Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Oh yes.Let me see the article on "whitness".
Well if you mean witness I don't see how it applies. If you mean whiteness you'll have to be a hell of a lot more specific.
Gregory Jay made it pretty apparent what he meant.
Go back and read it thoroughly and give an analysis.
Originally posted by CreshoskI personally don't think they are.
and integration was the first step to equality.
Its sort of like letting an animal get used to your presence before they warm up to you. No different with the human animal. It was REALLY rocky at first when they got rid of segrigation. but I beleive things have improved. They're not 100% yet as you still have somepeople refusing to let go of the past. which is why there are people who still don't accept other races for what they are: a group of individuals.
And yet why go from equality to integration? That's a backwards step.
People are people. You said they are "a group of individuals" but they are just some damn people.
I wouldn't say REALLY improved. That's masking a lot I think. The fact that people were forced to deal with one another helped some socially but I think there are as many non-racist white people now as there were then and non-racist blacks. Not all white people hated blacks back then and not all blacks fought for civil rights.
Look at the racial tension just at KMC. It's ****ing stupid and yet there it is. You could say "Oh it's just online" but come on. That's a bit too naive.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Gregory Jay made it pretty apparent what he meant.Go back and read it thoroughly and give an analysis.
Gregory Jay?
You mean the man who once said "Antiracism is not about guilt or blame." Oh yeah, your focus on guilt and blame clearly makes him the perfect guy to support your points.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Gregory Jay?You mean the man who once said "Antiracism is not about guilt or blame." Oh yeah, your focus on guilt and blame clearly makes him the perfect guy to support your points.
Who said I was imposing any guilt or blame on anyone?? 😕
I said whites generally disregard racism to escape the inevitable guilt that comes with aknowledging that it's still apart of the "white community" and is in practice in "White America" post Civl Rights movement.
Out of sight out of mind, but still there.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Who said I was imposing any guilt or blame on anyone?? 😕
Right here:
Originally posted by 2damnloud
I said whites generally disregard racism to escape the inevitable guilt that comes with aknowleging that it's still apart of the "white community" and is in practice in "White America".Out of sight out of mind but still there.
Originally posted by chithappensIts sort of like the first step, as I said in the part about getting animals used to you. you have to have them be used to your presence first.
And yet why go from equality to integration? That's a backwards step.
Originally posted by chithappensa race is a group of individuals. and by individual I mean a singular person with wants that are different from any other perosn and needs that are the same as every other person.
People are people. You said they are "a group of individuals" but they are just some damn people.
Originally posted by chithappensI didn't say really improved. I said it was REALLY bad at first..
I wouldn't say REALLY improved. That's masking a lot I think.
Originally posted by chithappensYeah.
The fact that people were forced to deal with one another helped some socially but I think there are as many non-racist white people now as there were then and non-racist blacks. Not all white people hated blacks back then and not all blacks fought for civil rights.
Originally posted by chithappensOh no, the internet is tool used for communication and is like a microcosm of society itself. Except for people who dedicate themselves to sockery, every other person lets out alot of their personality when interacting with other people. and that's precisely who is behin each username. Even a sock has a person behind it.
Look at the racial tension just at KMC. It's ****ing stupid and yet there it is. You could say "Oh it's just online" but come on. That's a bit too naive.
For white people, race functions as a large ensemble of practices and rules that give white people all sorts of small and large advantages in life. Whiteness is the source of many privileges, which is one reason people have trouble giving it up. It is important to stress that to criticize whiteness is not necessarily to engage in a massive orchestration of guilt. Guilt is often a distracting and mistaken emotion, especially when it comes to race. White people are fond of pointing out that as individuals they have never practiced discrimination, or that their ancestors never owned slaves. White people tend to cast the question of race in terms of guilt in part because of the American ideology of individualism, by which I mean our tendency to want to believe that individuals determine their own destinies and responsibilities. In this sense it is un-American to insist that white Americans benefit every day from their whiteness, whether or not they intend to do so. But that is the reality. Guilt, then, has nothing to do with whiteness in this sense of benefitting from structural racism and built-in privileges. I may not intend anything racial when I apply for a loan, or walk into a store, or hail a cab, or ask for a job -- but in every circumstance my whiteness will play a role in the outcome, however "liberal" or "anti-racist" I imagine myself to be. White men have enormous economic advantages because of the disadvantages faced by women and minorities, no matter what any individual white men may intend. If discrimination means that fewer qualified applicants compete with you for the job, you benefit. You do not have to be a racist to benefit from being white. You just have to look the part.