Tyrael Takes on the Gauntlet

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
He doesnt actually teleport.. he portal, which in my opinion is different..

Arthas himself doesn't at any point heal demons, but the actual death knight can do this.. And since Arthas is a death knight of higher standard than the average, he's more than likely capable of this..

I believe Tyrael can move around, but that would be in worlds that he know of.. Outlands would be more than a mystery to him and there's no way he could pursuit Lich King there unless Archimonde so wished..

His world destroy powers is of such loose base that I suggeest we exclude it from this fight.. it's a quote, from a guy, without any specific word on how it works.. I would give it more though if it was mentioned as a 3rd person perpective, but now it was a mere quote.. I'm not saying that he cant do, just that its of such loose base that we should exclude it for now..

As for his wings, of course they can be torn of trough his TK powers.. Archimonde effortless squished a full grown dragon with a mere grasp with one of his hands.. If you are uncertain about the wings, let me phrase it like this instead:

Tyrael might be an archangel, and his powers may exceed most archangels, but they still manifest the same angelic body.. His wings are as fragile as any other angels.. Light or not..

A demon is made trough fel corruption, but Sargeras only had his mind corrupted.. Not his body, heart, soul or blood.. His mind twisted him to darkness, but he isn't considered a demon..

This being post-corruption makes it harder for Sargeras, but we dont know any actual way that Tyrael can possibly harm him.. His sword being specialised against demons might give him a shot against Archimonde, but since Lich King and Archimonde most likely will have their minds linked, the vast intelligence and strategical thinking of the Lich King might lead Archimonde to a victory, despite the sword and speed of Tyrael..

And in the movie sequence, its seen that he instantly appear by the man.. He grabs him and even though he speaks in normal pace, everything moves slowly.. the background and all other things disappear.. only Tyrael, the man and the surrounding is there.. Neither Mephisto or flames are seen in the background, as if he somehow... duplicated reality or something, to get privacy or whatever shrug

Outlands, as you said, Tyrael seemed to be able to read minds, by knowing the old mans name so possibly he would read Archimondes mind of the dimensions and places he is going to.

they are fairly loose, he can do it but we dont know how he does it, if its through TK which would make various degrees of sense or through his reality warping i dont know.

a fully grown dragon is made of diffrence stuff to Tyrael, Tyrael is light and sound, as are his wings, Dragons are flesh, bone and physical excistence. Theres nothing to think any Angels wings are fragile, since Mephisto is a prime evil, they have ways of warping things much like the angels can warp reality. The prime evils cannot neccerily be comapred to Archimonde who we know does not have access to the same powers as prime evils. If something is made of light and sound you cant grab it like you could the dragon Archi destroyed.

hmm so he either duplicated reality or slowed time, both quite powerful

Archimonde can take on both sound and light shockyes

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Originally posted by Burning thought
absorb light and sound, pyron has never absorbed such forces afaik, he absorbs physical forms and worldly energyies but light and sound, not a chance. Erm...yes there is, the fact hes made of light and sound means hes far beyond pyrons reach..i never said he cannot be harmed, he just cannot be touched by Pyron, youll need magic to harm Tyrael, unless you want to bash his breastplate.....i wouldnt put deconstruct and manipulate matter under TK? i would put that under a seperate category like matter manipulation. TK is not physical attack, its mental, it can just affect a physical object, its not like his shield is going to make a diffrence. The power of several galaxies, all it takes is a continue quick blast and either Pyron will end up smothered with continuous warping powers, OR Tyrael can do the slow time trick, time he would use to destroy pyron, his sword could certainly help also while pyron isnt moving.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Ummm, the world has both light and sound on it, why can't he? Dur. Light and sound are still energy. Seriously, do you have ANY proof that Tyrael cannot be harmed by physical attacks? Also, I meant that some TKers are so strong they can use their TK to manipulate matter. TK is a physical attack, it attacks the opponents body, sumthin like a telepathic mind blast would be a mental attack, or a thought bomb. Countless galaxies energy>Tyrael's. He can slow time? That's pretty cool. When has he done this btw? Also, I seriously must ask, how fast did you make Pyron in this fight? You took away beyond LS, so mow much?

Light and sound is like saying you think Pyron is eating gravity...just because the world has certain laws and forces of physics on it doesnt mean he eats light and sound..now your overhyping pyron to the max for sure..almost...(this or andromedia galaxy size..hmm?)

any proof, thats like asking for proof that light and sound is not physical....sillyiest question ive ever heard, shout and try and punch the sound coming out of your mouth and physicall grab it, then try to grab beams of light..its not that easy. Tyrael is made of light and sound+hes never had his body hit...so your speculating against not only laws of the real world but against something that doesnt have a opposite side to the argument.

Galaxies energy>Pyron as well.....Pyrons limit of power is to create miniature suns...great deal that is....Tyraels power>>>pyrons easily. He slows/stops time in this vid..ill post it below.
pyrons speed is OVA speed, how he fights demitri, at about that pace.

YouTube video

when he grabs the old man, everything goes blue and distorted, the brothers cannot seem to attack until its over.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Light and sound is like saying you think Pyron is eating gravity...just because the world has certain laws and forces of physics on it doesnt mean he eats light and sound..now your overhyping pyron to the max for sure..almost...(this or andromedia galaxy size..hmm?)

any proof, thats like asking for proof that light and sound is not physical....sillyiest question ive ever heard, shout and try and punch the sound coming out of your mouth and physicall grab it, then try to grab beams of light..its not that easy. Tyrael is made of light and sound+hes never had his body hit...so your speculating against not only laws of the real world but against something that doesnt have a opposite side to the argument.

Galaxies energy>Pyron as well.....Pyrons limit of power is to create miniature suns...great deal that is....Tyraels power>>>pyrons easily.
pyrons speed is OVA speed, how he fights demitri, at about that pace.

2. Thing is, I can still say the same thing about Pyron. He is made from stars dude. Can you punch a star?

3. Too bad he has absorbed countless galaxies energy. Creating mini suns is his limit? Lol, going by that, he can't bust a planet, WHEN HE HAS. He wears planets for rings for Christ's sake. Pyron in power>>>Tyrael, cause he has feats to back him up.

4. Kay. How fast would you say that is? Still faster than Tyrael, at 20% he flys around the world in like a matter of seconds.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Light and sound is still energy, he absorbs energy. Dur.

2. Thing is, I can still say the same thing about Pyron. He is made from stars dude. Can you punch a star?

3. Too bad he has absorbed countless galaxies energy. Creating mini suns is his limit? Lol, going by that, he can't bust a planet, WHEN HE HAS. He wears planets for rings for Christ's sake. Pyron in power>>>Tyrael, cause he has feats to back him up.

4. Kay. How fast would you say that is? Still faster than Tyrael, at 20% he flys around the world in like a matter of seconds.

1. now your being Hyperbole, your saying he absorbs "all" energy, hes never absorbed light and sound, he may have absorbed the things on a planet making light and sound, but hes never absorbed the energy itself, not that you can prove i bet anyway, if he can absorb "any" energy then he may as well absorb space itself, he doesnt, he cannot. If he can absorb light, he would be invisible, he isnt.

2. erm, a human cannot but a star is physical in nature to a degree, its superheated hydragen explosions, their completly diffrent to light and sound itself. The sun is a more likely target, nto to menstion, Tyrael has magic, Pyron does not.

3. Not really, those rings ive yet to see where their from, are they from the same ending as the pyron in front of andromeda picture, for all i know they could be fan art. "HE HAS"? when has he "bust" a planet without absorbing it. Absorbing isnt busting.

4. if hes faster, its by barely anything...Inarius crossed half the world in seconds himself, so his speed if < Pyrons is by a fraction.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. now your being Hyperbole, your saying he absorbs "all" energy, hes never absorbed light and sound, he may have absorbed the things on a planet making light and sound, but hes never absorbed the energy itself, not that you can prove i bet anyway, if he can absorb "any" energy then he may as well absorb space itself, he doesnt, he cannot. If he can absorb light, he would be invisible, he isnt.

2. erm, a human cannot but a star is physical in nature to a degree, its superheated hydragen explosions, their completly diffrent to light and sound itself. The sun is a more likely target, nto to menstion, Tyrael has magic, Pyron does not.

3. Not really, those rings ive yet to see where their from, are they from the same ending as the pyron in front of andromeda picture, for all i know they could be fan art. "HE HAS"? when has he "bust" a planet without absorbing it. Absorbing isnt busting.

4. if hes faster, its by barely anything...Inarius crossed half the world in seconds himself, so his speed if < Pyrons is by a fraction.

2. Yeah, any attack will go thru a star, if it is not incinerated. Like Superman for example. 🙂

3. ...I have posted them COUNTLESS times! They are from one of his endings. First page of the Respect thread, posted by SBP. He could bust it with a finger if he wants. 😬 Oh, and absorbing a planet is even more impressive than busting it.

4. Pyron crossed the whole thing in a little less than 2 seconds, 20% power.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. You can't disprove it either. 😉 Thing is, he eats planets, and the things on planets that produce light, clearly have light in them. He can absorb light. 🙂 Sound I don't know.

2. Yeah, any attack will go thru a star, if it is not incinerated. Like Superman for example. 🙂

3. ...I have posted them COUNTLESS times! They are from one of his endings. First page of the Respect thread, posted by SBP. He could bust it with a finger if he wants. 😬 Oh, and absorbing a planet is even more impressive than busting it.

4. Pyron crossed the whole thing in a little less than 2 seconds, 20% power.

1. true, they produce light....he can absorb those things..never has he been proven to absorb light itself, for exampe if i want, i can put some thick gloves on and punch my light pulb into shatters, sending the room into darkness..but i havnt just punched light or destroyed light itself. The difficulty Pyron would have is there is no such source, Tyrael "is" light and sound.

2. A star can blow, in fiction stars have been destroyed, where does it say Pyron is made from stars? your saying hes a tiny star walking about.

3. his endings, endings that are uncanon? i see, so no he could never bust it with a finger, he could only absorb it, and that takes him the time to open out his chest and send his beam.

4. thats lightspeed, i think i have deleted that as a rule for the battle. Anyway his speed will determine nothing in this fight

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. true, they produce light....he can absorb those things..never has he been proven to absorb light itself, for exampe if i want, i can put some thick gloves on and punch my light pulb into shatters, sending the room into darkness..but i havnt just punched light or destroyed light itself. The difficulty Pyron would have is there is no such source, Tyrael "is" light and sound.

2. A star can blow, in fiction stars have been destroyed, where does it say Pyron is made from stars? your saying hes a tiny star walking about.

3. his endings, endings that are uncanon? i see, so no he could never bust it with a finger, he could only absorb it, and that takes him the time to open out his chest and send his beam.

4. thats lightspeed, i think i have deleted that as a rule for the battle. Anyway his speed will determine nothing in this fight

2. Not really. When he is hit by an electric attack, his skeleton appears as a constellation. He is formed by starlike material.

3. Uncanon endings show canon abilities, this is a very basic fighting game rule. His finger is bigger than planets. Why can't he bust it with one?

4. No, it is not lightspeed. Light is so fast it can go around the world 7 times in a second. It is faster than Tyrael tho. 🙂

If KMC Game Versus was scanned trough, many of the things said around here would be proven inaccurate 😄

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. He absorbs the producer and the light that is in it. That was a very poor analogy.

2. Not really. When he is hit by an electric attack, his skeleton appears as a constellation. He is formed by starlike material.

3. Uncanon endings show canon abilities, this is a very basic fighting game rule. His finger is bigger than planets. Why can't he bust it with one?

4. No, it is not lightspeed. Light is so fast it can go around the world 7 times in a second. It is faster than Tyrael tho. 🙂

1. no it was a good one against a very bad assumption, much like the bad assumption he absorbs light..nothing can suggest this..does he absorb gravity, time and space as well next i suppose.

2. hit? so he can be hit, so starlike material and he gets hit anyway..

3. Rings are not abilities, lightspeed would be an ability, mini sun creation and creation of robots are abilities...what the ending shows is him with rings, their not abilities..its an uncanon showing assuming hes just beaten/absorbed all the combatants including the powerhouse Jedah (chortle chortle) and Demitri who is the canon one to destroy him.

4. i remember you trying to debate at 20% he was going round the planet at lightspeed in another thread...*shrug* possibly slightly faster, maybe double or 50% faster.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. no it was a good one against a very bad assumption, much like the bad assumption he absorbs light..nothing can suggest this..does he absorb gravity, time and space as well next i suppose.

2. hit? so he can be hit, so starlike material and he gets hit anyway..

3. Rings are not abilities, lightspeed would be an ability, mini sun creation and creation of robots are abilities...what the ending shows is him with rings, their not abilities..its an uncanon showing assuming hes just beaten/absorbed all the combatants including the powerhouse Jedah (chortle chortle) and Demitri who is the canon one to destroy him.

4. i remember you trying to debate at 20% he was going round the planet at lightspeed in another thread...*shrug* possibly slightly faster, maybe double or 50% faster.

2. Gameplay mechanics, weakened Pyron.

3. ...He wears planets for rings, they are smaller than his fingers, do you really think he can't do it? Also, Jedah was not alive when Pyron came to earth, he awakened after Pyron was absorbed. He no doubt recieved a power boost, but thing is, he is shown with MULTIPLE planets as his rings(adding earth as one of them), which means he could always do that size.

4. I was wrong. In the OVA, at 20% he is below it, tho is still faster than thought I think. Oh, and using math, he could fly around the earth once in less than .5 seconds(which is still not quite lightspeed) at 100%. 🙂

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Not really. Gravity is there because the planet is there, it disappears once it is gone. Time? Time wasn't energy last time I checked...Space? No, space is not physical at all. HE can absorb light, planets have many things with light in them, and produce it. Light is energy. Energy doesn't disappear, it has to go somewhere. It goes to Pyron. 313

2. Gameplay mechanics, weakened Pyron.

3. ...He wears planets for rings, they are smaller than his fingers, do you really think he can't do it? Also, Jedah was not alive when Pyron came to earth, he awakened after Pyron was absorbed. He no doubt recieved a power boost, but thing is, he is shown with MULTIPLE planets as his rings(adding earth as one of them), which means he could always do that size.

4. I was wrong. In the OVA, at 20% he is below it, tho is still faster than thought I think. Oh, and using math, he could fly around the earth once in less than .5 seconds(which is still not quite lightspeed) at 100%. 🙂

1.Gravity is there because the planet is there, gravity is a force, i was being sarcastic, your sayin just because light is an energy type he can absorb it ,even thought he never has.

3. tiny planets they must be, as weve seen, his chest is about as big a hellstorm, which you say is several times jupitor, so he must wear dwarf planets for rings then.

4. well in this one hes at 100%, just human sized.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1.Gravity is there because the planet is there, gravity is a force, i was being sarcastic, your sayin just because light is an energy type he can absorb it ,even thought he never has.

3. tiny planets they must be, as weve seen, his chest is about as big a hellstorm, which you say is several times jupitor, so he must wear dwarf planets for rings then.

4. well in this one hes at 100%, just human sized.

3. They are earth's size.

4. Still faster than Tyrael. 😎

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. But he clearly has.

3. They are earth's size.

4. Still faster than Tyrael. 😎

1. has he? when? show me..

3. can you prove this? but anyway, uncanon

4. yes...and..

There is no way Tyrael can pull this battle trough 😛

Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
[b]There is no way Tyrael can pull this battle trough 😛 [/B]

no i designed it so he will definatley stop at the last battle, but the other battles, he has some chances. i say he may get to 11 however, he has that chance. Then dies horribly at the hands of the primeevils.

I do not believe he can get further than Sargeras, but I lack decent knowledge about most of these 😛