Racism

Started by FistOfThe North215 pages

Originally posted by Robtard
If America is really that bad for "blacks", then pack your shit and leave.

Again, where is this great "White Benefit", what have I received solely because the color of my skin? Go on, tell me?

"And progress? What progress.. Things have gotten worse" Nice of you to shit on the pain of others, parasite... Tell me, how is your life worse than a clave circa 1850?

No one is telling you to forget about slavery, it's in the ****ing textbooks... But stop pretending like you're suffering like some slave, it's pathetic. And, racism does exist, it exist in many forms and colors. You're an example of that.

My main problem's with that group of people whom are not for equality but I'd love to leave the U.S. as i am strongly considering it now that I'm done with school but i certainly won't leave cause you're telling me too.

And where is this great White benefit? I'll post it again. It's Right here!

THE BENEFITS OF WHITE PRIVILEGE

1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.
2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.
3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.
4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.
5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.
6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.
7. When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.
8. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.
9. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.
10. I can be pretty sure of having my voice heard in a group in which I am the only member of my race.
11. I can be casual about whether or not to listen to another person's voice in a group in which s/he is the only member of his/her race.
12. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods which fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser's shop and find someone who can cut my hair.
13. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.
14. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.
15. I do not have to educate my children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical protection.
16. I can be pretty sure that my children's teachers and employers will tolerate them if they fit school and workplace norms; my chief worries about them do not concern others' attitudes toward their race.
17. I can talk with my mouth full and not have people put this down to my color.
18. I can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty or the illiteracy of my race.
19. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.
20. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.
21. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.
22. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world's majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.
23. I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.
24. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to the "person in charge", I will be facing a person of my race.
25. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race.
26. I can easily buy posters, post-cards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys and children's magazines featuring people of my race.
27. I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance or feared.
28. I can be pretty sure that an argument with a colleague of another race is more likely to jeopardize her/his chances for advancement than to jeopardize mine.
29. I can be pretty sure that if I argue for the promotion of a person of another race, or a program centering on race, this is not likely to cost me heavily within my present setting, eben if my colleagues disagree with me.
30. If I declare there is a racial issue at hand, or there isn't a racial issue at hand, my race will lend me more credibility for either position than a person of color will have.
31. I can choose to ignore developments in minority writing and minority activist programs, or disparage them, or learn from them, but in any case, I can find ways to be more or less protected from negative consequences of any of these choices.
32. My culture gives me little fear about ignoring the perspectives and powers of people of other races.
33. I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race.
34. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.
35. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having my co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of my race.
36. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it had racial overtones.
37. I can be pretty sure of finding people who would be willing to talk with me and advise me about my next steps, professionally.
38. I can think over many options, social, political, imaginative or professional, without asking whether a person of my race would be accepted or allowed to do what I want to do.
39. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.
40. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the places I have chosen.
41. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help, my race will not work against me.
42. I can arrange my activities so that I will never have to experience feelings of rejection owing to my race.
43. If I have low credibility as a leader I can be sure that my race is not the problem.
44. I can easily find academic courses and institutions which give attention only to people of my race.
45. I can expect figurative language and imagery in all of the arts to testify to experiences of my race.
46. I can chose blemish cover or bandages in "flesh" color and have them more or less match my skin.
47. I can travel alone or with my spouse without expecting embarrassment or hostility in those who deal with us.
48. I have no difficulty finding neighborhoods where people approve of our household.
49. My children are given texts and classes which implicitly support our kind of family unit and do not turn them against my choice of domestic partnership.
50. I will feel welcomed and "normal" in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.

My life's not worse than a slaves' was, I never said such stupidity. You said it though cause your an example of ignorance.

There is a mental slave grip that's being applied (and effectively) here in the U.S. but i don't pretend to be a Slave. But i have thought about it, if i were a slave back then. If I were a slave back then, i swear i would've brutally assassinated my master or at least attempt it and the form a coup, leave and just free as many others as i can. And if i died, Id of been an honor. As soon as I'd get off the Slave-ship and hit U.S. shores, it's just to look around inconspicuously for really sharp and rusty objects/weapons and escape routes.

Originally posted by Robtard
Sorry craka, if their skin was "White", they were (racist) part of the problem, see below.
Hmm.. yeah missed that post. I keep forgetting that all white people are racist. I don't know, I'm white but I just find it hard to hate other races. I threatened to use racial slurs against a perosn last night... but I never would up doing it... in fact I wound up admiting that someone of a race not my own was hot.

I guess I have to turn in my craka card now don't I?

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
My life's not worse than a slaves' was, I never said such stupidity. You said it though cause your an example of ignorance.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Things have gotten worse.

Not only are you racist, you're a liar too. That or just too stupid to remember what you said... course that comes as no surprise to anyone.

This is just more evidence.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
My main problem's with that group of people whom are not for equality but I'd love to leave the U.S. as i am strongly considering it now that I'm done with school but i certainly won't leave cause you're telling me too.

And where is this great White benefit? I'll post it again. It's Right here!

THE BENEFITS OF WHITE PRIVILEGE

1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.
2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.
3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.
4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.
5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.
6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.
7. When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.
8. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.
9. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.
10. I can be pretty sure of having my voice heard in a group in which I am the only member of my race.
11. I can be casual about whether or not to listen to another person's voice in a group in which s/he is the only member of his/her race.
12. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods which fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser's shop and find someone who can cut my hair.
13. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.
14. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.
15. I do not have to educate my children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical protection.
16. I can be pretty sure that my children's teachers and employers will tolerate them if they fit school and workplace norms; my chief worries about them do not concern others' attitudes toward their race.
17. I can talk with my mouth full and not have people put this down to my color.
18. I can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty or the illiteracy of my race.
19. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.
20. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.
21. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.
22. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world's majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.
23. I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.
24. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to the "person in charge", I will be facing a person of my race.
25. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race.
26. I can easily buy posters, post-cards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys and children's magazines featuring people of my race.
27. I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance or feared.
28. I can be pretty sure that an argument with a colleague of another race is more likely to jeopardize her/his chances for advancement than to jeopardize mine.
29. I can be pretty sure that if I argue for the promotion of a person of another race, or a program centering on race, this is not likely to cost me heavily within my present setting, eben if my colleagues disagree with me.
30. If I declare there is a racial issue at hand, or there isn't a racial issue at hand, my race will lend me more credibility for either position than a person of color will have.
31. I can choose to ignore developments in minority writing and minority activist programs, or disparage them, or learn from them, but in any case, I can find ways to be more or less protected from negative consequences of any of these choices.
32. My culture gives me little fear about ignoring the perspectives and powers of people of other races.
33. I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race.
34. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.
35. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having my co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of my race.
36. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it had racial overtones.
37. I can be pretty sure of finding people who would be willing to talk with me and advise me about my next steps, professionally.
38. I can think over many options, social, political, imaginative or professional, without asking whether a person of my race would be accepted or allowed to do what I want to do.
39. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.
40. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the places I have chosen.
41. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help, my race will not work against me.
42. I can arrange my activities so that I will never have to experience feelings of rejection owing to my race.
43. If I have low credibility as a leader I can be sure that my race is not the problem.
44. I can easily find academic courses and institutions which give attention only to people of my race.
45. I can expect figurative language and imagery in all of the arts to testify to experiences of my race.
46. I can chose blemish cover or bandages in "flesh" color and have them more or less match my skin.
47. I can travel alone or with my spouse without expecting embarrassment or hostility in those who deal with us.
48. I have no difficulty finding neighborhoods where people approve of our household.
49. My children are given texts and classes which implicitly support our kind of family unit and do not turn them against my choice of domestic partnership.
50. I will feel welcomed and "normal" in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.

My life's not worse than a slaves' was, I never said such stupidity. You said it though cause your an example of ignorance.

There is a mental slave grip that's being applied (and effectively) here in the U.S. but i don't pretend to be a Slave. But i have thought about it, if i were a slave back then. If I were a slave back then, i swear i would've brutally assassinated my master or at least attempt it and the form a coup, leave and just free as many others as i can. And if i died, Id of been an honor. As soon as I'd get off the Slave-ship and hit U.S. shores, it's just to look around inconspicuously for really sharp and rusty objects/weapons and escape routes.

I'll help you pack when you're ready to go.

Reposting the same racist garbage? Why? It was useless to your pointless "points" the first time around.

Keep spinning Lance... you said "And progress? What progress.. Things have gotten worse" ... Keys word is "worse". Duh.

"There is a mental slave grip" How do you mentally enslave someone? Also, if so, are you saying "Black people" are mentally inferior to "White people", as to let this happen? Could it be a genetic shortcoming of "Blacks"?

You really think highly of yourself don't you? I have a feeling, like those unfortnate slaves of the past, you would have submitted, because you would have had no choice, that or be killed after a few backtalks.

Originally posted by Robtard
"There is a mental slave grip" How do you mentally enslave someone? Also, if so, are you saying "Black people" are mentally inferior to "White people", as to let this happen? Could it be a genetic shortcoming of "blacks"?
No, white people are mutants like the X-Men... born with an extra racist gene that allows them to enslave other races.

Mine seems to be dormant... other than making my skin white.

Originally posted by Robtard
If America is really that bad for "blacks", then pack your shit and leave.

I have an idea. Why don't you pay what you owe. THEN we'll pack our shit and leave.

Originally posted by Robtard
Again, where is this great "White Benefit", what have I received solely because the color of my skin? Go on, tell me?

Short sighted nonsense. For years, WE were the "Copper top" to your "Matrix".

You have inherited a country that Other European's
Swindled and Murdered for. You are the beneficiary of an Economy that made a good deal of money based on the exports of Slave labor and goods. You are the beneficiary of a political system that systematically abused and subjugated my people. I could go on.

Originally posted by Robtard
"where mostly White people work, and all i see are enormous dark red waterfalls of African American slave blood roaring down from the roofs of these colossal towers." You're a racist and a melodramatic fool.

How is that racist?

Originally posted by Robtard
"And progress? What progress.. Things have gotten worse" Nice of you to shit on the pain of others, parasite... Tell me, how is your life worse than a clave circa 1850?

He is referring to a growing belief in the African American community that Civil Rights, and Integration may have done more harm to us as a people than good.

Originally posted by Robtard
No one is telling you to forget about slavery, it's in the ****ing textbooks...

The telling of our legacy through "His-Story" text books is vague at best.

Molding the truth for the young out of fear for our rage.

"You used to be Slaves. It was bad. Now you're "free." Martin Luther King has 2 pg's. Malcolm X has 2 paragraphs.

A half truth can be worse than an out right Lie.

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
I have an idea. Why don't you pay what you owe. THEN we'll pack our shit and leave.
He doesn't owe you a dime. Why would he? Because he's white?

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
Short sighted nonsense. For years, WE were the "Copper top" to your "Matrix".

You have inherited a country that Other European's
Swindled and Murdered for. You are the beneficiary of an Economy that made a good deal of money based on the exports of Slave labor and goods. You are the beneficiary of a political system that systematically abused and subjugated my people. I could go on.

And what are you? Aren't you also benefiting from the actions of those in the past? What entitles you to do so and not him? Cause he's white?

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
How is that racist?
Because every white person was a slave owner? Everybody's to be held accountable for the sins of their father? Whatever crimes the rest of my family and ancestors did I'm to be held accountable for?

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
He is referring to a growing belief in the African American community that Civil Rights, and Integration may have done more harm to us as a people than good.
So stupidity is contagious?

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
I have an idea. Why don't you pay what you owe. THEN we'll pack our shit and leave.
Short sighted nonsense. For years, WE were the "Copper top" to your "Matrix".

You have inherited a country that Other European's
Swindled and Murdered for. You are the beneficiary of an Economy that made a good deal of money based on the exports of Slave labor and goods. You are the beneficiary of a political system that systematically abused and subjugated my people. I could go on.

How is that racist?

He is referring to a growing belief in the African American community that Civil Rights, and Integration may have done more harm to us as a people than good.

The telling of our legacy through "His-Story" text books is vague at best.

Molding the truth for the young out of fear for our rage.

"You used to be Slaves. It was bad. Now you're "free." Martin Luther King has 2 pg's. Malcolm X has 2 paragraphs.

A half truth can be worse than an out right Lie.

My family came here in 1977, what exactly do I "owe" you?

What exactly have I "inherited"? Oh, can I apply to the U.N.C.F.?

I wouldn't except you to see his negative connotations to "White people" as being racist.

No, I doubt he was referring to any such thing,he'll probably piggy-back you on it now. But, he actually things his life is worse than a 1850's slave.

"His-Story"... Let me guess, more "White Conspiracy"?

Did you forget about M.L.K. day? Na, that's nothing, right?

Feck this thread

Originally posted by Xenogears
Feck this thread
Elaborate.

Originally posted by Robtard
"His-Story"... Let me guess, more "White Conspiracy"?
That one sounds more like a male conspiracy thing.. His-story rahter than hers-story.

Originally posted by JacopeX
Elaborate.
There's nothing to elaborate.

Without putting me into this whole crap, explain to me why you all are in such denial?

Originally posted by JacopeX
Without putting me into this whole crap, explain to me why you all are in such denial?
Denial of what? Elaborate.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Denial of what? Elaborate.
In denial of what FOTN said?

What did I miss?

Originally posted by Robtard
Really, I'd like to see that quote, because there was a huge abolitionist movement seeking to free the slaves. Why do you think the South succeeded (one reason)? Because they wanted to keep their slave labor force.

They DEBATED over slavery.

But, the war was fought to decide whether a State had the right to succeed and claim sovereignty.

Originally posted by Robtard
Sorry, "blacks" do not have the market on "my slavery was worse than yours"... Slavery existed long before the "White man", even ancient African's partook in "slaving" their own conquered countrymen.

I addressed this earlier. And we've only been "free" for 48 years.

Originally posted by Robtard
Now "Obama" is under some "White racist conspiracy"... *sigh*

Did you check up on what I said before you dismissed it?

Originally posted by Robtard
Echinoderms have the ability to regenerate lost limbs/body parts, why not humans? Your "genetic slave memory" tangent, is a poor excuse.

How do you explain "Talent"?

Originally posted by Robtard
Are you implying that all "White" Americans were racist regardless of owning slaves or not? If so, that's outright dumb.

No. I'm saying that the majority of Black People were victims of racism. Whether they were "free" or not (slave poachers snatching up northern "free" Blacks and selling them to southern slave owners).

Calling someone "Dumb" doesn't automatically make you "Smart".

Originally posted by JacopeX
In denial of what FOTN said?

What did I miss?

Elaborate.

Originally posted by Robtard
...and blaming someone today for his/her great, great, great grandfathers crimes is outright dumb.

Not to mention, not all "Whites" in America are descendants of slave-owners, hell, my family migrated here in 1977.

If it doesn't apply to you, then why are you offended?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Elaborate.
With the whole "Racism" thing. This thread and the other.

Originally posted by Robtard
I would imagine, that if I started blaming you for crimes your ancestors [might have] committed, you might get "uncomfortable" too.

What do you mean "Might Have"?