Racism

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So all we have to do if find out who's lying. That or this all became very 1984.

I have blatantly said many times it is a European dominated paradigm. Do you disagree?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So all we have to do if find out who's lying. That or this all became very 1984.

The past is certainly important. But the only real uses for thepast are to learn and explain. If things are going to change they're going to change in the future or the present.

This is my issue: Most revolutions, movements, or whatever we know of only occur after something REALLY, REALLY ****ed up happens.

Perhaps, if people understood they are all getting screwed over, just in different ways, that would try to work together more.

Very, very unlikely but why the hell ignore the past? It's like you are saying "It happened, get over it," but one can not understand where they are without knowing how they got there.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I once had a poster of a map and the name of one of the Japanese sailors who intereacted with south america. It also had on it some comparisons of their art work, mostly the dolls.

I'm not sure what happened to it but I found it around the time I discovered Jikuu Tenshou Nazca.

Hajimamashite. Ku Ku Ku

Originally posted by chithappens
Very, very unlikely but why the hell ignore the past? It's like you are saying "It happened, get over it," but one can not understand where they are without knowing how they got there.

If you're talking about slavery, it obviously did happen; it didn't happen to you or anyone alive today. So in essense, there is nothing for a "Black person" today, to "get over", regarding slavery.

Would a "White man" of today, giving you a $X amount of money make up for your great-great-great-grandfather's torment?

Originally posted by chithappens
I have blatantly said many times it is a European dominated paradigm. Do you disagree?

No. By which I mean yes. 😑

History as commonly presented does have bias towards Europe.

Originally posted by chithappens
This is my issue: Most revolutions, movements, or whatever we know of only occur after something REALLY, REALLY ****ed up happens.

Perhaps, if people understood they are all getting screwed over, just in different ways, that would try to work together more.

Well one can dream . . . or wait for aliens to attack.

Originally posted by chithappens
Very, very unlikely but why the hell ignore the past? It's like you are saying "It happened, get over it," but one can not understand where they are without knowing how they got there.

My problem is with undue focus on the past.

There really is something to be said for getting over it, "forgive but never forget". People that obsess over the past often ignore that things actually have changed since then.

Originally posted by chithappens
Hajimamashite. Ku Ku Ku

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Groups are controled by people who take power within them (something that just about every form of government perpetuates by having an executive). In history it's very clear when one group goes after another group but I see it as more important when individuals take power.

Because the masses lack drive and focus they're forced into the machinations of people who take over. World leaders, or any leaders, take control because they can. And at that point it becomes the petty problems of that individual that effect everything.

For example Germany wasn't dangerous, Hitler was dangerous.

I agree for the most part, but this particular analogy is debateable. Germany WAS dangerous simply because they WANTED revenge on the rest of the world who screwed them with the Treaty of Versailles. Hitler took advantage so on and so on, but generally I do agree.

Calling those who are not able to "rise above their situation" stupid, not so much. You mean the masses, I understand, but it is just that not everyone is unaware; hence, this exchange in convo. A lot of the stuff that "distracts" people is dumb and that is where your argument is - again, I agree.

There is no way around that but there needs to be a cohesive understanding of what "actually" happened rather than a bullshit, bias fantasy where Europeans made every damn thing and fashioned the rest of the world. They want to marvel at the art and structures but give no other civilizations credit for anything. I don't just mean Africans. I mean no one!

So is a fabricated lie told as the past just ok?

Kochira Doso HajimEmashite.

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

Originally posted by chithappens
I agree for the most part, but this particular analogy is debateable. Germany WAS dangerous simply because they WANTED revenge on the rest of the world who screwed them with the Treaty of Versailles. Hitler took advantage so on and so on, but generally I do agree.

Calling those who are not able to "rise above their situation" stupid, not so much. You mean the masses, I understand, but it is just that not everyone is unaware; hence, this exchange in convo. A lot of the stuff that "distracts" people is dumb and that is where your argument is - again, I agree.

I feel I should post a smiley here . . .

Originally posted by chithappens
There is no way around that but there needs to be a cohesive understanding of what "actually" happened rather than a bullshit, bias fantasy where Europeans made every damn thing and fashioned the rest of the world. They want to marvel at the art and structures but give no other civilizations credit for anything. I don't just mean Africans. I mean no one!

I think you're exaggerating slightly but yes that is basicly true.

However it's hardly limited to Europe.

Originally posted by chithappens
So is a fabricated lie told as the past just ok?

Intentionally fabricated? No.

History is a confused mess. It would be great to have a better picture of it but a lot of evidence vanishes.

I do agree that there should be an effort to point out what Europe did and did not actually do.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

Well one can dream . . . or wait for aliens to attack.

Sigh, that might be the only thing that works.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

My problem is with undue focus on the past.

There really is something to be said for getting over it, "forgive but never forget". People that obsess over the past often ignore that things actually have changed since then.

Well I don't want to give the impression that I have seen no progress at all. I still maintain that there are probably as many racist white people now as there were in the 50s; same amount don't care about what race a person is (proportionally speaking of course), so on for blacks and on and on. I don't think there were as many white people who hated blacks as the current media makes it out, or that the majority of blacks were marching during the civil rights movement.

I just wish that we could get same accurate facts out. I have the same beef with the church and the # of "understandings of the Bible" like it's based on probability. That is supposed to be a book of fact. 🤣

Originally posted by chithappens
Sadly, you missed some pretty decent deduction on both sides along with a joke of plagirism.

You did not read it, that's fine but don't expect me to think your opinion has any ground to stand on if you do not even bother to see what others are saying.

😆

My opinion has plenty of ground.
Because all my opinion consists of is that racism is stupid. That's all. 😎

Racism=stupidity 👇

We're all humans and discrimination because of skin color is just idiotic. *shrug* There's plenty of ground on that my freaky darlings. 💃

And the fact that you're arguing that racism ISN'T stupid just goes to show what kind of ignoramus you really are. 😛

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

I think you're exaggerating slightly but yes that is basicly true.

However it's hardly limited to Europe.

Maybe slightly but I have never seen sources (in mass production) outside of the U.S. or Europe. Those in the U.S. or Europe are so damn bias (by contrast, some of my more reliable sources have come from the U.S. and Europe by individual historians who's stuff matches up with international data).

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

Intentionally fabricated? No.

History is a confused mess. It would be great to have a better picture of it but a lot of evidence vanishes.

I do agree that there should be an effort to point out what Europe did and did not actually do.

Yeah, history is some of everywhere but it seems like it was done on purpose.

I think that not just Europe should be clarified, but everywhere. It still seems to most people that Africans and Native Americans were savages, and that Asians were only samurai and ninjas.

Originally posted by Onitsu

And the fact that you're arguing that racism ISN'T stupid just goes to show what kind of ignoramus you really are. 😛

Where did I say racism is not stupid? Please quote me.

Originally posted by InnerRise
Kochira Doso HajimEmashite.

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

Wakarimasen...

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Er wait...

Hai, wakarimasu...

Originally posted by Creshosk
Wakarimasen...

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Er wait...

Hai, wakarimasu...

Sumimasen. I kept getting caught up in all the posts plus I'm trying to read the Naruto raw.

I'm rusty as hell. I need more practice. 🙁

Originally posted by Creshosk
Wakarimasen...

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Er wait...

Hai, wakarimasu...

Originally posted by chithappens
Sumimasen. I kept getting caught up in all the posts plus I'm trying to read the Naruto raw.

I'm rusty as hell. I need more practice. 🙁

anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

Originally posted by chithappens
Sumimasen. I kept getting caught up in all the posts plus I'm trying to read the Naruto raw.

I'm rusty as hell. I need more practice. 🙁

"If we ever catch you sniffing around our girls again, we'll beat you to a pulp, comprende?"
"Everything but comprende."

I caught that much LOL.

I miss that damn show. You got the DVD yet?

Edit: Oh and Naruto and the Bleach manga are pissing me off. Both have godly characters and are basically repeating arcs. Ugh!

Originally posted by 2damnloud
For white people, race functions as a large ensemble of practices and rules that give white people all sorts of small and large advantages in life. Whiteness is the source of many privileges, which is one reason people have trouble giving it up. It is important to stress that to criticize whiteness is not necessarily to engage in a massive orchestration of guilt. Guilt is often a distracting and mistaken emotion, especially when it comes to race. White people are fond of pointing out that as individuals they have never practiced discrimination, or that their ancestors never owned slaves. White people tend to cast the question of race in terms of guilt in part because of the American ideology of individualism, by which I mean our tendency to want to believe that individuals determine their own destinies and responsibilities. In this sense it is un-American to insist that white Americans benefit every day from their whiteness, whether or not they intend to do so. But that is the reality. Guilt, then, has nothing to do with whiteness in this sense of benefitting from structural racism and built-in privileges. I may not intend anything racial when I apply for a loan, or walk into a store, or hail a cab, or ask for a job -- but in every circumstance my whiteness will play a role in the outcome, however "liberal" or "anti-racist" I imagine myself to be. White men have enormous economic advantages because of the disadvantages faced by women and minorities, no matter what any individual white men may intend. If discrimination means that fewer qualified applicants compete with you for the job, you benefit. You do not have to be a racist to benefit from being white. You just have to look the part.

http://www.uwm.edu/~gjay/Whiteness/Whitenesstalk.html

word for word

Originally posted by Schecter
http://www.uwm.edu/~gjay/Whiteness/Whitenesstalk.html

word for word

Originally posted by Schecter
http://www.uwm.edu/~gjay/Whiteness/Whitenesstalk.html

word for word

What a jeb end. He should be banned, immediately; if he isn't then I feel a lot of people here shouldn't have been banned.