Tyrael Takes on the Gauntlet

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Originally posted by Burning thought
a mere human...lmao.....my friend you are mistaken,have you ever played the games? or watched the Videos other members have posted, from that statement i know you are a little unknowing of Tyreal...how strong is Metals TK?.....it doesnt matter tbh, Tyrael could use reality warp to tear him in half but Tyraels TK in this fight=Inarius' which blew down a mountain with a wave of his hand and no effort at all......

the mere human you talk off is Diablo..... 😉 also knocking him over isnt going to kill Tyrael ime afraid.

Tyrael goes down hard, Shadow couldnt barely hit Tyrael with enough power to damage him, let alone defeat.....

Diablo's powers were watered down and he was still a match for Tyrael. Heck Diablo defeated Tyrael and imprisoned him.

Shadow is strong enough to toss a semi-truck (over 10 tons right there) with a single hand and that's with the rings on and with them off his true power is unleashed. And how on earth do you confuse the word Silver with Metal? Silver is from the future where TK is very normal. Shadow's true power whipped out Mephiles with little ease. Mephiles was capable on traveling through time, created hundreds of clones of himself, can summon forth monsters, hide in the shadows, as well as whip out cities.

so, Tyrael can wipe out planets 1000's of times over...you still think that city wiping feet is impressive?

and your using too much A>B>C logic, its okie if your comparing characters fighting in the same unvierse. Your also mistaking that Diablo was on his own and that being watered down is incredibly weakened comparing him to others, you have to take into account Tyrael is jobbing in that, he can fly faster than the speed of sound, has an incredibly extended awareness to things and also it was Baal and Diablo who "defeated" together Tyrael, you have to take into account Shadow actually has to kill/destroy or knock him out Tyrael to win

sorry, i confuse it out of typo, theres so many diffrent hedgehogs its crazy...

whats to say Mephilles wasnt under CIS? if he can do all these things, why didnt he? and why did u list hide in the shadows...Tyrael can hide his presence from anyone in Diabloverse (almost i suppose)

Originally posted by Burning thought
so, Tyrael can wipe out planets 1000's of times over...you still think that city wiping feet is impressive?

Show me.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Show me.

okie ive scanned my information, i know how to post web images off the web, but how do i post things that are on my comp after scan?

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here we go, proof of his power

Shadow flounders before Tyrael

Originally posted by Burning thought
anyway "why" do you think pyron wins and "how"...you dont "know" its never happened before and no opponent Pyron has faced is of Tyraels nature...and no i didnt do that to weaken him, pyron can be any size he likes to once such as Tyrael but i made him small, i mean hell if i made him the size he is in the scan hed automatically lose due to my rule "not going out the atmosphere"..so how does he win?
He wins cause he has feats that let him. Tho I must asked, since you took away his ability to go beyond lightspeed, how fast can he go now? Pyron even in human form easily has Class 100 strength(More than 100 tons), can shapeshift in many creative and effective ways in combat, can control cosmic fire, has a shield and tele, among others. At the start of the fight, he could stretch his hand into several spines to pierce Tyrael, couls turn into a wheel or a top to shred him apart, can blast fire at him, can make mini suns to keep him at bay, can do this one weird thing where it looks like he either rapidly teles or makes rapidly teleporting blasts to hit him from all sides, orcan do his signature flaming uppercut. 😎 And that his just the start of what he can do.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
He wins cause he has feats that let him. Tho I must asked, since you took away his ability to go beyond lightspeed, how fast can he go now? Pyron even in human form easily has Class 100 strength(More than 100 tons), can shapeshift in many creative and effective ways in combat, can control cosmic fire, has a shield and tele, among others. At the start of the fight, he could stretch his hand into several spines to pierce Tyrael, couls turn into a wheel or a top to shred him apart, can blast fire at him, can make mini suns to keep him at bay, can do this one weird thing where it looks like he either rapidly teles or makes rapidly teleporting blasts to hit him from all sides, orcan do his signature flaming uppercut. 😎 And that his just the start of what he can do.

you still never said how hes going to hit light and sound mixed into one, Tyraels body is makup so the most hell do is throw tyrael about who can exceed the speed of sound easily..speed of light maybe not but he is no slouch thats for sure, infact the speed of sound would be a mockery to him, ime quite sure he goes the speed of light or more but i cannot prove it so id let that one drop. But anyway i dont see pyron able to even hit tyrael, wheras Tyrael letting lose his full power would smash Pyron to cosmic dust, if Pyron was hit by the full throttle of Tyraels power, the thing would be in trouble or Tyrael could easily just strike him, Pyron is an evil being, so often called a Demon if i remember correctly...Tyraels sword and Tyrael himself>>Demons their his speciality.

OR use his TK to smash pyron about

Originally posted by Burning thought
you still never said how hes going to hit light and sound mixed into one, Tyraels body is makup so the most hell do is throw tyrael about who can exceed the speed of sound easily..speed of light maybe not but he is no slouch thats for sure, infact the speed of sound would be a mockery to him, ime quite sure he goes the speed of light or more but i cannot prove it so id let that one drop. But anyway i dont see pyron able to even hit tyrael, wheras Tyrael letting lose his full power would smash Pyron to cosmic dust, if Pyron was hit by the full throttle of Tyraels power, the thing would be in trouble or Tyrael could easily just strike him, Pyron is an evil being, so often called a Demon if i remember correctly...Tyraels sword and Tyrael himself>>Demons their his speciality.

OR use his TK to smash pyron about

Pyron isn't a demon at all. 😬 He's not even malicously evil. Also, has Tyrael ever shown the ability to be intangible? I could reverse this and say Pyron is made of pure energy(as is Tyrael) and can't be harmed either. And how would he use TK to smash Pyron about? Pyron is not a nonliving mountain.

Originally posted by Burning thought
here we go, proof of his power

Shadow flounders before Tyrael

No, no, no. Don't show me someone saying something; show me actually proof that Tyrael (and not once was his name ever mentioned there) can do what you claim.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Pyron isn't a demon at all. 😬 He's not even malicously evil. Also, has Tyrael ever shown the ability to be intangible? I could reverse this and say Pyron is made of pure energy(as is Tyrael) and can't be harmed either. And how would he use TK to smash Pyron about? Pyron is not a nonliving mountain.

probably not, but ive heard it said in various places, some of those Darkstalker fansites, anyway, he isnt massively evil, not as evil as Diablo beings but being a selfish being who kills and absorbs entire worlds for his own power and gains is more than enough to allow Tyraels sword to do its job. Shown it? hes made of light and sound..the only thing that ever gets hit is his breastplate which is where Diablo smashes into him, but you cant hit light and sound. Pyron is cosmic energy, not "pure" light and sound, theres a big diffrence since at least in the OVA canon or not is still a source where he gets hit, Tyraels gets hit in his breastplate (the durability of which is unkown). being living or not is no diffrence...if he can blast a mountain away with a wave of his hand effortlessly, if he actually tries to use his TK on pyron, image at full power, theres no resistence AFAIk pyron has to it.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
No, no, no. Don't show me someone saying something; show me actually proof that Tyrael (and not once was his name ever mentioned there) can do what you claim.

No no no...thats an extremely reliable source ,thats proof..the guy whos saying that is the son of Inarius, and their talking about Inarius, the guy if you read the books you would realise hates his father with a seething passion, and is incredibly intelligent, he is not one who would ovverate his hated father or exaggerate, especially not with the seriousness involved in the book at the time and the person he is talking to. he is trying to make a point. Inarius the book is talking about, not Tyrael, you see it mentions angel, so either we belive the average angel can do this...or an Archangel...either way Tyrael is an Archangel and as you see ive given him Inarius powers from the book.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Tyrael gets restored after fight 3, 6 and then is restored after every fight afterwards. For the fight, he is assumed powers that Inarius has plus his own from the games from both lore and books.

i dont know about Pyron, but he definatley sends poor Shadow into the ground...quite easily

Originally posted by Burning thought
probably not, but ive heard it said in various places, some of those Darkstalker fansites, anyway, he isnt massively evil, not as evil as Diablo beings but being a selfish being who kills and absorbs entire worlds for his own power and gains is more than enough to allow Tyraels sword to do its job. Shown it? hes made of light and sound..the only thing that ever gets hit is his breastplate which is where Diablo smashes into him, but you cant hit light and sound. Pyron is cosmic energy, not "pure" light and sound, theres a big diffrence since at least in the OVA canon or not is still a source where he gets hit, Tyraels gets hit in his breastplate (the durability of which is unkown). being living or not is no diffrence...if he can blast a mountain away with a wave of his hand effortlessly, if he actually tries to use his TK on pyron, image at full power, theres no resistence AFAIk pyron has to it.
Pyron isn't a demon, trust me on that lol. He is kinda greedy, and eats planets for power. Also, Pyron is STILL only made of pure energy, how can you hit a cloud of energy? Seriously, I like to think of Tyrael as a condensed energy form, that is solid, which makes sense to me. Also, the OVA shows canon attacks, that is it, and that was also a weakened Pyron. TK Pyron? Tele out, or use a shield to resist it. Also, Pyron has the option of summoning armies of Phobos to fight for him.

Most of his problems arise from 6, 7, 9 and 11..

6, because first of all is he worn out from 4 and 5.. also, the two are a dangerous team to put together.. already as a Death Knight, Arthas could heal demons and combined with Ner'Zhul his powers increased vastly.. Archimonde will do the fighting as Lich King is a low factor in the battle against such an entity.. Archimonde will probably portal him to a "pocket-realm" while fighting.. when at a weak state, he will prepare Lich King telepathicaly and then open the portal.. Lich King comes out, heals Archimonde and is thrown back into the "pocket-realm" again.. And so the battle continues.. How will Archimonde conquer? Trough horribly vast telekenetical powers, trough powerful special-formed death-magic and pure size and strength.. If Tyrael ever succeed in penetrating that horribly resistant skin of Archimonde, Lich King might just appear and heal him up.. Sure, it's a battle lead by cowardism, but it works..

I wont go into Pyron and let V2D speak trough that.. even though I think that sometimes he seem to overdo him a lot..

Sargeras is basically a Archimonde with vastly greater powers.. He's the factor in that fight, imo.. Is it pre or post corruption? Anyway, I think Archimonde can pull it trough by himself, and if he can, Sargeras is basically bound to do it..

Diablo, Mephisto and Baal is three powerful characters.. Right now, I wont go into that much more than that.. Combined, they overpower Tyrael..

I dont think he get past 6 though..

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
Most of his problems arise from 6, 7, 9 and 11..

6, because first of all is he worn out from 4 and 5.. also, the two are a dangerous team to put together.. already as a Death Knight, Arthas could heal demons and combined with Ner'Zhul his powers increased vastly.. Archimonde will do the fighting as Lich King is a low factor in the battle against such an entity.. Archimonde will probably portal him to a "pocket-realm" while fighting.. when at a weak state, he will prepare Lich King telepathicaly and then open the portal.. Lich King comes out, heals Archimonde and is thrown back into the "pocket-realm" again.. And so the battle continues.. How will Archimonde conquer? Trough horribly vast telekenetical powers, trough powerful special-formed death-magic and pure size and strength.. If Tyrael ever succeed in penetrating that horribly resistant skin of Archimonde, Lich King might just appear and heal him up.. Sure, it's a battle lead by cowardism, but it works..

I wont go into Pyron and let V2D speak trough that.. even though I think that sometimes he seem to overdo him a lot..

Sargeras is basically a Archimonde with vastly greater powers.. He's the factor in that fight, imo.. Is it pre or post corruption? Anyway, I think Archimonde can pull it trough by himself, and if he can, Sargeras is basically bound to do it..

Diablo, Mephisto and Baal is three powerful characters.. Right now, I wont go into that much more than that.. Combined, they overpower Tyrael..

I dont think he get past 6 though..

Oh damn, I didn't see that it was Arichmonde AND Lich King Arthas. He stops at them, I agree. I don't overdo Pyron meany. 😒

The Sargeras, KOSMOS, and whoever the hell else it was murk him however.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Pyron isn't a demon, trust me on that lol. He is kinda greedy, and eats planets for power. Also, Pyron is STILL only made of pure energy, how can you hit a cloud of energy? Seriously, I like to think of Tyrael as a condensed energy form, that is solid, which makes sense to me. Also, the OVA shows canon attacks, that is it, and that was also a weakened Pyron. TK Pyron? Tele out, or use a shield to resist it. Also, Pyron has the option of summoning armies of Phobos to fight for him.

stop saying "pure" energy, theres nothing pure about pyron, Angels are stated as being pure but Pyron has wickedness and selfishness you cant disagree for sure, where does it actually state anything other than Cosmic energy?. you like to think? thats a bit odd to say, i like to think a lot of things but nothing can prove this assumption, the only time Tyrael is ever hit is on the breastplate which is afaik physical, its not made from light and sound like tyrael is. what do you mean tele out? or shield for protection, TK is using mind powers to move objects, shields protect against physical attacks unless it states somewhere that pyrons shield can deflect mind powers, if it can, then hell be thrown about shield and all or other such madness would happen to him, he would end up getting his energy radiated or overcharged by Tyraels inarius powered attacks.

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
Most of his problems arise from 6, 7, 9 and 11..

6, because first of all is he worn out from 4 and 5.. also, the two are a dangerous team to put together.. already as a Death Knight, Arthas could heal demons and combined with Ner'Zhul his powers increased vastly.. Archimonde will do the fighting as Lich King is a low factor in the battle against such an entity.. Archimonde will probably portal him to a "pocket-realm" while fighting.. when at a weak state, he will prepare Lich King telepathicaly and then open the portal.. Lich King comes out, heals Archimonde and is thrown back into the "pocket-realm" again.. And so the battle continues.. How will Archimonde conquer? Trough horribly vast telekenetical powers, trough powerful special-formed death-magic and pure size and strength.. If Tyrael ever succeed in penetrating that horribly resistant skin of Archimonde, Lich King might just appear and heal him up.. Sure, it's a battle lead by cowardism, but it works..

I wont go into Pyron and let V2D speak trough that.. even though I think that sometimes he seem to overdo him a lot..

Sargeras is basically a Archimonde with vastly greater powers.. He's the factor in that fight, imo.. Is it pre or post corruption? Anyway, I think Archimonde can pull it trough by himself, and if he can, Sargeras is basically bound to do it..

Diablo, Mephisto and Baal is three powerful characters.. Right now, I wont go into that much more than that.. Combined, they overpower Tyrael..

I dont think he get past 6 though..

well that depends, personally i dont see Tyrael being able to be tired at all, to be tired it takes bones, body, flesh to feel fatigue, i overlooked this when i had the battle in mind.

but onto your battle, hmm, first ime not sure about the pocket realm, i have never heard (if i have i have forgotten) of Archimonde being able to create his own pocket dimensions, i am also unsure about healing demons, what are you meaning with this? i mean he heals undead ofcourse but ive never heard of him healing a demon, let alone one of Archimondes type. We also have to take into account Tyrael can dimension move, he moves from heaven to santuary which are alternate realities/dimensions so to speak from eachother, if he can move from heaven, hell and santuary i cant see Archimonde being able to contain Tyrael in a dimension. Another point in the fight is A: Tyraels sword is uber against demons, if it hits Archimonde i have almost no doubt at all Tyraels sword will slash a hole in Archimonde or worse, he afaik (tele not included in this) is much faster than Archi easily, the guy can move at incredible speeds, far greater than sound at least. Also i cannot see Archimonde surviving the 1000 world blast power.

Pyron, hmm, personally i dont think Pyron could hit Tyrael, i added him because i think it would be worthy battle just for pyron to keep smashing Tyrael but eventually, the Archangel imo would lay low Pyron, if not kill him, humble him.

i agree here, Sarg is the main value in the fight. Ive taken away his immunities however so his vulerability to tyraels anti demonic power is going to be incredible (this is post corruption) against Sarg i think, as well as his world destruction powers and speed. kos-mos and Kratos i added for a mere bit of flavour but i dont truly belive they have much of a chance.

yes, to be honest, i added that just to kill Tyrael because i personally dont belive he can take all 3, not if Inarius is murked by the weakest of the 3, although i dont think Inarius power holds much to Tyraels, the 3 i think could overpower for sure.

(btw darth, you know in act 3 mephisto jungle cinematic in Diablo 2, where Tyrael is holding the old man and everything goes blue after old man frees baal, would you say Tyrael had stopped time for a moment? everything seemed to warp and Baal and Diablo were not doing anything at the time, perhaps it was just a little diffrence in lighting for change, i dont know)

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
The Sargeras, KOSMOS, and whoever the hell else it was murk him however.

no way lol, Sargerus ime not sure about but Murk the Archangel, i think the only ones who will actually Murk him is the last battle.

Originally posted by Burning thought
stop saying "pure" energy, theres nothing pure about pyron, Angels are stated as being pure but Pyron has wickedness and selfishness you cant disagree for sure, where does it actually state anything other than Cosmic energy?. [B] you like to think? thats a bit odd to say, i like to think a lot of things but nothing can prove this assumption, the only time Tyrael is ever hit is on the breastplate which is afaik physical, its not made from light and sound like tyrael is. what do you mean tele out? or shield for protection, TK is using mind powers to move objects, shields protect against physical attacks unless it states somewhere that pyrons shield can deflect mind powers, if it can, then hell be thrown about shield and all or other such madness would happen to him, he would end up getting his energy radiated or overcharged by Tyraels inarius powered attacks.[/B]
Ummmmmm...yeah, Pyron's body is composed of PURE ENERGY! Of course Pyron is fairly wicked, never argued against it, I just said he's not maliciously evil. Is he cosmic energy? Yeah, he's basically a living being composed of starlike material(as shown by the fact that his skeleton is a constellation). There is NOTHING that can prove that Tyrael can't be harmed. He could tele to keep from being TKed, TK works by forming mental...clamps so to speak, and uses them to move things, or they can be used as like a TK blow to knock things over, like mountains. Then there's the REALLY powerful TK that allows you to deconstruct and manipulate matter, like what Phoenix(Jean Grey) does. Tho I doubt Tyrael can do that. TK is a physical attack. His shield would block it as well. He would not be overcharged by Tyrael, or does Tyrael all of the sudden have the power of multiple galaxies? Pyron absorbed all of that. Pyron could actually solve the problem of whether or not he could hit Tyrael by ABSORBING him.

Originally posted by Burning thought
stop saying "pure" energy, theres nothing pure about pyron, Angels are stated as being pure but Pyron has wickedness and selfishness you cant disagree for sure, where does it actually state anything other than Cosmic energy?. [B] you like to think? thats a bit odd to say, i like to think a lot of things but nothing can prove this assumption, the only time Tyrael is ever hit is on the breastplate which is afaik physical, its not made from light and sound like tyrael is. what do you mean tele out? or shield for protection, TK is using mind powers to move objects, shields protect against physical attacks unless it states somewhere that pyrons shield can deflect mind powers, if it can, then hell be thrown about shield and all or other such madness would happen to him, he would end up getting his energy radiated or overcharged by Tyraels inarius powered attacks.

well that depends, personally i dont see Tyrael being able to be tired at all, to be tired it takes bones, body, flesh to feel fatigue, i overlooked this when i had the battle in mind.

but onto your battle, hmm, first ime not sure about the pocket realm, i have never heard (if i have i have forgotten) of Archimonde being able to create his own pocket dimensions, i am also unsure about healing demons, what are you meaning with this? i mean he heals undead ofcourse but ive never heard of him healing a demon, let alone one of Archimondes type. We also have to take into account Tyrael can dimension move, he moves from heaven to santuary which are alternate realities/dimensions so to speak from eachother, if he can move from heaven, hell and santuary i cant see Archimonde being able to contain Tyrael in a dimension. Another point in the fight is A: Tyraels sword is uber against demons, if it hits Archimonde i have almost no doubt at all Tyraels sword will slash a hole in Archimonde or worse, he afaik (tele not included in this) is much faster than Archi easily, the guy can move at incredible speeds, far greater than sound at least. Also i cannot see Archimonde surviving the 1000 world blast power.

Pyron, hmm, personally i dont think Pyron could hit Tyrael, i added him because i think it would be worthy battle just for pyron to keep smashing Tyrael but eventually, the Archangel imo would lay low Pyron, if not kill him, humble him.

i agree here, Sarg is the main value in the fight. Ive taken away his immunities however so his vulerability to tyraels anti demonic power is going to be incredible (this is post corruption) against Sarg i think, as well as his world destruction powers and speed. kos-mos and Kratos i added for a mere bit of flavour but i dont truly belive they have much of a chance.

yes, to be honest, i added that just to kill Tyrael because i personally dont belive he can take all 3, not if Inarius is murked by the weakest of the 3, although i dont think Inarius power holds much to Tyraels, the 3 i think could overpower for sure.

(btw darth, you know in act 3 mephisto jungle cinematic in Diablo 2, where Tyrael is holding the old man and everything goes blue after old man frees baal, would you say Tyrael had stopped time for a moment? everything seemed to warp and Baal and Diablo were not doing anything at the time, perhaps it was just a little diffrence in lighting for change, i dont know)

no way lol, Sargerus ime not sure about but Murk the Archangel, i think the only ones who will actually Murk him is the last battle. [/B]

He doesn't actually create a realm.. He just use one that's out of reach for Tyrael.. a realm that he can portal forth and back upon his will troughout the fight..

Arthas was capable of healing demons as a death knight trough death coil.. Like he can with any unholy entities.. It doesn't really matter if its a pit lord demon or an eredar demon..

As for the fight, Archimonde would never move Tyrael trough dimensions.. Archimonde would stand strong where they were and fight him.. I said he would send Lich King away and for all we know there's no way that Tyrael could pursuit him.. Sure he's able to move between heaven and earth, but he's an angel and it's somewhat logical..

I cant argue against the 1000 world thing, as I dont know how it works.. is it a blast, or is it that he telepathicaly destroys it, or what? And his speed might help Tyrael, but Archimonde isn't a bad combatant.. He has fought countless battles and fought against both speed and strength.. His vast mind-powers would sense Tyrael and give Archimonde somewhat sight over his approach and trough telekenetical powers he would have Tyraels wings being grasped close together and pass Archimonde in the same speed he approached, to shortly after hit the ground in the same speed and roll around.. Thereafter possibly throw him around, or rip the wings out of his body..

Not to mention, Archimonde exceed Tyrael in size massively..

Actually, Sargeras isn't a demon.. Not even post-corruption.. He's simply a dark titan but no more.. The anti-demon powers wouldn't aid Tyrael in this battle.. And his speed wouldn't assist much, as Sargeras would know whereabout he is at all time.. There would be no way for him to approach from behind, from the front or from above.. at all time, Sargeras would be ready and so would his vast stash of magic..

About the act 3 deal.. I looked the video trough and gave it some thoughts.. the powers imo that we can see him use there, is either time-slow or alter reality.. He also seem to hold vast endurance, as he fell into lava and got up unharmed.. We could see him hold back against diablo.. We could also see him using some kind of mind-reading.. He knew who the human was.. He also seem to be capable of seeing into the future..

Originally posted by Burning thought
here we go, proof of his power

Shadow flounders before Tyrael

lol nice

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Ummmmmm...yeah, Pyron's body is composed of PURE ENERGY! Of course Pyron is fairly wicked, never argued against it, I just said he's not maliciously evil. Is he cosmic energy? Yeah, he's basically a living being composed of starlike material(as shown by the fact that his skeleton is a constellation). There is NOTHING that can prove that Tyrael can't be harmed. He could tele to keep from being TKed, TK works by forming mental...clamps so to speak, and uses them to move things, or they can be used as like a TK blow to knock things over, like mountains. Then there's the REALLY powerful TK that allows you to deconstruct and manipulate matter, like what Phoenix(Jean Grey) does. Tho I doubt Tyrael can do that. TK is a physical attack. His shield would block it as well. He would not be overcharged by Tyrael, or does Tyrael all of the sudden have the power of multiple galaxies? Pyron absorbed all of that. Pyron could actually solve the problem of whether or not he could hit Tyrael by ABSORBING him.

absorb light and sound, pyron has never absorbed such forces afaik, he absorbs physical forms and worldly energyies but light and sound, not a chance. Erm...yes there is, the fact hes made of light and sound means hes far beyond pyrons reach..i never said he cannot be harmed, he just cannot be touched by Pyron, youll need magic to harm Tyrael, unless you want to bash his breastplate.....i wouldnt put deconstruct and manipulate matter under TK? i would put that under a seperate category like matter manipulation. TK is not physical attack, its mental, it can just affect a physical object, its not like his shield is going to make a diffrence. The power of several galaxies, all it takes is a continue quick blast and either Pyron will end up smothered with continuous warping powers, OR Tyrael can do the slow time trick, time he would use to destroy pyron, his sword could certainly help also while pyron isnt moving.

Originally posted by Darth Extecute

He doesn't actually create a realm.. He just use one that's out of reach for Tyrael.. a realm that he can portal forth and back upon his will troughout the fight..

Arthas was capable of healing demons as a death knight trough death coil.. Like he can with any unholy entities.. It doesn't really matter if its a pit lord demon or an eredar demon..

As for the fight, Archimonde would never move Tyrael trough dimensions.. Archimonde would stand strong where they were and fight him.. I said he would send Lich King away and for all we know there's no way that Tyrael could pursuit him.. Sure he's able to move between heaven and earth, but he's an angel and it's somewhat logical..

I cant argue against the 1000 world thing, as I dont know how it works.. is it a blast, or is it that he telepathicaly destroys it, or what? And his speed might help Tyrael, but Archimonde isn't a bad combatant.. He has fought countless battles and fought against both speed and strength.. His vast mind-powers would sense Tyrael and give Archimonde somewhat sight over his approach and trough telekenetical powers he would have Tyraels wings being grasped close together and pass Archimonde in the same speed he approached, to shortly after hit the ground in the same speed and roll around.. Thereafter possibly throw him around, or rip the wings out of his body..

Not to mention, Archimonde exceed Tyrael in size massively..

Actually, Sargeras isn't a demon.. Not even post-corruption.. He's simply a dark titan but no more.. The anti-demon powers wouldn't aid Tyrael in this battle.. And his speed wouldn't assist much, as Sargeras would know whereabout he is at all time.. There would be no way for him to approach from behind, from the front or from above.. at all time, Sargeras would be ready and so would his vast stash of magic..

About the act 3 deal.. I looked the video trough and gave it some thoughts.. the powers imo that we can see him use there, is either time-slow or alter reality.. He also seem to hold vast endurance, as he fell into lava and got up unharmed.. We could see him hold back against diablo.. We could also see him using some kind of mind-reading.. He knew who the human was.. He also seem to be capable of seeing into the future..

i see, hmm, didnt know he could teleport through realms.

did he, interesting, i only remember it affecting undead, i dont remember using it on a demon "shrug"

its logical he can move through heaven, but the realities and walls between santuary and hell and the other places are reality doorways, something the Worldstone was supposed to keep up while shrouding santuary, but he could move through the realities so i see no reason why he could not move through others.

i dont know how it works tbh either, just that he has the power required to destroy a world times 1000, so however he does it we dont know, but ime sure if it hit Archimonde however he does it, its going to blast him into pieces, also thinking of the limited time control he seems to show, Tyrael combined with his speed and time power could slash numerous times with his sword across Archimonde if he doesnt use his world destroying powers. Grasping Tyraels wings, ime not sure about that, Tyraels wings are either made of light and sound like the rest of him, or holy fire, considering half the burning hells control fire i dont see any way of Archimonde taking tyraels wings and ive never known Archimondes TK to affect light/sound or fire either tbh. Also Archi is not the only one with TK, i dont know the extent of the power Archimonde has shown with his TK but Inarius (Tyrael has it due to the rules) blew away a mountain apart from the place he, his son and his sons friend were standing on, leaving a three clawed looking shape where the mountain was, and he did this effortlessly with a wave of his hand, the mountain being quite massive considering it was going through the clouds, This shows both power and great control over the TK.

hmm, true he is not a full demon although doesnt it say that a Demon is only made through fel corruption? so Sargerus going by the rule and the fact hes corrupted, wouldnt that make him a demon?

also i thought here id address the points on them being able to see him, both Sarg, Archi and any of the others who have such abilities to see through their minds and other powers the movements of Tyrael are unlikely, since Inarius in the book can cloak his prescence to the minds and powers of the high heavens and the burning hells through his own power, and even the eyes of mortals (although i tihnk Sarg, arch etc etc should be able to see him with their eyes) his mental presence is likely to be shrouded, so predertermining his movements would be difficult.

hmm yes that makes sense to me, reality warp/time powers. I mean hes certainly doing something there.

He doesnt actually teleport.. he portal, which in my opinion is different..

Arthas himself doesn't at any point heal demons, but the actual death knight can do this.. And since Arthas is a death knight of higher standard than the average, he's more than likely capable of this..

I believe Tyrael can move around, but that would be in worlds that he know of.. Outlands would be more than a mystery to him and there's no way he could pursuit Lich King there unless Archimonde so wished..

His world destroy powers is of such loose base that I suggeest we exclude it from this fight.. it's a quote, from a guy, without any specific word on how it works.. I would give it more though if it was mentioned as a 3rd person perpective, but now it was a mere quote.. I'm not saying that he cant do, just that its of such loose base that we should exclude it for now..

As for his wings, of course they can be torn of trough his TK powers.. Archimonde effortless squished a full grown dragon with a mere grasp with one of his hands.. If you are uncertain about the wings, let me phrase it like this instead:

Tyrael appears out of the shadows, in front of Mephisto. "Stop, you cannot corrupt the world, not even you can, I will not allow this.."
"If I had an option, I would use that, but no Tyrael.. I don't, leave angel, or you shall get your wings tore of.. You remember Hyrael, your brother? His wings were tore off by me, he is in the halls of mirrors now, he lies there"

Tyrael might be an archangel, and his powers may exceed most archangels, but they still manifest the same angelic body.. His wings are as fragile as any other angels.. Light or not..

A demon is made trough fel corruption, but Sargeras only had his mind corrupted.. Not his body, heart, soul or blood.. His mind twisted him to darkness, but he isn't considered a demon..

This being post-corruption makes it harder for Sargeras, but we dont know any actual way that Tyrael can possibly harm him.. His sword being specialised against demons might give him a shot against Archimonde, but since Lich King and Archimonde most likely will have their minds linked, the vast intelligence and strategical thinking of the Lich King might lead Archimonde to a victory, despite the sword and speed of Tyrael..

And in the movie sequence, its seen that he instantly appear by the man.. He grabs him and even though he speaks in normal pace, everything moves slowly.. the background and all other things disappear.. only Tyrael, the man and the surrounding is there.. Neither Mephisto or flames are seen in the background, as if he somehow... duplicated reality or something, to get privacy or whatever shrug