Superman can defeat them all... Thor, Hulk, Gladiator, Hyperion, etc.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
lets see, Savage Hulk at best starts at 100 tons, this is current Hulk as well, so this is the one in discussion. Clark on a regular day starts above 100 tons. He has superior speed, and h2h abilities. The ability of flight gives him an advantage as well. His HV can exceed the temperatures of the sun...Hulk has yet to prove that he can survive the sun. Clark has a whole range of abilities to use and BFR is also an option here. All versions of Hulk has been KO'd as well. Superman could pull a Juggernaut and beat his face in before he can regenerate. Cain who is slower and stronger was able to do so, so why can't Clark?

hulk's regeneration is alot more powerful than you think. he has survived temps that high and has been reduced to almost a skeleton and came back instantly.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
How did he beat him? What fancy gadget?

don't know, you tell me.

Originally posted by jedi90
hulk's regeneration is alot more powerful than you think. he has survived temps that high and has been reduced to almost a skeleton and came back instantly.

Rengeneration is not the same as durability.

Originally posted by jedi90
don't know, you tell me.

Grenade to the mouth.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Rengeneration is not the same as durability.

Grenade to the mouth.

The Hulk regens in seconds according to "hulk vol 2" after being flayed bt Vector.

So in that sense, Yes a super fast regen can be considered almost invincible.

Also to quote myself, The story writers do make power adjustments depending on emotion and story line hence the Hero or villian healing, fighting and or losing a battle.

Yes my friend, the writers determine who will win by their own accord and powers are limited to the writers will.

An earlier statement from someone was about Hulks durability to temprature. well sportsfans here you go:

Powers and abilities of HULK !!!!!

The Hulk possesses the potential for near-limitless physical strength depending directly on his emotional state, particularly his anger. This has been reflected in the repeated comment "The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets." The entity Beyonder once claimed that the Hulk's potential strength had "no finite element inside".[40] His durability, healing, and endurance also increase in proportion to his temper.[41] Greg Pak described the Hulk shown during World War Hulk as having a level of physical power where "Hulk was stronger than any mortal --and most immortals-- who ever walked the Earth." [42]

The Hulk is resistant to most forms of injury or damage. The extent varies between interpretations, but he has withstood the equivalent of inner solar temperatures,[43] nuclear explosions,[44] and planet-splitting impacts.[45] He has been shown to have both regenerative and adaptive healing abilities, including growing tissues to allow him to breathe underwater,[46] surviving unprotected in space for extended periods (yet still eventually needing to breathe),[47] and when injured, healing from most wounds within seconds.[48]

His powerful legs allow him to leap into lower Earth orbit or across continents,[49] and he has displayed sufficient superhuman speed to match Thor,[50] or the Sentry.[51] He also has less commonly described powers, including abilities allowing him to "home in" to his place of origin in New Mexico,[52] resist psychic control,[53] grow stronger from radiation[54] or dark magic,[55] and to see and interact with astral forms.[56]

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
The Hulk regens in seconds according to "hulk vol 2" after being flayed bt Vector.

So in that sense, Yes a super fast regen can be considered almost invincible.

Also to quote myself, The story writers do make power adjustments depending on emotion and story line hence the Hero or villian healing, fighting and or losing a battle.

Yes my friend, the writers determine who will win by their own accord and powers are limited to the writers will.

Regeneration in no way makes you invincible. Cain has regeneration but that's not what makes him invincible. Hulk's regeneration has been shit during times as well depending on which version he is. All this regeneration yet he can't beat Thor or Rulk? How is that invincible?

The thing is that you debate on powersets and how the fight would go in a story. We don't we debate on feats and non-pis. There is no story here.

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
An earlier statement from someone was about Hulks durability to temprature. well sportsfans here you go:

Powers and abilities of HULK !!!!!

The Hulk possesses the potential for near-limitless physical strength depending directly on his emotional state, particularly his anger. This has been reflected in the repeated comment "The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets." The entity Beyonder once claimed that the Hulk's potential strength had "no finite element inside".[40] His durability, healing, and endurance also increase in proportion to his temper.[41] Greg Pak described the Hulk shown during World War Hulk as having a level of physical power where "Hulk was stronger than any mortal --and most immortals-- who ever walked the Earth." [42]

The Hulk is resistant to most forms of injury or damage. The extent varies between interpretations, but he has withstood the equivalent of inner solar temperatures,[43] nuclear explosions,[44] and planet-splitting impacts.[45] He has been shown to have both regenerative and adaptive healing abilities, including growing tissues to allow him to breathe underwater,[46] surviving unprotected in space for extended periods (yet still eventually needing to breathe),[47] and when injured, healing from most wounds within seconds.[48]

His powerful legs allow him to leap into lower Earth orbit or across continents,[49] and he has displayed sufficient superhuman speed to match Thor,[50] or the Sentry.[51] He also has less commonly described powers, including abilities allowing him to "home in" to his place of origin in New Mexico,[52] resist psychic control,[53] grow stronger from radiation[54] or dark magic,[55] and to see and interact with astral forms.[56]

Lol wikipedia references. Those aren't welcome here since that site is not a credible source for information.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Lol wikipedia references. Those aren't welcome here since that site is not a credible source for information.

How so? the information from wiki is right out of the Comics.

Those descriptions were dead on accurate.

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
How so? the information from wiki is right out of the Comics.

Those descriptions were dead on accurate.

Because someone as simple as I can go and edit them and say that he is weak against gunfire or something as trivial.

Also Check out the marvel.com website for creditable information.

Now on the regeneration thing, I never stated that it is invincible.

I stated that it's damn near invincible.

While taking a beating, if the damage per second doesn't sustain past his regen rate, Hulk will regenerate easily.

On the second hand, the Hulk's anger is increasing as the fight goes on and so increases his regen.

Sounds to me Hulk wins.

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
With the tanning sun bath he becomes damn near invincible if I'm following you. LOL

I'll first say that Darkseid would eradicate superman if he felt like it. simply because of his powers to bend and twist reality. nuff said.

Being the cognoscente man in the comic universe that you are.
you know that Hulk gets stronger as he gets pissed and slugging it out aint a good idea.

The Sun Bath is a later "thing" added to Superman's array of boosting his stats.

Don't get me wrong, I got love for Supes but as I have stated time and time again, he best fight is against street criminals and possibly BatMan.

Put Kal-El in a cosmic fight with powers unleashed he'll get owned.
A sun bath would help him lick his wounds but man ....LOL ... hell come back to earth with both ars broke from messin with the Hulk. DD was a weaker version of the Hulk in my opinion but it is what it is.

Any ways, Superman can't beat DS. DS is a very powerful being if written right, correctly, and without PIS. His OE, & OS are too powerful. Superman however can take it 😉

Also Check out the marvel.com website for creditable information. Now on the regeneration thing, I never stated that it is invincible. I stated that it's damn near invincible. While taking a beating, if the damage per second doesn't sustain past his regen rate, Hulk will regenerate easily. On the second hand, the Hulk's anger is increasing as the fight goes on and so increases his regen. Sounds to me Hulk wins.

How so? the information from wiki is right out of the Comics. Those descriptions were dead on accurate.

The Hulk regens in seconds according to "hulk vol 2" after being flayed bt Vector. So in that sense, Yes a super fast regen can be considered almost invincible. Also to quote myself, The story writers do make power adjustments depending on emotion and story line hence the Hero or villian healing, fighting and or losing a battle. Yes my friend, the writers determine who will win by their own accord and powers are limited to the writers will.

Superman is stronger then Sentry, or Thor.

The Base power thing can't be tied to the Hulk because you can't measure it. Due to his emotional state his base power fluctuates.

Superman at base power for instance, one could say he is stronger than the Hulk but what if the Hulk woke up angry that day? That's my point on that statement.

You brought up Thor, LOL well He is a GOD so thats "damn Near" an i win button on that note for Thor.

I know Wiki can and is edited by users but look at the references listed and read the reference for the source of information that users provide.

Of course The writers make Superman able to stand up to DS but cmon man LOL....one blink of an eye and reality gets bent, twisted and distorted. and Supes is instant grave dirt.

I was never a big fan of Thor so I couldn't tell you base power against Superman but from what I can tell, Thor in reality should slap Supes silly, hes a GOD.

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
Also Check out the marvel.com website for creditable information.

Now on the regeneration thing, I never stated that it is invincible.

I stated that it's damn near invincible.

While taking a beating, if the damage per second doesn't sustain past his regen rate, Hulk will regenerate easily.

On the second hand, the Hulk's anger is increasing as the fight goes on and so increases his regen.

Sounds to me Hulk wins.

Regeneration makes you in no way near invincible. Deadpool has a better HF and immortality and he is in no way near invincible.

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
The Base power thing can't be tied to the Hulk because you can't measure it. Due to his emotional state his base power fluctuates.

Superman at base power for instance, one could say he is stronger than the Hulk but what if the Hulk woke up angry that day? That's my point on that statement.

You brought up Thor, LOL well He is a GOD so thats "damn Near" an i win button on that note for Thor.

I know Wiki can and is edited by users but look at the references listed and read the reference for the source of information that users provide.

Of course The writers make Superman able to stand up to DS but cmon man LOL....one blink of an eye and reality gets bent, twisted and distorted. and Supes is instant grave dirt.

If? Hulk doesn't wake up angry and even if he did it wouldn't necessarily put him over Superman's strength.

A god is only a title. Cain is not a God and he has beaten Thor twice. Titles mean nothing so no being a God does not equal instant win.

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
I was never a big fan of Thor so I couldn't tell you base power against Superman but from what I can tell, Thor in reality should slap Supes silly, hes a GOD.

Read my stance of Gods.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Regeneration makes you in no way near invincible. Deadpool has a better HF and immortality and he is in no way near invincible.

If? Hulk doesn't wake up angry and even if he did it wouldn't necessarily put him over Superman's strength.

A god is only a title. Cain is not a God and he has beaten Thor twice. Titles mean nothing so no being a God does not equal instant win.

AT base power stats I can agree with your statement because His powers would be ALOT less effective.

in "anger management" I must certainly disagree. because his stats goes off the chart.

Remember he already has HIGH resistance. So add that with incredible regen and you have "near invincibility".

I know about all the characters who beat the Hulk but is has to be written that way. a supreme chracter that just can't lose would be boring as hell to read about.

Most of us read Hulk because is fun to watch him smash things and not remember a thing.

We read old Superman to watch vigilante style crime fighting and new Superman for moral lessons in getting your butt kicked.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Read my stance of Gods.

My stance on GOD's is same as my previous statement. It's how the writer writes the story.

Look at the cartoon "Ultimate Avengers" I hate to use that example again but in that cartoon, the writer has Hulk knocking out Thor, "picking"up Thor's Hammer and almost gave Thor a close shave with it.

Superman has more impressive feats then hulk, and he is way faster and a better fighter.

Hulk may get stronger but he has never shown superman level strength yet.

unless you want to show me something

and ultimate avengers isn't the same thor or hulk as the ones from 616 comics

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
AT base power stats I can agree with your statement because His powers would be ALOT less effective.

in "anger management" I must certainly disagree. because his stats goes off the chart.

Remember he already has HIGH resistance. So add that with incredible regen and you have "near invincibility".

I know about all the characters who beat the Hulk but is has to be written that way. a supreme chracter that just can't lose would be boring as hell to read about.

Most of us read Hulk because is fun to watch him smash things and not remember a thing.

We read old Superman to watch vigilante style crime fighting and new Superman for moral lessons in getting your butt kicked.

Hulk remembers a lot of what he does. Are you saying that Hulk is an undefeatable character that would crush everyone but he loses due to writing purposes?

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
My stance on GOD's is same as my previous statement. It's how the writer writes the story.

Look at the cartoon "Ultimate Avengers" I hate to use that example again but in that cartoon, the writer has Hulk knocking out Thor, "picking"up Thor's Hammer and almost gave Thor a close shave with it.

Bad example since that is an alternate Thor and Hulk and is in no way canon to the characters we are debating.

Originally posted by jalek moye
Superman has more impressive feats then hulk, and he is way faster and a better fighter.

Hulk may get stronger but he has never shown superman level strength yet.

unless you want to show me something

and ultimate avengers isn't the same thor or hulk as the ones from 616 comics

LOL i know that cartoon aint the same, I was using it as an example of "writers" writing the story.

You say Hulk has never shown super human abilities? LOL

I wont even entertain that notion.