Superman can defeat them all... Thor, Hulk, Gladiator, Hyperion, etc.

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
My friend you never cease to amaze me. For the most part, i'd agree that most of what you said was valid ...BUT..... what happens when DD dies?

He comes back immune to the way he died before correct?
When Supes comes back and beats DD for no apparent reason other than readers choice and comic sales, you have to ask yourself....why?

I aint a rocket scientist but damn man, please show an explanation of why and how Superman can simply beat someone that he couldn't beat before.

Remember when Lobo took him to school and kicked that ass in a bar fight then all of a sudden the issue was remade and Superman wins LOL cmon man call it what it is.

Superman in the early days couldnt fly but he kicked ass. I disagree with your statement of how he got stronger, back in the day he was ruthless and was feared. now hes a "good" standing citizen and as Lobo said, he fights like a butler.

Superman is still feared by his enemies and beating DD is perfectly logical. As you said he becomes immune to what killed him before, technically Superman didn't kill him until he came back and beat him so no immunity. Heroes usually beat a villain that has beaten them before. Hulk beat Juggernaut right?

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
My friend you never cease to amaze me. For the most part, i'd agree that most of what you said was valid ...BUT..... what happens when DD dies?

He comes back immune to the way he died before correct?
When Supes comes back and beats DD for no apparent reason other than readers choice and comic sales, you have to ask yourself....why?

I aint a rocket scientist but damn man, please show an explanation of why and how Superman can simply beat someone that he couldn't beat before.

Remember when Lobo took him to school and kicked that ass in a bar fight then all of a sudden the issue was remade and Superman wins LOL cmon man call it what it is.

Superman in the early days couldnt fly but he kicked ass. I disagree with your statement of how he got stronger, back in the day he was ruthless and was feared. now hes a "good" standing citizen and as Lobo said, he fights like a butler.

Let me break it up for you. Pre-Crisis Superman, AKA Silver Age Superman; this dude is the one you are talking about in your last paragraph. Yeah, he wa sso much more stronger then the current Superman and he is even more stronger then the one who fought Doomsday.
This dude used to move planets, toss moons, destroying solar systems for play!! He had the power to move through time just by punching in thin air. Basically, this dude was a beast.

However, after COIE(story), they changed Superman(used an alternative Superman). This dude was weaker and is the one that died in the Death of Superman Arc against Doomsday.

Later on, when Superman comes back, he is upgraded throughout the years. For example: He gets more exposed to the sun, and he gets a defense upgrade against Magic...etc. Get it so far?

As for the issue with Doomsday, this is my theory.

Doomsday evolves from whatever kills him in his previous life. However, he can even evolve during a fight. Now this is my theory which I believe is very good.

Whenever he dies, he becomes immune to the level of whatever killed him. For example: When Superman kills him, used used the power of one Kryptonian. Later on, Superman gets stronger and has the power to kill him because Superman's strength level increased. Another example is how the Kryptonians in the Action Comic killed him. Obviously, they attacked him together so the level was stronger then that of what killed him before.

Now the most important thing to note is that this is comic. The enemies are just villains they are nemesis'. What kind of government wouldn't kill Joker, or any other dangerous villain? Instead they keep locking them back up and soon after, they get out again. That just doesn't make sense, but it comics. They make money by making characters that never die, and if they do die, they usually comes back.

Also, Superman usually fights character but pulls his punches. He doesn't want to hurt them, or worse, kill them. So when he loses the first time, he redeems himself the next time. The perfect examples are the one with Lobo that you said, and Doomsday. In Death Of Superman, Superman fight Doomsday, but doesn't intend on killing him. However, that changes at the last minute where Superman realizes that Doomsday is a monster that doesn't know pain, or fear. So in response Superman uses all his remaining strength to and attempt a vital attack. That's where they both die.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Superman is still feared by his enemies and beating DD is perfectly logical. As you said he becomes immune to what killed him before, technically Superman didn't kill him until he came back and beat him so no immunity. Heroes usually beat a villain that has beaten them before. Hulk beat Juggernaut right?

Man you cannot logically explain DD breaking his fist on Superman's chest.
He is NOT feared by all by a long shot hommie. Hell even Lex Luthor laughs at the sight of him.

Ok, i'll give you the DD didn't die which brings up a whole nother issue, like bringing Superman Back to life? LOL I love "i win" buttons.

DD came back just fine -n- dandy without machines and or spirit merging oh and "sunshine" .

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Let me break it up for you. Pre-Crisis Superman, AKA Silver Age Superman; this dude is the one you are talking about in your last paragraph. Yeah, he wa sso much more stronger then the current Superman and he is even more stronger then the one who fought Doomsday.
This dude used to move planets, toss moons, destroying solar systems for play!! He had the power to move through time just by punching in thin air. Basically, this dude was a beast.

However, after COIE(story), they changed Superman(used an alternative Superman). This dude was weaker and is the one that died in the Death of Superman Arc against Doomsday.

Later on, when Superman comes back, he is upgraded throughout the years. For example: He gets more exposed to the sun, and he gets a defense upgrade against Magic...etc. Get it so far?

As for the issue with Doomsday, this is my theory.

Doomsday evolves from whatever kills him in his previous life. However, he can even evolve during a fight. Now this is my theory which I believe is very good.

Whenever he dies, he becomes immune to the level of whatever killed him. For example: When Superman kills him, used used the power of one Kryptonian. Later on, Superman gets stronger and has the power to kill him because Superman's strength level increased. Another example is how the Kryptonians in the Action Comic killed him. Obviously, they attacked him together so the level was stronger then that of what killed him before.

Now the most important thing to note is that this is comic. The enemies are just villains they are nemesis'. What kind of government wouldn't kill Joker, or any other dangerous villain? Instead they keep locking them back up and soon after, they get out again. That just doesn't make sense, but it comics. They make money by making characters that never die, and if they do die, they usually comes back.

Also, Superman usually fights character but pulls his punches. He doesn't want to hurt them, or worse, kill them. So when he loses the first time, he redeems himself the next time. The perfect examples are the one with Lobo that you said, and Doomsday. In Death Of Superman, Superman fight Doomsday, but doesn't intend on killing him. However, that changes at the last minute where Superman realizes that Doomsday is a monster that doesn't know pain, or fear. So in response Superman uses all his remaining strength to and attempt a vital attack. That's where they both die.

So basically your saying Supes needs a tanning bed before he can kick ass?
I hate to break the news for you but when the world is under duress, we aint got time to lay out in the sun.

Now I know these are just comics but my argument is with the BIASED opinion of Supes being the ultimate warrior and I find that appalling.

This brings to point why in the "readers choice" Hulk loses to Superman but you know like I know, Hulk owns that cape and I have not seen anything else to say otherwise.

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
So basically your saying Supes needs a tanning bed before he can kick ass?
I hate to break the news for you but when the world is under duress, we aint got time to lay out in the sun.

Now I know these are just comics but my argument is with the BIASED opinion of Supes being the ultimate warrior and I find that appalling.

This brings to point why in the "readers choice" Hulk loses to Superman but you know like I know, Hulk owns that cape and I have not seen anything else to say otherwise.

Any ways, Superman's power require the Sun. He is very much like a tree. He can store as much as energy as he wants. Then he can use it whenever he need it. His fight with Doomsday made him lose tremendous amount of his power. That's why he need sun exposure.

Superman however can fight without the need of the sun. Once, in a comic, he fought in a 1000 year war. Yeah, that's a lot!!

Did you ever wonder why Superman was so powerful in the comic Our World At War? He took a few seconds of Sun dip. The result was crazy. Why? Obviously, the amount of sun exposure inside the sun is a lot more then in earth atmosphere. Considering that earth's Ozone layer block a of rays.

Now I am confused by your last sentence. Are you still saying Superman loses to Hulk? Didn't I prove your argument wrong? Do you have other proof?

Here is my take on Superman Vs Hulk.
Superman can beat Hulk if he fight without pulling his punches. If superman fights they way he fought Doomsday, or Darkseid, then he wins. However, if he pulls his punches, and slugs it out with Hulk (punch for punch), then after a while, Hulk will gain a good advantage. Eventually, Hulk would get stronger then Superman, and Superman on the other hand, would tire, or just stay in the same level.

Originally posted by jalek moye
lol actually that picture wasn't fake, it just wasn't hulk it was young Frankenstien

the picture i am referring is a doctored picture of young frank edited to look more like hulk. someone later came in and posted an unedited original comic panel..............to everyone's dismay 😮

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Superman ultimate warrior? I doubt it. However, he sure does come close to it. I had to write an essay about how Superman influences modern world; believe me you would be surprised.

Any ways, Superman's power require the Sun. He is very much like a tree. He can store as much as energy as he wants. Then he can use it whenever he need it. His fight with Doomsday made him lose tremendous amount of his power. That's why he need sun exposure.

Superman however can fight without the need of the sun. Once, in a comic, he fought in a 1000 year war. Yeah, that's a lot!!

Did you ever wonder why Superman was so powerful in the comic Our World At War? He took a few seconds of Sun dip. The result was crazy. Why? Obviously, the amount of sun exposure inside the sun is a lot more then in earth atmosphere. Considering that earth's Ozone layer block a of rays.

Now I am confused by your last sentence. Are you still saying Superman loses to Hulk? Didn't I prove your argument wrong? Do you have other proof?

Here is my take on Superman Vs Hulk.
Superman can beat Hulk if he fight without pulling his punches. If superman fights they way he fought Doomsday, or Darkseid, then he wins. However, if he pulls his punches, and slugs it out with Hulk (punch for punch), then after a while, Hulk will gain a good advantage. Eventually, Hulk would get stronger then Superman, and Superman on the other hand, would tire, or just stay in the same level.

With the tanning sun bath he becomes damn near invincible if I'm following you. LOL

I'll first say that Darkseid would eradicate superman if he felt like it. simply because of his powers to bend and twist reality. nuff said.

Being the cognoscente man in the comic universe that you are.
you know that Hulk gets stronger as he gets pissed and slugging it out aint a good idea.

The Sun Bath is a later "thing" added to Superman's array of boosting his stats.

Don't get me wrong, I got love for Supes but as I have stated time and time again, he best fight is against street criminals and possibly BatMan.

Put Kal-El in a cosmic fight with powers unleashed he'll get owned.
A sun bath would help him lick his wounds but man ....LOL ... hell come back to earth with both ars broke from messin with the Hulk. DD was a weaker version of the Hulk in my opinion but it is what it is.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Superman ultimate warrior? I doubt it. However, he sure does come close to it. I had to write an essay about how Superman influences modern world; believe me you would be surprised.

Any ways, Superman's power require the Sun. He is very much like a tree. He can store as much as energy as he wants. Then he can use it whenever he need it. His fight with Doomsday made him lose tremendous amount of his power. That's why he need sun exposure.

Superman however can fight without the need of the sun. Once, in a comic, he fought in a 1000 year war. Yeah, that's a lot!!

Did you ever wonder why Superman was so powerful in the comic Our World At War? He took a few seconds of Sun dip. The result was crazy. Why? Obviously, the amount of sun exposure inside the sun is a lot more then in earth atmosphere. Considering that earth's Ozone layer block a of rays.

Now I am confused by your last sentence. Are you still saying Superman loses to Hulk? Didn't I prove your argument wrong? Do you have other proof?

Here is my take on Superman Vs Hulk.
Superman can beat Hulk if he fight without pulling his punches. If superman fights they way he fought Doomsday, or Darkseid, then he wins. However, if he pulls his punches, and slugs it out with Hulk (punch for punch), then after a while, Hulk will gain a good advantage. Eventually, Hulk would get stronger then Superman, and Superman on the other hand, would tire, or just stay in the same level.

superman does influence the alot of people, kinda like mickey mouse. they both are considered originals in their medium and very popular.
this whole sun dipping thing is fairly new and quite ridiculous. just another expansion on an overpowered character.
folks need to understand that hulk's anger is not a meter, doesn't work like dragonball z. his anger and strength increase are instant. it just really depends on what pisses him off and how much. you never know how strong hulk is when he starts off.

i base my supes vs hulk analysis on the fact that 90% of the time supes fist fights his opponents. the only time you hear about him "pulling his punches" is after the fact.

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
With the tanning sun bath he becomes damn near invincible if I'm following you. LOL

I'll first say that Darkseid would eradicate superman if he felt like it. simply because of his powers to bend and twist reality. nuff said.

Being the cognoscente man in the comic universe that you are.
you know that Hulk gets stronger as he gets pissed and slugging it out aint a good idea.

The Sun Bath is a later "thing" added to Superman's array of boosting his stats.

Don't get me wrong, I got love for Supes but as I have stated time and time again, he best fight is against street criminals and possibly BatMan.

Put Kal-El in a cosmic fight with powers unleashed he'll get owned.
A sun bath would help him lick his wounds but man ....LOL ... hell come back to earth with both ars broke from messin with the Hulk. DD was a weaker version of the Hulk in my opinion but it is what it is.

you have a point, if you make a chart of each's abilities and put them side by side you'll see that supes shouldn't be beating darkseid or doomsday in a fight.

Originally posted by jedi90
you have a point, if you make a chart of each's abilities and put them side by side you'll see that supes shouldn't be beating darkseid or doomsday in a fight.

Powers don't make the character, who they are and how they use it. How do you think Batman beats people with powers?

i meant to bring this up earlier but how can you guys think supes can beat thor but not wonder woman? thor is a trained warrior too and a god with magical abilities.

Originally posted by jedi90
you have a point, if you make a chart of each's abilities and put them side by side you'll see that supes shouldn't be beating darkseid or doomsday in a fight.

Man all I'm saying is this,

Look at the cartoon "Ultimate Avengers". Yes its a cartoon but they showed Hulk's potential.

Just in case some of you fine gentlemen missed it, Hulk (single handed) bashed the alien invasion and asked for seconds.

Then proceeded to smash the Avengers team all together.

Then end result was his girly friend doctor calming him down so they could detain him. it was a sight to see.

I hate to use cartoons as an example but that's what it is. anger mismanagement with green skin at it's best.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Powers don't make the character, who they are and how they use it. How do you think Batman beats people with powers?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Powers don't make the character, who they are and how they use it. How do you think Batman beats people with powers?

Brotha man, Batman is a different case.

He has the uncanny ability to "think" and ability to fight using his HEAD.

Batman aint gonna fight the Hulk head on for example. Hed look up his weaknesses before anything and devise a plan of action.

I understand your debacle but the Batman is the Batman and he fights crime in the streets, not cosmic.

Originally posted by jedi90
with tons of money and gadets. he tried to fight darkseid recently and got destroyed.

But to make your case, the name Super Man is derived from superhuman powers. basically powers of a human but multiplied thousands of times.

In other words, the powers do make the character.

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
But to make your case, the name Super Man is derived from superhuman powers. basically powers of a human but multiplied thousands of times.

In other words, the powers do make the character.

this "vs" thread is on the basis of his powers and how he could beat "everyone" because of them. we're not talking about his character.

Originally posted by jedi90
this "vs" thread is on the basis of his powers and how he could beat "everyone" because of them. we're not talking about his character.

We know that Jedi but someone had to bring it up.

And as usual, i win the argument.

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
We know that Jedi but someone had to bring it up.

And as usual, i win the argument.

"hmph, right you are ken"

Originally posted by jedi90
i meant to bring this up earlier but how can you guys think supes can beat thor but not wonder woman? thor is a trained warrior too and a god with magical abilities.

Superman can beat WW. She is a better fighter, with better reaction speed, but he is stronger and faster offensively.

Originally posted by jedi90
with tons of money and gadets. he tried to fight darkseid recently and got destroyed.

No one never said he could beat DS, but he has beaten superhuman characters like Killer Croc, a weakened Solomon Grundy who was still strong and above superhuman stats and Deathstroke.

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
But to make your case, the name Super Man is derived from superhuman powers. basically powers of a human but multiplied thousands of times.

In other words, the powers do make the character.

No powers don't. Are you saying Superman's powers makes him the character that he is because of his name?

Apocalypse has many abilities over Magneto and Erik has beaten twice.

Originally posted by jedi90
this "vs" thread is on the basis of his powers and how he could beat "everyone" because of them. we're not talking about his character.

No its about how he uses those powers, no one argues that Superman has flight, HV, superstrength etc, so he automatically defeats Juggernaut, because none of Superman's powers would help him win against Cain.