Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Superman can beat WW. She is a better fighter, with better reaction speed, but he is stronger and faster offensively.No one never said he could beat DS, but he has beaten superhuman characters like Killer Croc, a weakened Solomon Grundy who was still strong and above superhuman stats and Deathstroke.
No powers don't. Are you saying Superman's powers makes him the character that he is because of his name?
Apocalypse has many abilities over Magneto and Erik has beaten twice.
OK OK let me slow this down my friend.
Superman = super human abilities hence his powers make him who he is.
Batman= stealthy, silent, nocturnal.
Hulk= brute, tank,powerful.
Now do you understand what i'm saying?
I'll sign your comic diploma tomorrow after my morning Coffee.
Originally posted by Scarlet Fox
...wouldnt Batman beat Superman?I mean come on! Hes a Bloody Batman, Look at him!
Batman ALWAYS has Kyrptonite!!!
winner.
FWI: I didnt look at any other posts before i did this one and i dont plan on looking at it again so..... =P
Fox honestly I agree because Batman is way more cunning but in a toe to toe Bruce would DIE.
But then again, Bruce is way smarter than that so Batman wins because I said so.
Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
OK OK let me slow this down my friend.Superman = super human abilities hence his powers make him who he is.
Batman= stealthy, silent, nocturnal.
Hulk= brute, tank,powerful.
Now do you understand what i'm saying?
I'll sign your comic diploma tomorrow after my morning Coffee.
Whoa, and the insults start.
First of all, every superhero has superhuman abilities. Also Bats aren't stealthy nor silent, they make plenty of noises when they attack/fly around.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
No its about how he uses those powers, no one argues that Superman has flight, HV, superstrength etc, so he automatically defeats Juggernaut, because none of Superman's powers would help him win against Cain.
apparently you didn't read the early part of this thread because that's exactly what they suggested. i don't supes could beat cain either nor hulk. but thor is the only one that should be able to beat supes consistently.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Whoa, and the insults start.First of all, every superhero has superhuman abilities. Also Bats aren't stealthy nor silent, they make plenty of noises when they attack/fly around.
LOL man you wanted my attention, you got it.
You stated that every superhero has super human powers right?
Iron man
bat man
for instance aint got no (double negative) super human powers. They do Kick ass however.
And yes Bats make a squeak but Jesus man I never hear them because I never hang out in caves.
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Originally posted by jedi90
apparently you didn't read the early part of this thread because that's exactly what they suggested. i don't supes could beat cain either nor hulk. but thor is the only one that should be able to beat supes consistently.
Just FYI, I am also against those who think Superman is the end all be all of heroes. He isn't unbeatable. Supes could rock Hulk and BFR Cain only.
Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
LOL man you wanted my attention, you got it.You stated that every superhero has super human powers right?
Iron man
bat man
for instance aint got no (double negative) super human powers. They do Kick ass however.And yes Bats make a squeak but Jesus man I never hear them because I never hang out in caves.
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Batman is not a superhero, he is a hero. Extremis Iron Man would be a superhero, but regular Iron Man is hero with super suit.
I'm not even going to address anything below the rest of your post.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Superman can beat WW. She is a better fighter, with better reaction speed, but he is stronger and faster offensively.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
No one never said he could beat DS, but he has beaten superhuman characters like Killer Croc, a weakened Solomon Grundy who was still strong and above superhuman stats and Deathstroke.
yeah, with gadgets and tricks. when in doubt he just buys whatever tech he needs. if his money ever ran out he would be in a world of sh*&
Originally posted by jedi90
the only thing i agree with is that WW is a better fighter. other than that supes shouldn't be taking fight lessons from someone he clearly outclasses. you guys tried to argue me down about how WW can beat superman.yeah, with gadgets and tricks. when in doubt he just buys whatever tech he needs.
He only outclasses her in strength and offensive speed imo. Say they were to fight under a light that brought all of their stats to be equal then WW would win due to superior MA ability and reflexes.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Just FYI, I am also against those who think Superman is the end all be all of heroes. He isn't unbeatable. Supes could rock Hulk and BFR Cain only.Batman is not a superhero, he is a hero. Extremis Iron Man would be a superhero, but regular Iron Man is hero with super suit.
I'm not even going to address anything below the rest of your post.
Reticence isn't in your personality at all I see.
Please explain how Clarke beats The Hulk.
Please keep in mind that the Hulks level of pissivity multiplies his strength.
And he needs not take a sun bath.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Just FYI, I am also against those who think Superman is the end all be all of heroes. He isn't unbeatable. Supes could rock Hulk and BFR Cain only.
at least you're reasonable then. i can only read the superman "event" stories or "specials" cause he is so horribly written and boring to read nowadays.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
He only outclasses her in strength and offensive speed imo. Say they were to fight under a light that brought all of their stats to be equal then WW would win due to superior MA ability and reflexes.
skill vs skill WW would break his Jaw but due to popular demand, Superman aint losing a fight.
Supes is the peoples champ so likewise he is supposed to win.
Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
Reticence isn't in your personality at all I see.Please explain how Clarke beats The Hulk.
Please keep in mind that the Hulks level of pissivity multiplies his strength.
And he needs not take a sun bath.
lets see, Savage Hulk at best starts at 100 tons, this is current Hulk as well, so this is the one in discussion. Clark on a regular day starts above 100 tons. He has superior speed, and h2h abilities. The ability of flight gives him an advantage as well. His HV can exceed the temperatures of the sun...Hulk has yet to prove that he can survive the sun. Clark has a whole range of abilities to use and BFR is also an option here. All versions of Hulk has been KO'd as well. Superman could pull a Juggernaut and beat his face in before he can regenerate. Cain who is slower and stronger was able to do so, so why can't Clark?
Originally posted by jedi90
yeah, with gadgets and tricks. when in doubt he just buys whatever tech he needs. if his money ever ran out he would be in a world of sh*&
Do you even know how he beat these people or are you just assuming he used gadgets and tricks? Tell me the exact gadgets and tricks he used to beat these people please?
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
lets see, Savage Hulk at best starts at 100 tons, this is current Hulk as well, so this is the one in discussion. Clark on a regular day starts above 100 tons. He has superior speed, and h2h abilities. The ability of flight gives him an advantage as well. His HV can exceed the temperatures of the sun...Hulk has yet to prove that he can survive the sun. Clark has a whole range of abilities to use and BFR is also an option here. All versions of Hulk has been KO'd as well. Superman could pull a Juggernaut and beat his face in before he can regenerate. Cain who is slower and stronger was able to do so, so why can't Clark?
Your correct sir, All versions of the Hulk have had the shit kicked out of them but lets look at the facts.
A writer writes the story to make money and of course if the hero wins all the time then guess what.....revenue goes down so of course they have to make him lose.
Now on the other hand you have his REAL ABILITIES in opposed to the story lines. Basically can be damn near invincible but for marketing purposes they cant do that.
You know this yourself, as a Comic fan you know thats why they killed Supes in the first place $$$$$$$$$.
Power vs power is my argument not issue vs issue.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Do you even know how he beat these people or are you just assuming he used gadgets and tricks? Tell me the exact gadgets and tricks he used to beat these people please?
in superman/batman (public enemies) he gassed grundy with a "gadget in his mask." the last fight i read about with batman beating deathstroke he had help from robin and nightwing.
Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
Your correct sir, All versions of the Hulk have had the shit kicked out of them but lets look at the facts.A writer writes the story to make money and of course if the hero wins all the time then guess what.....revenue goes down so of course they have to make him lose.
Now on the other hand you have his REAL ABILITIES in opposed to the story lines. Basically can be damn near invincible but for marketing purposes they cant do that.
You know this yourself, as a Comic fan you know thats why they killed Supes in the first place $$$$$$$$$.
Power vs power is my argument not issue vs issue.
We don't argue, issue vs issue nor power vs power, we argue what they are able to do with their powers, we base our arguments off of feats here. Are you going to say that Cain only beat Hulk because of storyline reasons and money? He beat him because he was stronger and he outsmarted him. Are you going to claim that every victory over Hulk is because of PIS? Cain is far greater and more durable than Hulk will ever be, he drills him in a non plot induced battle.
Also Hulk is nowhere near invincible, his durability is nowhere near the limit of other top tiers.