He's beatable. He's never really lost when it matters but he's lost when it didn't. Kimimaro, Orochimaru, Zabuza, Sasuke. He's lost those. And now that he's basically refusing Kyuubi's help he's going to have to get strong by himself. Which doesn't seem to much of a problem since he still has large chakra without Kyuubi taking over.
Originally posted by King KandyIt's been said that he has a large chakra capacity even without Kyuubi.
He has a large Chakra because of the Kyuubi.
Originally posted by King KandyWhen is it ever said Sasuke trains harder? Sasuke isn't the only one with a goal to achieve.
And if Sasuke had Yondaime as a father, he'd be 3 times as strong as a Yondaime-Trained Naruto. Why? Because he works harder!
Originally posted by KentoHOw can they make that assumption when he was fused with the Kyuubi at birth? I doubt they checked his capacity at birth the Kyuubi made his capacity what it is thats a fact not speculation.
It's been said that he has a large chakra capacity even without Kyuubi. When is it ever said Sasuke trains harder? Sasuke isn't the only one with a goal to achieve.
Originally posted by Kento
It's been said that he has a large chakra capacity even without Kyuubi. When is it ever said Sasuke trains harder? Sasuke isn't the only one with a goal to achieve.
And we know Sasuke trains harder because we've seen him doing it... Fireball Jutsue etc.
Originally posted by King KandyNo we saw Naruto unable to mold any chakra correctly because Orochimaru sealing Kyuubi threw everything out of whack. He was still able to create shadow clones like they were nothing and beat Kiba without Kyuubi.
Naruto, has his Chakra meshed by the Kyuubi. We saw his Chakra supply by itself... When Orochimaru cut of the Kyuubi Chakra.And we know Sasuke trains harder because we've seen him doing it... Fireball Jutsue etc.
And it shows Sasuke doing one thing as a kid to impress his father and suddenly he trains harder than anybody? It never shows what Naruto did as a kid that much except watching everybody else be happy with their family and hating him for reasons he never understood.
Originally posted by iceman24567Kakashi said it. When they were training to put the wind element into the Rasengan. I can't remember what he said exactly but it was something about how he has a large chakra supply of his own without Kyuubi. That's why they were using Yamato to supress Kyuubi while he train
HOw can they make that assumption when he was fused with the Kyuubi at birth? I doubt they checked his capacity at birth the Kyuubi made his capacity what it is thats a fact not speculation.
Originally posted by KentoLike i said Naruto's chakra is ALWAYS mixed with the Kyuubi it's a part of him now just like Gaara he can still use his sand powers without the demon because some of the demons chakra was always mixed with his. Violent2Dope you are a troll his name is Sasuke and he does train harder than Naruto.
No we saw Naruto unable to mold any chakra correctly because Orochimaru sealing Kyuubi threw everything out of whack. He was still able to create shadow clones like they were nothing and beat Kiba without Kyuubi.And it shows Sasuke doing one thing as a kid to impress his father and suddenly he trains harder than anybody? It never shows what Naruto did as a kid that much except watching everybody else be happy with their family and hating him for reasons he never understood. Kakashi said it. When they were training to put the wind element into the Rasengan. I can't remember what he said exactly but it was something about how he has a large chakra supply of his own without Kyuubi. That's why they were using Yamato to supress Kyuubi while he train
Originally posted by iceman24567Kakashi said without using Kyuubi Naruto has more chakra than him. He doesn't always draw upon the Kyuubi's chakra. They both have two different chakra and he uses his own most of the time. He did all the training with Yamato and Kakashi without using Kyuubi at all since Yamato kept repressing it. Jiraiya even pushed him off that cliff to get Naruto to use Kyuubi chakra since he can't use it normally.They are not one and the same.
Like i said Naruto's chakra is ALWAYS mixed with the Kyuubi it's a part of him now just like Gaara he can still use his sand powers without the demon because some of the demons chakra was always mixed with his. Violent2Dope you are a troll his name is Sasuke and he does train harder than Naruto.
And Sasuke does not train harder than Naruto. The tree climbing deal should easily have put that out the window and that was even before Naruto ever used the Kyuubi's power. He has a large chakra supply of his own and the stamina to back it up which is probably the only reason he was able to keep up with Sasuke in getting to the top. Then there is the summoning training, the Rasengan training, and the putting wind element into Rasengan training that he did.
Originally posted by KentoDo you want me to find it in writting? Some of the Kyuubis chakra is fused with Narutos at all times increasing his capacity like i said as far as training that's strictly up to opinion i guess.
Kakashi said without using Kyuubi Naruto has more chakra than him. He doesn't always draw upon the Kyuubi's chakra. They both have two different chakra and he uses his own most of the time. He did all the training with Yamato and Kakashi without using Kyuubi at all since Yamato kept repressing it. Jiraiya even pushed him off that cliff to get Naruto to use Kyuubi chakra since he can't use it normally.They are not one and the same.And Sasuke does not train harder than Naruto. The tree climbing deal should easily have put that out the window and that was even before Naruto ever used the Kyuubi's power. He has a large chakra supply of his own and the stamina to back it up which is probably the only reason he was able to keep up with Sasuke in getting to the top. Then there is the summoning training, the Rasengan training, and the putting wind element into Rasengan training that he did.
Originally posted by KentoIt was stated in the manga that his NORMAL chakra, without the Kyuubi's at all, was twice that of Kakashi's.
[B]He's beatable. He's never really lost when it matters but he's lost when it didn't. Kimimaro, Orochimaru, Zabuza, Sasuke.He was in the process of losing to Kimimaro before Lee showed up, that doesn't mean he lost the match. In almost all of his matches he starts off losing but eventually beats his opponent, I'm pretty sure he was restrained by Yamato. He forced him to revert back. Otherwise, he wasn't beaten. Last I checked Naruto and Sasuke did what they were suppsoed to do, free Kakashi, and then kakashi whooped his ass. And Naruto threw the fight with Sasuke.He only lost because he wasn't willing to go the extra step, like Sasuke was. He wasn't giving his all.
[quote]And now that he's basically refusing Kyuubi's help he's going to have to get strong by himself. Which doesn't seem to much of a problem since he still has large chakra without Kyuubi taking over. he does.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Do you want me to find it in writting? Some of the Kyuubis chakra is fused with Narutos at all times increasing his capacity like i said as far as training that's strictly up to opinion i guess.
Prove it.
And Orcihimaru's word is not > Kakashi's. Also Naruto's training to learn the Rasengan > Anything we've seen Sausgay do.
Not really. Seeing as how Kakashi has actually spent more time then either of them with Naruto he would have a clearer understanding of his anatomy, as opposed to Orichimaru who sees and interacts with Naruto every other arc. And too my knowledge Jiraiya has never directly stated that without the Kyuubi Naruto's chakra would be "normal". It HAS been stated, however, that Naruto's normal non-enhanced chakra is twice that of kakashi's. If he says otherwise, show me proof.