Tyrael Takes on the Gauntlet

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Too bad Pyron is energy and can't be touched either, even tho I can't prove that either.

2. Yeah, it shows his size. OVA shows his actual moveset and fighting style best, which is why I use it. Yeah, he grew more powerful by absorbing earth, but he also had MULTIPLE planets for rings, which means he has been doing it for a long time. Uncanon endings in fighting games show canon abilities. PHAIL!

3. Or maybe rather than that, he is solid? Ever thought of that? Also, Pyron at 20% traveled around the world in less than 2 seconds. At 100% he would be 5 times faster. Also, you said Inarius traveled half the world in about the same time Pyron did? That would make him half as slow, dur. Actually, 100% Pyron would be 10 times faster with a little math. 🙂 Also, Pyron is not mortal. He lost his mortality 200 million years ago. That so-called "caramel" almost always envelops him, it has nothing to do with him eating planets. All he did was look at the planet bent over with his arms wrapped around, then he shot the beam.

1. no if he is energy he cannot be hit...by physical powers, magic on the other hand is not his friend 😉

2. Multiple planets hes never worn before this time, because hes only just got big enough to use them, thanks to the earth absorb and the fighters.

3. Solid on what assumption? your trying to argue light and sound is solid? against nothing...nothing has ever hit tyraels body, Diabo has smashed in his breastplate...then your triyng to say his armour is not magic, it has no effects you think? or he could not hold his armour/weapons with Tk? even though it has the power to level mountains. half as slow dur? thats exactley what i said dur...which isnt anything, pyron goes round the whole world in 2 seconds, Inarius goes half in 2/3 seconds, thats about 2/3 seconds diffrence in their speed timings...barely anything at all. I never said anything about him being mortal, i just added that because i was describing how he shrouds himself. Yes it shows it takes time, he moves over the planet, he puts his arms around then pulls them back sending the beam, not fast, not quick at all it seems.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. no if he is energy he cannot be hit...by physical powers, magic on the other hand is not his friend 😉

2. Multiple planets hes never worn before this time, because hes only just got big enough to use them, thanks to the earth absorb and the fighters.

3. Solid on what assumption? your trying to argue light and sound is solid? against nothing...nothing has ever hit tyraels body, Diabo has smashed in his breastplate...then your triyng to say his armour is not magic, it has no effects you think? or he could not hold his armour/weapons with Tk? even though it has the power to level mountains. half as slow dur? thats exactley what i said dur...which isnt anything, pyron goes round the whole world in 2 seconds, Inarius goes half in 2/3 seconds, thats about 2/3 seconds diffrence in their speed timings...barely anything at all. I never said anything about him being mortal, i just added that because i was describing how he shrouds himself. Yes it shows it takes time, he moves over the planet, he puts his arms around then pulls them back sending the beam, not fast, not quick at all it seems.

2. Prove. It. You can't. He is shown wearing multiple planets as rings. Also, I just realized sumthin, he already absorbed those planets, so he must of remade them as rings. Yays, Pyron can make planets. 🙂 Also, how powerful of a boost do you think the earth really made him? Most of the cast are bantha fodder to Pyron.

3. He can touch solid objects for one. Pyron goes around the world in less that 2 seconds...at 20% power...Inarius in about the same time went halfway. VAST speed difference. So he has to put his arms around the planet to eat it? That's stupid,it makes no sense and is an assumption, you are downplaying Pyron so much it's ridiculous. There is no charge, he just was looking at the planet with his hands at it, then ate it.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. True, magic is not his friend. But since no proof at all points to Tyrael being intangible, a big flaming fist is not his. Pyron could also just beat his breastplate in, then break his puny sword, and make Tyrael his angelic b*tch. Or, grab him by the breastplate, and throw his ass into a few mountains. Also, I just realized sumthin, why did you weaken Pyron for this fight? I'm not even really talking about size, Pyron is just as powerful the size of a human as he is a giant(he weakened his body when he fought Demitri), it is his speed that you lessened. Matter of fact, all you are doing is downplaying Pyron thru the whole debate.

2. Prove. It. You can't. He is shown wearing multiple planets as rings. Also, I just realized sumthin, he already absorbed those planets, so he must of remade them as rings. Yays, Pyron can make planets. 🙂 Also, how powerful of a boost do you think the earth really made him? Most of the cast are bantha fodder to Pyron.

3. He can touch solid objects for one. Pyron goes around the world in less that 2 seconds...at 20% power...Inarius in about the same time went halfway. VAST speed difference. So he has to put his arms around the planet to eat it? That's stupid,it makes no sense and is an assumption, you are downplaying Pyron so much it's ridiculous. There is no charge, he just was looking at the planet with his hands at it, then ate it.

1. yeh right, no proof you cant punch light and sound..ridiculous..break his "puny" thousand of beings killed sword and his breastplate that has neither been cracked, dented or even smudged actually, not even had a scrape on it, praps Tyrael will just blast pyron with magic out of reality like inarius warps the roof of his cathedral out of reality. Grab tyrael, yes pretending light and sound can be grabbed in your own little unvierse, unfortunatley, the battleground follows real world rules where you cant touch light or sound. Never downplayed him, spoken the truth, youve overhyped him most of the battle. i lessoned his speed because if i gave him his normal speed it would be pointless due to his momentum buildup required for >light speeds not to menstion it would be pointless battle, hed just keep beaming at Tyrael over and over until he gets bored, stops and Tyrael trumps him with magic.

2. No its you who has to prove "your" characters points..not i...prove to me that him wearing planets for rings is viable, is an ability in the first place and nothing to do with him absorbing Earth or other characters...since hes never shown the rings before (havnt you said this rubbish before in another thread)

3. Just because "he" if "he" chooses to do so with his vast telekinetic powers and his supernatural nature can will himself to touch objects means nothing to do with others touching his body. its not "Vast" at all, its like the diffrence between 30 mph and 60, not much diffrence, at 60 mph a character doesnt blitz the 30 mph being, the speed diffrence is not much at all. No what i was describing is what hes doing in the scan, putting his arms either side, getting close before he sends beam out of his chest.

it seems you cannot comprehend light and sound, at the same time as speed diffrences.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. yeh right, no proof you cant punch light and sound..ridiculous..break his "puny" thousand of beings killed sword and his breastplate that has neither been cracked, dented or even smudged actually, not even had a scrape on it, praps Tyrael will just blast pyron with magic out of reality like inarius warps the roof of his cathedral out of reality. Grab tyrael, yes pretending light and sound can be grabbed in your own little unvierse, unfortunatley, the battleground follows real world rules where you cant touch light or sound. Never downplayed him, spoken the truth, youve overhyped him most of the battle. i lessoned his speed because if i gave him his normal speed it would be pointless due to his momentum buildup required for >light speeds not to menstion it would be pointless battle, hed just keep beaming at Tyrael over and over until he gets bored, stops and Tyrael trumps him with magic.

2. No its you who has to prove "your" characters points..not i...prove to me that him wearing planets for rings is viable, is an ability in the first place and nothing to do with him absorbing Earth or other characters...since hes never shown the rings before (havnt you said this rubbish before in another thread)

3. Just because "he" if "he" chooses to do so with his vast telekinetic powers and his supernatural nature can will himself to touch objects means nothing to do with others touching his body. its not "Vast" at all, its like the diffrence between 30 mph and 60, not much diffrence, at 60 mph a character doesnt blitz the 30 mph being, the speed diffrence is not much at all. No what i was describing is what hes doing in the scan, putting his arms either side, getting close before he sends beam out of his chest.

it seems you cannot comprehend light and sound, at the same time as speed diffrences.

2. http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/arcade/d/nwpyr.htm

He already was wearing rings, he just recieved earth as a new one and became more powerful.

3. Evidence points to him not being intangible. So yeah, phail. 60 is twice 30, and Pyron's speed is twice Inarius' at 20%, only their speed are greater, let's just say Pyron is like 6,000 miles per second and Inarius is 3,000, pretty big difference, huh? Also, that is only 20% Pyron. The speed difference is huge.

Anything here even hint it is charged? I think not.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Did you not say Diablo bashed it in? Also, Inarius can warp his cathedral's roof? A nonliving entity with no power? Pyron's whole existence is a mockery of reality. Oh, so now you cop out and make it a rule that Tyrael can't be touched, despite no evidence that he can? Wow, why not just give him the Infinity Gauntlet? I said grab his BREATPLATE. Spoken the truth? Lol bullshit, you always downplay Pyron cause A. you dislike him and B. he is stronger than Tyrael. Also, if he is indeed made of light, Pyron just goes over him and shrouds half his body with his shadow. 🙄 Also, Tyrael has a shadow does he not? How can sound and light have a shadow?

2. http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/arcade/d/nwpyr.htm

He already was wearing rings, he just recieved earth as a new one and became more powerful.

3. Evidence points to him not being intangible. So yeah, phail. 60 is twice 30, and Pyron's speed is twice Inarius' at 20%, only their speed are greater, let's just say Pyron is like 6,000 miles per second and Inarius is 3,000, pretty big difference, huh? Also, that is only 20% Pyron. The speed difference is huge.

Anything here even hint it is charged? I think not.

1. no i said Diablo hit it, its physical but not neccerily destructable, never belmished, scratched or any damage whatsoever. Reality warping is reality warping, he does it with a gesure, he could just warp pyrons face away lol...would be funny, the guy without a face, or use his time manip and use it to warp away pyrons entire head or body leaving the rest of him to turn to other energy sources and dead matter. I didnt make it a rule, physics does, unless you can find me a example of where in real life someone or something has physicall touched light and sound. grab his breastplate..how wonderful, go straight near Tyrael where he can easily use a power to destroy pyron with, warp or his holy sword either one. i dont "dislike" him, i dislike his overated claims, i have no reason to dislike a fiction character. B; stronger in only physical, otherwise hes a chump without the means to cause Tyrael any realm harm. Why do you keep trying to debate against his intangibility the facts are as follows: Light and sound he is made from--->light and sound cannot be touched by physical means---> so anything you say in debate against it is an assumption against the facts, if it has a shadow or does things against other laws of physics then its Tyraels doing or some other speculation, but what is not speculation is he is made from light and sound and light and soudns properties.

2. Nothing on there would make Earth seem a new ring...we see him clearly smaller than Earth in that pic when he absorbs it, so Earth=his powerup=uncanon....as youve said before, if somthing gains a powerup its uncanon and unsuable in debates, not to menstion those rings must be small if hes barely the size of Earth in that instant.

3. no evidence points to this at all, your just constantly chewing at the same bone, over and over..yes you phail. No double isnt huge, not blitzable huge, not sound-light huge like in kain vs pyron battles, Tyrael can actually move. also Charged no...slow? yes..the guy seems to have small range for the beam getting up close and then swinging his arms out to expel the beam, its slow in comparison to his target

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. no i said Diablo hit it, its physical but not neccerily destructable, never belmished, scratched or any damage whatsoever. Reality warping is reality warping, he does it with a gesure, he could just warp pyrons face away lol...would be funny, the guy without a face, or use his time manip and use it to warp away pyrons entire head or body leaving the rest of him to turn to other energy sources and dead matter. I didnt make it a rule, physics does, unless you can find me a example of where in real life someone or something has physicall touched light and sound. grab his breastplate..how wonderful, go straight near Tyrael where he can easily use a power to destroy pyron with, warp or his holy sword either one. i dont "dislike" him, i dislike his overated claims, i have no reason to dislike a fiction character. B; stronger in only physical, otherwise hes a chump without the means to cause Tyrael any realm harm. Why do you keep trying to debate against his intangibility the facts are as follows: Light and sound he is made from--->light and sound cannot be touched by physical means---> so anything you say in debate against it is an assumption against the facts, if it has a shadow or does things against other laws of physics then its Tyraels doing or some other speculation, but what is not speculation is he is made from light and sound and light and soudns properties.

2. Nothing on there would make Earth seem a new ring...we see him clearly smaller than Earth in that pic when he absorbs it, so Earth=his powerup=uncanon....as youve said before, if somthing gains a powerup its uncanon and unsuable in debates, not to menstion those rings must be small if hes barely the size of Earth in that instant.

3. no evidence points to this at all, your just constantly chewing at the same bone, over and over..yes you phail. No double isnt huge, not blitzable huge, not sound-light huge like in kain vs pyron battles, Tyrael can actually move. also Charged no...slow? yes..the guy seems to have small range for the beam getting up close and then swinging his arms out to expel the beam, its slow in comparison to his target

2. We see him eat earth and then stare at his hand, signifying he just added a new ring to his collection. Also, he can change his size, or have you forgotten this? He has been bigger than Earth before, it is ridiculous to say he's not now. And his size change is instant.

3. Yeah, there is. Double is huge if the speeds are that fast, and also, Pyron at 100% is 10 times faster, at 20% he's double. He moved his arms back so his arm wouldn't be in the blasts way, duh. Also...how slow do you think moving your arms back is?

Oh, and then Pyron has the choice of matter manipulating Tyrael, which he can do. In his fight with Bishamon, who is a man that is possessed by a powerful Makai samurai armor and katana, he separated the man from the demon, when their souls were bound. That's pretty powerful matter manip.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Warp Pyron's face away? He makes it back. Warp his head away? WARPS IT BACK. His body? How? Energy doesn't just disappear. Why doesn't he just do the same to Diablo? Pyron is stronger physically, he is faster, and has more power output. Pyron shrouds Tyrael with his shadow. 😂 Light and sound can't have a shadow, unless it is so compressed somehow and it is solid, he is solid.

2. We see him eat earth and then stare at his hand, signifying he just added a new ring to his collection. Also, he can change his size, or have you forgotten this? He has been bigger than Earth before, it is ridiculous to say he's not now. And his size change is instant.

3. Yeah, there is. Double is huge if the speeds are that fast, and also, Pyron at 100% is 10 times faster, at 20% he's double. He moved his arms back so his arm wouldn't be in the blasts way, duh. Also...how slow do you think moving your arms back is?

Oh, and then Pyron has the choice of matter manipulating Tyrael, which he can do. In his fight with Bishamon, who is a man that is possessed by a powerful Makai samurai armor and katana, he separated the man from the demon, when their souls were bound. That's pretty powerful matter manip.

1. he warps it back? wtf...now your giving him powers he doesnt have. Energy does not...correct..thats why its called "warping" reality silly lol... why? CIS, why doesnt Pyron do half of his super godlike feets your giving him to stop Demitri, he cannot. Its not really CIS, Diablo is just far beyond the realms of Tyrael. If he was solid then he wouldnt be light and sound ,you can have solid light and sound..your talking some pretty funny bs

2. so now your assuming hes changing at will instantly in size just to suit your argument...theres no proof of this, no proof hes doing it then, hes earth size in it, theres nothing to say those rings are large at all.

3. he released the energy from his chest and seemed to have to be close in the first place

4. matter manip, how is that matter manip in any way, shape or form..

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. he warps it back? wtf...now your giving him powers he doesnt have. Energy does not...correct..thats why its called "warping" reality silly lol... why? CIS, why doesnt Pyron do half of his super godlike feets your giving him to stop Demitri, he cannot. Its not really CIS, Diablo is just far beyond the realms of Tyrael. If he was solid then he wouldnt be light and sound ,you can have solid light and sound..your talking some pretty funny bs

2. so now your assuming hes changing at will instantly in size just to suit your argument...theres no proof of this, no proof hes doing it then, hes earth size in it, theres nothing to say those rings are large at all.

3. he released the energy from his chest and seemed to have to be close in the first place

4. matter manip, how is that matter manip in any way, shape or form..

2. ...He has changed size instantly, I have proved this time and time again. The fact that earth is one of his new rings proves his large size...I just realized sumthin. Why is this even being argued? It has no relevance to this debate. This is human sized Pyron.

3. Why does he have to be close? For one, he was on the planet at first, then grew larger, of course he's going to be close. Why would he not? What, do you expect him to move away, then go back towards it lol?

4. Sorry, I worded that badly. Bishamon is a human, possessed by an armor named Hanya, and a sword named Kien. Both put together with a host are a powerful B+ class Makai. The armor is part of his body now, and they are connected to his soul. Pyron used his power to separate them. Get it now?

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. I mean he shapeshifts it back, lol. Pyron WEAKENED himself when he fought Demitri. And Demitri is pretty powerful. He is solid, only solid things have shadows. Also, he is a magical being, saying he is solid light and sound isn't far fetched for a magical being.

2. ...He has changed size instantly, I have proved this time and time again. The fact that earth is one of his new rings proves his large size...I just realized sumthin. Why is this even being argued? It has no relevance to this debate. This is human sized Pyron.

3. Why does he have to be close? For one, he was on the planet at first, then grew larger, of course he's going to be close. Why would he not? What, do you expect him to move away, then go back towards it lol?

4. Sorry, I worded that badly. Bishamon is a human, possessed by an armor named Hanya, and a sword named Kien. Both put together with a host are a powerful B+ class Makai. The armor is part of his body now, and they are connected to his soul. Pyron used his power to separate them. Get it now?

1. shapeshifts it back. since whne has he ever shapshifted a missing part of his body, Tyrael would warp it compeltly out of reality, pyrons never shapeshifted a missing part of his body back, infact Pyron could be completly warped out of reality, Tyraels cathedral roof is far larger than human sized pyron so really this particular part of the gauntlet is a mismatch. You shot yourself in the foot, magic things can have light and sound solid? but magic things cannot have light and sound with shadows? lose...lol, thast a good point in my favour, Tyrael warps reality in so many other ways and defies logic with his powers and is made of light and sound, most of the major characters in Diablo defy logic and reality half the time. Diablo characters directly have the ability t touch immaterial objects, in the book Uldyssian who is half angel/demon simply wills it and he can touch Gulag who is made of liquid.

2. Yes, but nothing in that scan possibly suggests he changes size instantly, and its not said either, the first scan we see is the only one we can compare in size, and hes smaller than Earth, but as you say, irrelevent.

3. your saying his absorbtion is long ranged, in every instance of pyrons absorbing hes right near the planet, as we see from the scan he is close to hellstorm, Earth when he takes it, and he travels to every planet in turn, hes never absorbed from long range, so it would be an assumption completly to think he can, if hes always done it close.

4. ime still confused, thats doesnt sound any more matter manip than TK, removing a guys armour from his body?

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. shapeshifts it back. since whne has he ever shapshifted a missing part of his body, Tyrael would warp it compeltly out of reality, pyrons never shapeshifted a missing part of his body back, infact Pyron could be completly warped out of reality, Tyraels cathedral roof is far larger than human sized pyron so really this particular part of the gauntlet is a mismatch. You shot yourself in the foot, magic things can have light and sound solid? but magic things cannot have light and sound with shadows? lose...lol, thast a good point in my favour, Tyrael warps reality in so many other ways and defies logic with his powers and is made of light and sound, most of the major characters in Diablo defy logic and reality half the time. Diablo characters directly have the ability t touch immaterial objects, in the book Uldyssian who is half angel/demon simply wills it and he can touch Gulag who is made of liquid.

2. Yes, but nothing in that scan possibly suggests he changes size instantly, and its not said either, the first scan we see is the only one we can compare in size, and hes smaller than Earth, but as you say, irrelevent.

3. your saying his absorbtion is long ranged, in every instance of pyrons absorbing hes right near the planet, as we see from the scan he is close to hellstorm, Earth when he takes it, and he travels to every planet in turn, hes never absorbed from long range, so it would be an assumption completly to think he can, if hes always done it close.

4. ime still confused, thats doesnt sound any more matter manip than TK, removing a guys armour from his body?

2. And in the second scan he is much larger than a planet that is several times Jupiter's size. Also, I know you said human size, but I assume you still allow him to change his size of his limbs or whatever to aid him in battle?

3. It's a beam. Why does he go close to the planet? For one, the only two times he has ever been seen to have eaten a planet, he was ALREADY ON THE PLANET! Also, it would appear as if he doesn't have to be larger than the planet to eat it, as in his ending, he was shown to be at a size signifigantly smaller than Earth.

4. No no...you are not getting it...Hanya and Kien when they possessed Bishamon LITERALLY became part of his body, and his soul. Pyron separated them.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. He can shapeshift himself to the point where he has no real body at all, like a wheel or sumthin. Also, he changes size, he can shapeshift and grow that part of his body. Warp Pyron out of reality? Has he ever done it to someone so powerful, you know, someone who could fight back? Also, when has he manipulated life at all? More things point to him being solid than not. All you have is the fact that he is light and sound. I have the fact that he touches things, has a shadow, and also, if he were light and sound, half of his body would move at the speed of sound, the other at light, half of his body is split apart because of the difference in the other half's speed. 🙂 Ever thought maybe he is made of light and sound, but is still solid? You know, cause he's magic? Science is like...never is a factor in the Diabloverse. Also, as for touching a dude made of liquid, you can already touch liquid. 😐

2. And in the second scan he is much larger than a planet that is several times Jupiter's size. Also, I know you said human size, but I assume you still allow him to change his size of his limbs or whatever to aid him in battle?

3. It's a beam. Why does he go close to the planet? For one, the only two times he has ever been seen to have eaten a planet, he was ALREADY ON THE PLANET! Also, it would appear as if he doesn't have to be larger than the planet to eat it, as in his ending, he was shown to be at a size signifigantly smaller than Earth.

4. No no...you are not getting it...Hanya and Kien when they possessed Bishamon LITERALLY became part of his body, and his soul. Pyron separated them.

1. yes thats shaping his body, when a piece of him is actually warped out of reality and doesnt excist anymore, hes likely to die instantly anyway, and in this fight, as i said mismatch, one shot and hes a gonner. Your talking sillyness again, what you going to ask me for, an actual vid or clip showing him warping pyron next, and power is dependant on the beholder has pyron ever survived or been attacked by reality warping? as if power of a being matters with reality warping, its warping reality 🙄 . Nothing points to him being solid, especially your own argument you keep using over and over "being magic, maybe he can be solid light/sound" then i can easily flip that and being magic he can easily do the things that give him a shadow and allow him to do physical things especialyl since he has strong TK usage. Also i worded that wrong, the creature is made of liquid, and the dude grabbed it like it was a physical object.

3. because he goes close to every planet we see him take, if he was using a long range beam he could do it from a distance, he would just enter the solarsystem and just sit there beaming all the planets, but no he moves towards Earth as he does every planet, you have nothing to suggest its a long range beam anyway.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. yes thats shaping his body, when a piece of him is actually warped out of reality and doesnt excist anymore, hes likely to die instantly anyway, and in this fight, as i said mismatch, one shot and hes a gonner. Your talking sillyness again, what you going to ask me for, an actual vid or clip showing him warping pyron next, and power is dependant on the beholder has pyron ever survived or been attacked by reality warping? as if power of a being matters with reality warping, its warping reality 🙄 . Nothing points to him being solid, especially your own argument you keep using over and over "being magic, maybe he can be solid light/sound" then i can easily flip that and being magic he can easily do the things that give him a shadow and allow him to do physical things especialyl since he has strong TK usage. Also i worded that wrong, the creature is made of liquid, and the dude grabbed it like it was a physical object.

3. because he goes close to every planet we see him take, if he was using a long range beam he could do it from a distance, he would just enter the solarsystem and just sit there beaming all the planets, but no he moves towards Earth as he does every planet, you have nothing to suggest its a long range beam anyway.

3. HE WAS ALREADY ON THE PLANETS! Also, he travels the cosmos to see if the planet will have worthy opponents, like he did earth.

Also, he just manipulates Tyrael to a doorknob. But you may say,"No he can't, Tyrael is intangible!" So are souls, and he did that just fine with Bishamon.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Pyron can take holes to the chest and stuff, why can't he take part of him being torn apart? Pyron can easily one shot Tyrael, he is faster, stronger, and has more power output. Has Pyron ever been attacked by reality warping? His very existence as I said is a mockery of reality. Power of a being does matter with warping reality, like when one of the nullifiers was used on Mad Jim Jaspers in Marvel comics, and had no effect(when said nullifier would kill a full power Big G). Also, if power of a being doesn't matter, why doesn't he one shot the Prime Evils? Yeah, you assume he is intangible, and is simultaneously able to do all these things(like making himself have a shadow, which is a ridiculous waste of effort to do btw), but I say he is solid because of his magical nature, doesn't matter wtf he is made of. Honestly, my explanation makes much more sense than yours. So a difference character can do sumthin means Tyrael can? Right...

3. HE WAS ALREADY ON THE PLANETS! Also, he travels the cosmos to see if the planet will have worthy opponents, like he did earth.

Also, he just manipulates Tyrael to a doorknob. But you may say,"No he can't, Tyrael is intangible!" So are souls, and he did that just fine with Bishamon.

1. Its not being torn apart, its being deleted from reality, big diffrence, one shot tyrael in your imaginary dimension where pyrons overhypes are real yes...1 shot tyrael? no..hes light and sound, pyron will just hit his head on the breastplate then get deleted...also stronger? where is a strength feet...your overhyping again, more power output? the guy has the power over 1000 planet destructions, thats far more than pyron could ever achieve, everything Inarius does is effortlessly and with a wave of his hand. if he used the full power of his TK it would no doubt smash a hole through the planet. Your saying some BS again, a mockery of reality? lmao.....what you talking about now, hes a cosmic energy being, thats it..who will be warped out of excistence, hes never defenced against it whatsoever. MJJ survives because he warps reality himself on an incredible scale, the entire universe he is in, he can form the rules of and his own self, he does what he wants, he cannot be compared to pyron in any way. Why doesnt he? something we dont know yet, all we know is that the prime evils douche Archangels...the fact we dont know how, maybe they are immune to reality warping, taking into account what me and remindme told you about Diablo and his brothers, that they are like supreme beings for the burning hells at their prime, they seem to excist beyond reality themselves. No i dont assume anything, your asusming hes not, the fact hes light and sound means he is intangable, what your saying holds less evidence, infact i did not pic up on that before, when do we see a shadow?, as ive said his armour is all physical at least, what makes you think the shadow is not from his armour, if there is a shadow at all, ive seen none in the videos unless you talking about his gameplay model....and no doesnt mean Tyrael can definatley do it, but its a good example of an effect beings can do in Diabloverse, its not an unkown of ability to warp things so liquid and immaterial objects can be touched, also to menstion the guy who does it has angelic heritage in him and is amplified by Inarius or a demon thorugh a lot of the book.

3. Manip Tyrael to a door knob? you using Hyperbole now? has he ever done anything like this with a character, the most the guy does according to you is seperate the armour thats fused to a guy...nothing impressive, especially not for matter manip, if your talking about souls then souls are not matter, so your wasting your time.

Tyrael stops time, warps pyron out of excistence, onto battle 10 without expending any power.

Pyron crushes him with a finger.

Love has blinded you, young one..

"Pyron for the battle can only be humanoid size"

I like how he crippled most of his opponents for this fight. Nice. I should make a Pyron vs. Limbless and blind Kain thread.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
I like how he crippled most of his opponents for this fight. Nice. I should make a Pyron vs. Limbless and blind Kain thread.

Weakening foes is a little bit of a tradition here at KMC..

That's pretty stupid, I could get making a thread limiting both to H2H to see who comes out on top in a fistfight, but this is essentially Tyrael vs. a bunch of parapelegics.

CRIPPLE FIGHT!!!

Timmy >>>> Tyrael.

He made Shadow's Chaos powers only last five minute and only be usable once, took away all mind control, limited Pyron's size to human and his speed below lightspeed, pretty much took a dump on all of Hyper Sonic's powers, took the TWS from KOSMOS, but I do love how he basically made Kain even more powerful.