Racism

Originally posted by Robtard
What exactly is "in me"? "Inherent White Racism"? Still claiming that nonsense, eh?

No; I do not believe any single ethnic group is smarter by default than any other. I have never claimed or implied that, why would you ask me such a stupid question?

You, as always, are a racist. You make negative blanket generalizations against "Whites", then b!tch and moan how you never said it, or didn't mean it in a racist manner.

Get over it, "Whites" as a whole or even majority do not hate "Blacks"... it's clear you're a racist hater and you try to justify your racist views against "Whites" by attaching your B.S. claims to all/majority of "Whites". Hate "Whites" all you like, it's a free county, just don't try to rationalize your irrational racism.

Incase you missed it (again), your first sentence is an ignorant racist generalization. Dance all you like, but it is.

You've called Africans savages! So stopped getting your tampax in a bloody mess. Prove to me that the majority of Whites don't hate Black people like I can prove to you they they do.

Like I said I can prove it to you by creating that thread/poll to debunk your idiocy and denial. Don't act like it's the 1st time you've heard that deep inside most Whites don't like Blacks. And that's not looking at history.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
You've called Africans savages! So stopped getting your tampax in a bloody mess. Prove to me that the majority of Whites don't hate Black people like I can prove to you they they do.

Like I said I can prove it to you by creating that thread/poll to debunk your idiocy and denial. Don't act like it's the 1st time you've heard that deep inside most Whites don't like Blacks. And that's not looking at history.

I did? Care to post it; please post the whole comment.

You want me to prove your negative? You silly racist. Go on, prove it, you made they claim, so it's up to you to prove it, that's how it works. Go on, prove it.

A thread/poll in here will not prove a thing, go on though. Yeah, I'm the idiot, yet you're the one making ignorant racist claims. Hmmm.

Go on though, prove your ridiculous claim. I do have questions, if the majority/all "White" people in America (let alone the world) hate "Blacks" and wish them ill, why are black people still around? Why were the slaves freed? Why have some "Blacks" achieved so much?

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Like I said I can prove it to you by creating that thread/poll to debunk your idiocy and denial. Don't act like it's the 1st time you've heard that deep inside most Whites don't like Blacks. And that's not looking at history.

Do you know anything about representative sample polling? I doubt it, as you seem to think the type of poll you just described would be a valid source for white peoples opinions on blacks...do you wish for me to tell you what factors mean it wouldn't be valid?

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
It's only racist if his motives for saying it were from a hate of Black people, however it seems it didnt, and it also seems thats not what he meant anyway.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Contrary to popular belief, racism isn't about hatred, it's about superiority between races.

So your saying, you don't have to hate black people, but thinking your superior due to skin colour is also racist?

I'd agree with that.

Of course, I could hate black people or judge them for being black without thinking them inferior or superior.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Of course, I could hate black people or judge them for being black without thinking them inferior or superior.

to consider yourself justified in passing judgment them would clearly imply superiority, wouldnt it?

Originally posted by Schecter
to consider yourself justified in passing judgment them would clearly imply superiority, wouldnt it?

You could hate black people from a feeling of inferiority...

I'm sure many blacks hate whites because they feel they are equal opposed to second class citizens as many whites treat them.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav

I'm sure many blacks hate whites because they feel they are equal rather than second class citizens.

its completely illogical and imho impossible to hate someone whom you acknowledge as your equal (unless perhaps you just hate everyone including yourself.)

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
So your saying, you don't have to hate black people, but thinking your superior due to skin colour is also racist?

I'd agree with that.

Of course, I could hate black people or judge them for being black without thinking them inferior or superior.

Originally posted by Robtard
I did? Care to post it; please post the whole comment.

You want me to prove your negative? You silly racist. Go on, prove it, you made they claim, so it's up to you to prove it, that's how it works. Go on, prove it.

A thread/poll in here will not prove a thing, go on though. Yeah, I'm the idiot, yet you're the one making ignorant racist claims. Hmmm.

Go on though, prove your ridiculous claim. I do have questions, if the majority/all "White" people in America (let alone the world) hate "Blacks" and wish them ill, why are black people still around? Why were the slaves freed? Why have some "Blacks" achieved so much?

What. You magically forgot the time when you called Indians "noble savages" and African people just regular savages based on what you've seen (in the media) on the atrocities that are going on in a couple of countries over there?

I know a thread/poll will show that most Whites in KMC think blacks are indeed less intelligent than Whites.

And I guess Black people are still around cause they're fighters. They've persisted and persevered relentlessly. They had to in order to survive your forefathers daily. And the slaves were freed partly cause of the sting of hypocrisy with "Being an American", the chicken scratched used toilet paper you call the Constitution and the treament of Black "American Citizens"by Whites.

Blacks have achieved so much cause they've had to. Either that or die. Remember Whites made it illegal for Blacks to read and write in America. Whites made it illegal for Blacks in the U.S. to do mostly anything human basically. Did you know in WW2, Black "U.S." war soldiers when injured in combat, medics could only use only another Black persons blood cause blood was segregated. And this was legal. And they still fought for this country with that hate. They were receiving hate from both sides; from both the U.S. and the axis and still went to war. They're fighters. They've been and still go through the worst and somehow still succeed. Successful Blacks got there cause they've ignored racism along the way. It's probably cause they've been numb to it.

Originally posted by Schecter
its completely illogical and imho impossible to hate someone whom you acknowledge as your equal (unless perhaps you just hate everyone including yourself.)

Well, you, "ho" it wrong, ofcourse you can hate all black people even though you don't regard them to be inferior or superior...

You can also hate an entire group of people through envy...serfs hating nobles because the nobles are rich.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
What. You magically forgot the time when you called Indians "noble savages" and African people just regular savages based on what you've seen (in the media) on the atrocities that are going on in a couple of countries over there?

I know a thread/poll will show that most Whites in KMC think blacks are indeed less intelligent than Whites.

And I guess Black people are still around cause they're fighters. They've persisted and persevered relentlessly. They had to in order to survive your forefathers daily. And the slaves were freed partly cause of the sting of hypocrisy with "Being an American", the chicken scratched used toilet paper you call the Constitution and the treament of Black "American Citizens"by Whites.

Blacks have achieved so much cause they've had to. Either that or die. Remember Whites made it illegal for Blacks to read and write in America. Whites made it illegal for Blacks in the U.S. to do mostly anything human basically. Did you know in WW2, Black "U.S." war soldiers when injured in combat, medics could only use only another Black persons blood cause blood was segregated. And this was legal. And they still fought for this country with that hate. They were receiving hate from both sides; from both the U.S. and the axis and still went to war. They're fighters. They've been and still go through the worst and somehow still succeed. Successful Blacks got there cause they've ignored racism along the way. It's probably cause they've been numb to it.

yes yes we get it. white people are evil and you're not a racist. wonderful.

Originally posted by Schecter
its completely illogical and imho impossible to hate someone whom you acknowledge as your equal (unless perhaps you just hate everyone including yourself.)

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Well, you, "ho" it wrong, ofcourse you can hate all black people even though you don't regard them to be inferior or superior...

no, you really cant hate all black people exclusively without feeling superior in some way.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
You can also hate an entire group of people through envy...serfs hating nobles because the nobles are rich.

thus feeling morally superior to their oppressors.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Do you actually have a basis for that? Right or wrong- and his comments have become clarified more recently- he is working from scientific basis.

He has to be likewise countered, not simply refuted with no backing for that refuation given.

That;s why stopping him speaking is idiocy. You never take on ideas like this by forbidding their expresssion. This is not hate speech, it's not based on religion or artifical ideas of superiority. If it is wrong, it is based on spurious science, and that being the case it must be shown to be wrong in informed debate, not knee jerk reactions like those that have been made in this case.

Much of the reaction has been based on people not wanting it to be true, not upon any intelligent analysis on whether it is or not. That's very dangerous. The Science Museum should know better.

Whoa, hold up. How can anyone make a statement about the intelligence of a race?

Intelligence is not really something that can be defined. It must be calculated by certain procedure and under specific protocol, but I mentioned earlier there is no way to gauge certain things such as adaptability or creativity which certainly count as part of intelligence.

This might as well be a metaphysical argument because no one can give a non-bias IQ test, for example.

There is no place of "science" where theory should be stated as fact - that is the case here. Theories given as fact have no place in the cannon of science, and this particular statement does not even require intelligent analysis because none of this can be proven.

In relation to IQ test:

Originally posted by chithappens

As you said though, it is a measure of "something" but that is about as definite as "x" and you can not make claims based off of "x." You said yourself that there are biases and there are efforts to remove those biases so you know those test are not universally accurate at whatever "x" is.

I'm not saying the test are good for nothing at all. I would love to see what the research shows, but I do know that you can not make blanket statements off of "x." That's like trying to saying you understand how to come to product of a multiplication problem but you never really figured out how addition works.

Intelligence is a property of mind that encompasses many related abilities, such as the capacities to reason, to plan, to solve problems, to think abstractly, to comprehend ideas, to use language, and to learn. There are several ways to define intelligence. In some cases, intelligence may include traits such as: creativity, personality, character, knowledge, or wisdom. However, some psychologists prefer not to include these traits in the definition of intelligence.

Intelligence is not universally defined by anyone in any field. From that we can easily say that any blanket statement about sex, age, gender, race and so on are stupid.

Even that little tid bit says there are several ways to define it.

i can spell son, u got a prob if i write words like prob,wit so instead of write lol i should write laugh out loud stop being a duck

Just had t o refresh some memories here on the topic and especially to those whom are in denial and those whom act like racism isn't a small problem in the U.S. Racism, it seems, is now even pouring over into the scientific community as well.

So here it is. Again.

Racism and Whiteness

Although all nations have had notions of national superiority at one time or the other, white people (specifically, early modern Europeans) developed this notion to "unprecedented" levels as an intrinsic element of the process of colonisation and imperialism. This resulted in the notion of superiority based on race (a euphemism for skin color). This ideology was then used as "justification" for their subjugation of non-white people across the world. Essentially, white people constructed a hierarchy based on 'race', with whites at the top. This created a de-facto global class system based on skin color - with white being seen as the standard against which all others were judged. This folksonomy produced real social effects such as white privilege for whites and colorism between non-whites, with many non-whites competing for proximity to "whiteness" by bleaching their skin (see skin whitening) and adopting a variety of white cultural practices in the form of manners, dress, speech, cultural tastes and Eurocentric aesthetics.

Although laws have been introduced in most countries worldwide, to dismantle this folksonomy, its tenets appear to be still deeply ingrained in many societies (see postcolonialism, colonial mentality and skin whitening). In many ways, this "mental subjugation" (or "internalised orientalism"😉 is the most harrowing aspect of racism, as it is not "directly observable", and therefore difficult to recognize, let alone ameliorate. Whole swathes of nonwhite people have absorbed, by means of cultural osmosis (or memes), subconscious feelings of inferiority, and a poor self image either by way of their direct contact with white people (through enslavement, assimilationist immigration policies, or practices of ethnic cleansing - see Indigenous peoples of the Americas, Indigenous Australians) or through indoctrination (i.e. colonisation).

Generally, the closer an individual's skin color approximates to "whiteness" on the "race hierarchy" established by Europeans, the more the "psychological wages of whiteness" accrue. This has led to wide scale skin whitening in many parts of the world where indigenous peoples have been exposed to racist ideology (either overtly or covertly) via one of the aforementioned events (i.e. subjugation of one sort or the other by white people). Low self image often leads to depression and sometimes internalized oppression, but can also be the cause of intense resentment of a former "oppressor" by a former "oppressee" and may sometimes lead to a "revenge mentality" by those who feel aggrieved or victimised as a result of (real or perceived) ongoing racism in their society/community.

It is impossible to estimate (i.e. put a monetary/societal value) on how much worse off we are (either as a society or globally, as humans), as a result of millions of people worldwide being unable to achieve their full potential, as a result of lowered self image and actual discrimination resulting directly or indirectly from racism. Some white people on the other hand, also, feel a sense of guilt (see white guilt) for the global marginalisation of non-white people (in favour of white people) that had its genesis in racist ideology (and continues to be perpetuated by racism), whilst other white people feel they are "under siege" as a result of historic events that they were "not personally responsible for" (although white people as a whole, continue to benefit from a world system that evolved from a series of historical events that can be directly linked to racism - and now manifest itself in "economic racism" - see neocolonialism and dependency theory)

- Wikipedia.org

****ing idiot