, 85 for U.S. Blacks, and 70 for sub-Saharan Africans; (b) race differences are most pronounced on the more g-loaded subtests (g being the general factor of mental ability); (c) race differences are most pronounced on the subtests whose scores show the most heritability; and (d) racial differences in brain size parallel the IQ differences. We also reviewed corroborating studies of (e) racial admixture, (f) trans-racial adoption, (g) regression to different racial means, (h) 60 related life-history traits, (i) human origins, and (j) the inadequacy of environmental explanations of the racial IQ difference.
Psychological Science, 17, 10, 921-922, 2006
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-9280.2006.01803.xBlack Americans Reduce the Racial IQ Gap: Evidence From Standardization Samples
William T. Dickens and James R. Flynn
ABSTRACT—It is often asserted that Black Americans have made no IQ gains on White Americans. Until recently, there have been no adequate data to measure trends in Black IQ. We analyzed data from nine standardization samples for four major tests of cognitive ability. These data suggest that Blacks gained 4 to 7 IQ points on non-Hispanic Whites between 1972 and 2002. Gains have been fairly uniform across the entire range of Black cognitive ability.
Psychological Science, 17, 10, 913-920, 2006
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-9280.2006.01802.x?prevSearch=allfield%3A%28racial+gap+IQ%29Although I personally don't think the evidence is strong enough to say for sure there is a racial component to IQ, I wouldn't be surprised [/B]
Anything concerning race and "IQ" is inherently tied to the past and social situations. That's like saying Native Americans are not as smart or wealthy without including the context of their history in the U.S. What sort of conclusion is that?
Originally posted by dadudemon
Ummm...yeah, this guy said most everything I wanted to say...Fact is, those who fall under the anthropological classification of Negroid have a lower IQ than the other major anthropological classifications (i.e. Mongoloid, Caucasoid, etc.). This is not debatable as either fact or opinion, it is truth.
However, the question does not come down to specific intelligence quotients. Environment plays a very large part in an intelligence quotient measurement. The majority of Caucasoids have access to more and better education; even in the United States this "availability gap" is present. An intelligence quotient can be correlated to educational background, up to a point. (And that point is varies individually.)
Simply put, Negroids on average ARE less intelligent than other peoples. However, to think that they are inferior is ignorant in and of itself. An intelligent person may conclude environment as the major determining factor rather than genetic inferiority.
At the moment, we will have to wait and see but how I have seen it thus far, Negroids have just as much of a cognitive capacity as any other humans do.
Sigh. Make a point and then refute it without realizing it. Where is education going?
Re: black people are less intelligent that white people says Nobel Prize winner
Originally posted by Evil Dead
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2677098.ecediscuss.
(topics involving race are always fun to watch unfold)
edit: I typed "that" instead of "than" in the title, can't edit it......you get the gist.
No offense, but he might have been using "intelligence" in the old term. I didn't hear him use the term "LESS"...I heard him use the term "different" IE: This story was made up by the media to create controversy.
Regardless, he's treading on risky business.
What worries me is that people suddenly jump on the political correct racist bandwagon as soon as something like this is reported.
The truth is there are differences in race, not in all cases but in most.
Generalization is never good but take a couple of examples.
Black people naturally grow more muscle mass, so have more chance to become better athletes in some sports, you only have to watch the Olympics to see this. For some reason they arn´t good swimmers, someone told me that its because their buts stick out too much, sounds daft be could be a logical reason.
Indian/Pakistani people are for some reason very good at maths, are good at learning look at how many IT experts/ programmers there are there, look at how many Doctors there are.
Theres are undoubtedly differences, but I can´t see intelligence being a genetic one, more likely the background and upbringing. People with rich parents tend to do better in school for some reason.
Originally posted by chithappens
Anything concerning race and "IQ" is inherently tied to the past and social situations. That's like saying Native Americans are not as smart or wealthy without including the context of their history in the U.S. What sort of conclusion is that?
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...but I think it also depends on your defintion of intellignce as well. For example people can be better at maths or languages but just because somebody is not good at maths does not make them stupid because they are stronger in different areas.
I think its naive to see that everybody is the same but at the sametime I dont think there are big differenves between the races.
Looking at the quotes not much of what he said seemed overly offensive.
"there are many people of colour who are very talented, but don’t promote them when they haven’t succeeded at the lower level" kinda goes for anyone. I wouldn't promote someone who failed at lower levels.
"all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours - whereas all the testing says not really" thats not really racist thats an observation. Nor does it say that they're stupid just that they don't neccisarily think the same way which is an aspect of any culture.
"there is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so" again more of an observation than a statement of who's more or less intelligent