Racism

Black are not less intelligent that whites are, and the other way around. Blacks have the same learning capacity whites do and are as intelligent as Whites. If that were the case, if all whites were smarter than all blacks then I could easily discredit that by finding a black University professor and some dumb white trash of the same age and have them take IQ and regular common sense tests and prove that theory wrong.

The reason blacks are seemingly less intelligent than white is cultural. You’d have to be an idiot of pure grade to believe that skin pigmentation has a biological effect on cognition, lol. If you think that the actual hue of one’s skin somehow physically travels through ones bloodstream through the neck and into the brain, making someone smarter if the cells are white/pink and making someone dumber if the cells are brown, then you must really be into hard but humorous sci fi novels.

Bottomline, blacks seemingly show a lack of intelligence because it’s cultural because in doing so, it is acting white. Learning and going to school and doing well are seen as white only endeavors that should (weighed carefully) and be avoided at all cost. Schools, colleges, the Gov’t and corporate America are seen as purely white institutions of racist value that are not to be trusted. Also, acting white is taboo in the black community. It’s considered disgraceful and shameful. The common thought is that you’re acting like the oppressor and want to posses their slavic mentality and use it against your own kind. So in order to avoid the pain of shame and alienation and to experience the pleasure of being apart of the flock they develop an anti-intellectual attitude which is seen by white as black being less unintelligent when that’s not that case. Blacks have the same exact mental capacity whites do. The attitude is of course ruining the black community but it’s purely cultural. Biology, in no way, has anything to do with it. Not even by an atomic percent.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
The reason blacks are seemingly less intelligent than white is cultural. You’d have to be an idiot of pure grade to believe that skin pigmentation has a biological effect on cognition, lol. If you think that the actual hue of one’s skin somehow physically travels through ones bloodstream through the neck and into the brain, making someone smarter if the cells are white/pink and making someone dumber if the cells are brown, then you must really be into hard but humorous sci fi novels.

You do realize that Black people are different from White people in more ways than just skin color right? Watson's statements are being taken as him saying that some other aspect of Black peoples' genetics makes them less intelligent.

What about Japanese people? Don't they have high IQ's? Or is that just a stereotype?

Originally posted by botankus
What about Japanese people? Don't they have high IQ's? Or is that just a stereotype?

Based on all of the Asians I've met. Not a stereotype.

Did you give them IQ tests, or were they enrolled in upper-level classes?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You do realize that Black people are different from White people in more ways than just skin color right? Watson's statements are being taken as him saying that some other aspect of Black peoples' genetics makes them less intelligent.

1stly, what made you think I wasn't aware of that?

This is his (common) thought:

'Blacks do not do things the way whites do them. Therefore they aren't smart.'

He's an idiot.

2ndly, do you believe that skin hue travels the arteries, into the brain affecting neurons for the better?

The first study I posted shows a persistence of the racial IQ gap when the social economic status is corrected for. It also showed the most when mental capacity was the most important variable. This suggests that the problem is not only one of social conditions.

However, I just recently found an article that shows even just 10h of action video game play can remove the gender gap in visiospatial skills.

Maybe he was a close closet white supremacist all his life and decided to finally come out. Instead of wearing white sheets he uses white lab coat and science.

Who says there never was such thing as a racist atheist?

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
1stly, what made you think I wasn't aware of that?

This is his (common) thought:

'Blacks do not do things the way whites do them. Therefore they aren't smart.'

He's an idiot.

2ndly, do you believe that skin hue travels the arteries, into the brain affecting neurons for the better?

He thinks you are not aware of that for the same reason everyone else reading your post will think it- because of your point you re-iterate at the end there, about hue affecting intelligence. The whole point of his post is that your sarcasm about that idea was preposterous because absolutely no-one- including Watson- is claiming such a thing, It is something you have made up tio attack him and now used as a method of attack in your own dialogue.

The fact that you have mis-represented the argument says very little for you.

Watson is not saying that having different coloured skin makes you less intelligent. He is saying having different coloured skin and being, on average, less intelligent comes from a common genetic cause.

Now, he might be being a completely ignorant idiot, but mis-representing his argument so- especially with such smug sarcasm- only adds to the ignorance in this world.

Originally posted by inimalist
The first study I posted shows a persistence of the racial IQ gap when the social economic status is corrected for. It also showed the most when mental capacity was the most important variable. This suggests that the problem is not only one of social conditions.

Ok but you did say this as well , right?

Originally posted by inimalist

Although I personally don't think the evidence is strong enough to say for sure there is a racial component to IQ, I wouldn't be surprised

Basically its not accurate to say for sure. Im pretty sure we could find holes in it. For example does it factor in that people learn better if they are taught in different ways? You probably know that Teaching is actually a "science" in itself and there have been studies that showed the reason why some students do badly is because of how people are taught....unfortuantely dont have anything on me...meh 😬

Originally posted by Alfheim
Basically its not accurate to say for sure. Im pretty sure we could find holes in it. For example does it factor in that people learn better if they are taught in different ways? You probably know that Teaching is actually a "science" in itself and there have been studies that showed the reason why some students do badly is because of how people are taught....unfortuantely dont have anything on me...meh 😬

Actually, it wasn't until just recently that I wasn't leaning more toward the racial IQ gap being genetic, but the video game study has pretty much redefined how I look at this type of stuff.

Any one study will always have problems, regardless of the subject. However, as a whole, the body of evidence, even when controlling for all of these things you mention, showed better performance on whatever dimension it is that IQ tests measure.

I think people read too much into it though. Nobody is saying anything negative about black people, and as individuals, they are able to become much more successful and intelligent than white people. I don't think it is racist to summarize a body of data, which actually does show difference in performance on IQ tests.

Originally posted by inimalist
Actually, it wasn't until just recently that I wasn't leaning more toward the racial IQ gap being genetic, but the video game study has pretty much redefined how I look at this type of stuff.

Any one study will always have problems, regardless of the subject. However, as a whole, the body of evidence, even when controlling for all of these things you mention, showed better performance on whatever dimension it is that IQ tests measure.

I think people read too much into it though. Nobody is saying anything negative about black people, and as individuals, they are able to become much more successful and intelligent than white people. I don't think it is racist to summarize a body of data, which actually does show difference in performance on IQ tests.

Well anyway this subject is far too touchy I think I will refrain from posting....

Originally posted by inimalist
The first study I posted shows a persistence of the racial IQ gap when the social economic status is corrected for. It also showed the most when mental capacity was the most important variable. This suggests that the problem is not only one of social conditions.

Suggestion is not the same as proving something - you have already stated this so. Besides, there is no way to gauge mental capacity.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
What worries me is that people suddenly jump on the political correct racist bandwagon as soon as something like this is reported.

The truth is there are differences in race, not in all cases but in most.
Generalization is never good but take a couple of examples.

Black people naturally grow more muscle mass, so have more chance to become better athletes in some sports, you only have to watch the Olympics to see this. For some reason they arn´t good swimmers, someone told me that its because their buts stick out too much, sounds daft be could be a logical reason.

Indian/Pakistani people are for some reason very good at maths, are good at learning look at how many IT experts/ programmers there are there, look at how many Doctors there are.

Theres are undoubtedly differences, but I can´t see intelligence being a genetic one, more likely the background and upbringing. People with rich parents tend to do better in school for some reason.

I do not really agree with what you these generalizations (and this is not a shot at you personally at all). Africans tend to be much better swimmers than Afro-Americans for various reasons. Indian and Pakistani people are good in IT programs because they focus on being particularly good at that pat subject matter. Asians tend to do a lot of stuff based on discipline and the such (although this drives down their self esteem to a degree but that's another story).

One thing to remember is that IQ does not equate to intelligence. It is a bias test, same as the ACT and SAT. If you are never exposed to certain things by the people who make up the test your "IQ" will always be lower. Plenty of uneducated people taught me different philosophies without even being knowledgeable of any philosophical cannon. IQ does not deal with adaptation to change, creativity, individuality, or other qualities which come into play when discussing intelligence but not IQ.

Originally posted by chithappens
Suggestion is not the same as proving something - you have already stated this so. Besides, there is no way to gauge mental capacity.

not general mental capacity, but various components of it, like IQ, or attention, or memory, ect.

More and better studies will tease out what is social and what is genetic. Adoption studies might be good, but then it is only correlational, and an experimental design would likely be unethical...

Originally posted by chithappens
Sigh. Make a point and then refute it without realizing it. Where is education going?

I am not sure what you mean there. I agreed with a point specifically to show its invalidity. In other words, I did exactly what I intended to do.

I wanted to show that indeed, there is an IQ gap. (Inimilist actually showed that, but I agreed with it.) I then wanted to show why an IQ gap isn't really a genuine marker of cognitive differences due to the environment of the individual.

Some hold that the newest IQ tests try to actually test the IQ of the individual despite their educational background...meaning that even if you are not educated, you would score close to the same. However, I still don't personally feel that current IQ tests are great at actually testing the IQ of a person despite their education. Can that ever be done?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Based on all of the Asians I've met. Not a stereotype.

I still don't believe that arrogant theory of intelligence being in the gene depending on race. It really depends how you have been educated and how you take advantage of it.

Most African Americans tend to be seen as under educated people for many years though. But I don't blame those who have done shit in school. The country's education rate has really plummeted.😬

Originally posted by JacopeX
I still don't believe that arrogant theory of intelligence being in the gene depending on race. It really depends how you have been educated and how you take advantage of it.

Most African Americans tend to be seen as under educated people for many years though. But I don't blame those who have done shit in school. The country's education rate has really plummeted.😬

Watson was talking about Africans, not AfricanAmericans.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Watson was talking about Africans, not AfricanAmericans.

it's all cultural I'm telling you.

For example Chinese culture is like a billion years old and they've had time to culture themselves into a standard way of being. (Which is seemingly a high standard.) It's taught to them and is learned through osmosis since birth. Why? Cause they're not born with it. It's culture (and the environment) Not genetics.

Let's put a Chinese born kid in a Black high crime ghetto a few days after he's born. Let's raise them there as well and with the ghetto mentality.

He would turn out the way whites think blacks in the ghetto are: Ghetto

Now, lets put a Black kid born in the ghetto slums of an American city and place him in China with a well to do family a few days after he's born. Chances are when he grows up he would be just as "intelligent" as your (stereo) typical studios Chinese kid.

Why cause it's the way he was raised, cultural impact and his environment. Genes are NOT a factor.