Originally posted by Fire Ninja
But, he still defeated him which was the point. You tried to make it seem like Iron-Man could never defeat the Hulk, when he has. 😬
Even in that one time he knocked Hulk out, he needed the plot device of a plane exploding to put Hulk in a daze first.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Which is why Iron-Man was able to handle Namor underwater? When hulk tried that, he was KTFO and reverted back to Banner.
Originally posted by Accel
You make it sound like that's a norm for Tony.
I don't see how I could possibly make it sound like a norm by saying tony stands a chance. 😬
Originally posted by Accel
In multiple scenarios, he's proven to pretty much ineffectual to Hulk, even when he's had others backing him up.
Like that, huh?
Please do not respond by showing me a scan of Tony fighting like an idoit in a avengers comic.
Originally posted by Accel
… because he was underwater. In fact, before his big final clash with Namor in that fight, Namor used a whirlpool to suck all the air out of Hulk’s lungs.
You mean just like when Iron Man fought Namor underwater?
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
I don't see how I could possibly make it sound like a norm by saying tony stands a chance. 😬
Heck even classic IM often had his hands full with She-Hulk.
The only victory he gained over Hulk was mainly due to a plot device.
Originally posted by Fire NinjaLike that, huh?
Please do not respond by showing me a scan of Tony fighting like an idoit in a avengers comic.
Iron Man can send every thing he’s got in his arsenal towards Hulk: punches, lasers, magnetism, nanites, etc.
Almost every single time, they’ve proven to be ineffectual.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
You mean just like when Iron Man fought Namor underwater?
Originally posted by Accel
Because he doesn’t. Especially not classic IM.
Despite the fact that I just posted a scan of him K.O.ing him?
Originally posted by Accel
Heck even classic IM often had his hands full with She-Hulk.
You act like the Hulk doesn't have low showings? He's been knocked out by a cement truck for God sakes. If you want to bring up his losses, then I'll mention Hulk being K.O.ed by:
-The Wrecker
-Lightining while fighting Blackbolt
-Namor
-Struggles against Sandman
-Loses to abomination
And his silver age showings has him:
-Maxing himself out trying to destroy a robot built by banner, which he failed and reverted back to banner
-Losing to Gorgon
-Losing to the abomination
-Being K.O.ed by a crude missle built by a spy working under the leader
-Maxing himself out trying to escape restraints built by banner
-Losing to the leaders Plastic Men
Et cetera
Originally posted by Accel
The only victory he gained over Hulk was mainly due to a plot device.
And?
He still won, did he not?
You act like Hulk does not use plot devices, every hero does. Furthermore, Classic Iron-Man was tiered at the same strength margin as Hulk. But, I'm sure that means nothing.
Originally posted by AccelExcept Hulk got out of that just fine, so what’s the point of trying to prove any thing with it?
You said Iron mans attacks a usually ineffective against the Hulk. Does that look ineffective?
Originally posted by Accel
Iron Man can send every thing he’s got in his arsenal towards Hulk: punches, lasers, magnetism, nanites, etc.Almost every single time, they’ve proven to be ineffectual.
Show me a scan of this happening, please. So far, all the scans I've seen are of Iron-Man using fistucuffs against Hulk.
Originally posted by Accel
Difference is, Hulk couldn’t breathe. This is also around the same when Hulk was easily capable of losing consciousness when he ran out of air.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Despite the fact that I just posted a scan of him K.O.ing him?
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
You act like the Hulk doesn't have low showings?
That’s as low as it gets. 🙂
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
If you want to bring up his losses, then I'll mention Hulk being K.O.ed by:-The Wrecker
-Lightining while fighting Blackbolt
-Namor
-Struggles against Sandman
-Loses to abominationAnd his silver age showings has him:
-Maxing himself out trying to destroy a robot built by banner, which he failed and reverted back to banner
-Losing to gorgon
-Losing to the abomination
-Being K.O.ed by a crude missle built by a spy working under the leader
-Maxing himself out trying to escape restraints built by bannerEt cetera
It still doesn’t change the fact that classic Iron Man’s attacks have proved to be ineffective against classic She-Hulk on more than one occasion.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
And?He still won, did he not?
And almost killing himself in the process.
And there’s the fact that every other time he’s tried to take Hulk down with brute force, he failed. Miserably.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
You act like Hulk does not use plot devices, every hero does. Furthermore, Classic Iron-Man was tiered at the same strength margin as Hulk. But, I'm sure that means nothing.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
You said Iron mans attacks a usually ineffective against the Hulk. Does that look ineffective?
That’s pretty much the definition of “ineffective.”
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Show me a scan of this happening, please. So far, all the scans I've seen are of Iron-Man using fistucuffs against Hulk.
There’s one where Hulk’s fighting Iron Man, Wonder Man, Vision, and Scarlet Witch. You’ll see Iron Man blasting Hulk only to get thunderclapped away.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Still lost, though
I guess this means Hulk beat the Silver Surfer in their latest clash. And the sky-father being Dormammu. And Thor. And entire groups of Avengers.
All of which are far above Iron Man.
Originally posted by Accel
Which, as we just went over, isn’t even close to being his norm and was done via plot device.
So, what?
Your acting as if said plot device was augmenting Iron-Man's strength in some magical way. He was just dazed, and Iron-Man laid him out. If Iron-Mans strength was not in close proximity to Hulks limits, then he would have remained conscious. He did not, So, he lost.
Originally posted by Accel
You act like any of these make a difference. Most of these are due to external circumstances (i.e. under water with Namor) or from people who are far more powerful than Iron Man.
Namor is like the only one, which is why you keep repeating it. Hulk got his but handed to him fair and square.
Originally posted by Accel
It still doesn’t change the fact that classic Iron Man’s attacks have proved to be ineffective against classic She-Hulk on more than one occasion.
PIS, it's the same with Thor using his hammer and being K.O.ed by the Hulk.
Originally posted by Accel
Sure. Via plot device.And almost killing himself in the process.
Except that Tony is always dying because he has a piece of Sharpenel lodged in his heart. And, some plot device, Hulk was just dazed. Does that mean anyone can knock him out just because he's dazed?
Originally posted by Accel
And there’s the fact that every other time he’s tried to take Hulk down with brute force, he failed. Miserably.
Okay, and?
I never said he could own him with brute force, just that he stands a chance against the Hulk generally. Furthermore, most of those instances are due to the fact that Hulk Gripped his armor and Ripped it apart as savage Hulk.
Originally posted by Accel
Yeah, because it didn’t hurt him and he got out of it with little trouble.That’s pretty much the definition of “ineffective.”
He's spinning Hulk like a draddle, and it's ineffective because he was not hurt?
Nevermind that the Hulk is incapasated.
Originally posted by Accel
I’m not your errand boy. Just look at his respect thread. I’m sure you‘ll find all those instances there.
Burden of Proof is on you, though.
Originally posted by AccelThere’s one where Hulk’s fighting Iron Man, Wonder Man, Vision, and Scarlet Witch. You’ll see Iron Man blasting Hulk only to get thunderclapped away.
Yeah, because I was really advocating that Tony could one-shot the Hulk? 🙄
Originally posted by AccelSo the circumstances of a fight don’t matter? Only who wins and who loses?
Not when they are falsely associated with a victory. I guess if Hulk is dazed, Anyone can knock him out?
Originally posted by AccelI guess this means Hulk beat the Silver Surfer in their latest clash. And the sky-father being Dormammu. And Thor. And entire groups of Avengers.
All of which are far above Iron Man.
Were using classic incarnations buddy. So, why are you mentioning current?
Furthermore, are any of these people stated to be in close proximity in terms of strength to the Hulk like Iron-Man is to the Hulk?
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
So, what?Your acting as if said plot device was augmented Iron-Man's strength in some magical way. He was just dazed, and Iron-Man laid him out. If Iron-Mans strength was not in close proximity to Hulks limits, then he would have remained conscious. He did not, So, he lost.
Hulk being dazed in the first place is what gave Tony the opportunity to use his punch in the first place.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Namor is like the only one, which is why you keep repeating it. Hulk got his but handed to him fair and square.
If I beat Mike Tyson by shooting him in both legs and then proceed to beat him down with a steel pipe, would you say I won that fight?
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
PIS, it's the same with Thor using his hammer and being K.O.ed by the Hulk.
At least the She-Hulk and Thor examples are consistent throughout the comics.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Except that Tony is always dying because he has a piece of Sharpenel lodged in his heart. And, some plot device, Hulk was dazed.
Hulk’s taken explosions, lightning, and even Iron Man’s lasers head on, but the light from an airplane explosion dazes him enough for Iron Man to take him down? Please.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Okay, and?I never said he could own him with brute force, just that he stands a chance against the Hulk generally.
If it did happen, it certainly doesn’t mean it’ll ever happen again.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
He's spinning Hulk like a draddle, and it's ineffective because he was not hurt?
Do you even know what “ineffective” means?
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Burden of Proof is on you, though.
I already gave you the instance. You shouldn’t have any problems finding it.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Yeah, because I was really advocating that Tony could one-shot the Hulk? 🙄
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Not when they are falsely associated with a victory. I guess if Hulk is dazed, Anyone can knock him out?
Do you deny that Namor sucked just about all the air out of Hulk’s lungs in the middle of their fight?
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Were using classic incarnations buddy. So, why are you mentioning current?
Originally posted by Accel
So chances are it was just a one-time thing that will never happen again.
It doesn't have to, the fact that it did happen proves my point. If Tony stood no chance, why did Hulk get K.O.ed? Furthermore, I referring only to classic incarnations.
Originally posted by Accel
Hulk being dazed in the first place is what gave Tony the opportunity to use his punch in the first place.
And, Iron-Man knocking him out proves he has the strength.
Originally posted by Accel
Yet you keep ignoring the circumstances involved.If I beat Mike Tyson by shooting him in both legs and then proceed to beat him down with a steel pipe, would you say I won that fight?
Nothing like that happened in the fights I stated, the only one is possibly the Namor fights. You have yet to even adress the list I made and I'm ignoring things?
Originally posted by Accel
Yet Iron Man taking Hulk down with a punch is acceptable, despite him proving time and again that not only has he not been capable of doing such a thing in the past, but Hulk has also shown he can easily shrug off attacks far stronger than what Tony can dish out?
I love how you ignore the fact that Hulks durability is variable and is not definite. Furthermore, you ingore the fact that Hulk did not start off that strong, he's been K.O'ed by things far less than what Iron-Man can take during the Silver Age.
Originally posted by Accel
At least the She-Hulk and Thor examples are consistent throughout the comics.
It makes no sense, though regardless of how consistent it is. Thor with his hammer should dispose of the Hulk in two seconds, and please show evidence of She-Hulk consistently owning Tony.
Originally posted by AccelHulk’s taken explosions, lightning, and even Iron Man’s lasers head on, but the light from an airplane explosion dazes him enough for Iron Man to take him down? Please.
Are all lasers the same?
Does every Lightning bolt have the same voltage? 😬
Your simply over emphasizing Hulks high-end showings for the sake of debate. It's obvious that his strength is variable and we should count averages like we always do. Besides, Iron Man is tiered on Hulks level.
Originally posted by AccelAnd I stand a chance of winning the lottery. Doesn’t mean it’s ever going to happen.
If it did happen, it certainly doesn’t mean it’ll ever happen again.
Stil happened though. 🙂
Originally posted by Accel
Yes, because no damage was done and absolutely nothing was achieved for Tony.Do you even know what “ineffective” means?
He immobolisized him, how is that not effective in a fight?
So, if I paralyzed you in a fight, would it be ineffective because it's painless?
Originally posted by Accel
The thread’s just a forum below this one.I already gave you the instance. You shouldn’t have any problems finding it.
Burden of proof is on you, I'm not going to search just to verify your claim. You made it, so, back it up or concede it.
Originally posted by Accel
No, just that his attacks could do any serious damage when, barring a single incident, they never have.
Which is why Hulk had to disguise himself as a clown and Run away during Avenger #1?
Hulks really only owned Iron-Man during one instances, when he was seperated from Banner. He became much stronger, then before.
Originally posted by AccelFalsely associated? In what way?
Do you deny that Namor sucked just about all the air out of Hulk’s lungs in the middle of their fight?
He did it in one of the fights he had with Namor. Furthermore, Namor was not the only person listed. Where's your explanation for Hulk losing to all those people I listed?
Originally posted by Accel
Doesn’t matter. Most of those were classic any way. Heck, in the Silver Surfer example, Hulk was even weaker than his classic incarnation.
What versions do you think we are using, did I not post Classic on this thread for no reason. This is classic versions only, no current. Furthermore, Surfers a jobber, he's lost to Iron-Man as well.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
It doesn't have to,
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
If tony stood no chance, why did Hulk get K.O.ed?
In. Con. Sis. Ten. Cy. 😐
It’s like talking to a kid who’s plugging his ears and singing really loudly.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
And, Iron-Man knocking him out proves he has the strength.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Nothing like that happened in the fights I stated, the only one is possibly the namor fights.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Yu have yet to even adress the list I made and I'm ignoring things?
Namor? Underwater.
Sandman? Immune for the most part to physical damage.
Wrecker? More powerful than Tony.
Original Strength Abomination? Far more powerful than Tony.
Black Bolt? Are you kidding me?
Overall, none of those you listed have any relevance to how much a chance Tony stands here.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
I love how you ignore the fact that hulks durability is variable and is not definite. Furthermore, you ingore the fact that Hulk did not start off that strong, he's been K.O'ed by things far less than what Iron-Man can take during the Silver Age.
Seriously, if you think Tony’s going to be taking Hulk in the few moments into the fight, that just isn’t going to be the case.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
It makes no sense, though regardless of how consistent it is.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
and please show evidence of She-Hulk consistently owning tony.
Uncanny X-Men Annual #7 (Rogue with Jen’s powers was unphased by Tony’s blasts)
And of course the recent clash between Jen and Tony when she found about him sending her cousin into space.
And we both know Tony’s current armor is much more powerful than it was before so don’t bother waving those last two instances away because they weren’t ‘classic.’
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Are all lasers the same?Does every Lightning bolt have the same voltage? 😬
Your simply over emphasizing Hulks high-end showings for the sake of debate. It's obvious that his strength is variable and we should count averages like we always do.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Stil happened though. 🙂
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
😄oh: He immobolisized him, how is that not important in a fight?
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Burden of proof is on you, I'm not going to search just to verify your claim. You made it, so, back it up or concede it.
There. You have the issue, so you’re free to either go out and pick it up or just check the thread.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Which is why Hulk had to disguise himself as a clown and Run away during Avenger #1?
Have you just run out of things to say to make a case any more?
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Besides, he's done damge besides that one instance.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
He did it in one of the fights he had with Namor. Furthermore, Namor was not the only person listed. Where's your explanation for Hulk losing to all those people I listed?
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
What versions do you think we are using, did I not post Classic on this thread.
Seriously, it’s not hard to comprehend. 😐
Originally posted by Accel
Tony better hope it does if he ever wants to beat Hulk like that again.
He doesn't have too, since we are discussing the classic version of Tony that did it.
Originally posted by Accel
Plot. De. Vice.In. Con. Sis. Ten. Cy. 😐
It’s like talking to a kid who’s plugging his ears and singing really loudly.
Plot device- Which did nothing but buy tony time to tap into a power he already has. 😐
Inconsistent- What is it inconsistent with, how often have the fought to the finish?
Originally posted by Accel
And the multitudes of times where he couldn’t do diddly shit to Hulk don’t mean a thing?
Because he did not max out his armor and what multitudes of times? Only other times was against savage Hulk or a skirmish with the avengers. They've never really fought like that during the classic era.
Originally posted by Accel
Yes, it did happen in the Namor battles where he knocked out Hulk.
Namor isn't the only person I named. It’s like talking to a kid who’s plugging his ears and singing really loudly.
Originally posted by Accel
Did you miss the part where I mentioned that most of the people on your list are either far more powerful than Tony or that they beat him through external means?Namor? Underwater.
Sandman? Immune for the most part to physical damage.
Wrecker? More powerful than Tony.
Original Strength Abomination? Far more powerful than Tony.
Black Bolt? Are you kidding me?
Overall, none of those you listed have any relevance to how much a chance Tony stands here.
Wrecker stronger than tony? LMFAO, are you kidding me?
We already adressed Namor, man.
Abomination is stronger than the Hulk as well.
BlackBolt? I said Lightning while fighting BlackBolt.
Hell, I've never seen a missle K.O. Iron Man versus The Hulk.
I love how you nitpick points:
Where's the explanation for the Leader, Banners Robot, Gorgon ?
Originally posted by Accel
And more often than not, he’s taken attacks more powerful than any thing in Tony’s arsenal, even when he just transformed.
Because his strength is variable, keep ignoring that and what attacks would this be that is comparable to a full powered Iron Man.
Originally posted by Accel
Seriously, if you think Tony’s going to be taking Hulk in the few moments into the fight, that just isn’t going to be the case.
Said he has a chance, which he does.
Originally posted by Accel
Yet Iron Man taking Hulk down does make sense, regardless of how [b]inconsistent it is? [/B]
Inconsistent compared to what classic showings?
the ones with Hulk retreating or Savage Hulk seperated from Banner?
Originally posted by Accel
Savage She-Hulk #6Uncanny X-Men Annual #7 (Rogue with Jen’s powers was unphased by Tony’s blasts)
And of course the recent clash between Jen and Tony when she found about him sending her cousin into space.
None of those are classics, what part of that is hard to get?
Originally posted by Accel
And we both know Tony’s current armor is much more powerful than it was before so don’t bother waving those last two instances away because they weren’t ‘classic.’
And jen is not more powerful then she was before?
Are you comparing Current Jen to Classic Iron man?
Originally posted by Accel
You honestly consider Hulk not being dazed by several explosions, Iron Man’s very blasts, and Captain Marvel’s lightning, all far more powerful than an ordinary plane explosion to just be high-end showings?
Captain Marvel, from DC comics?
Were counting crossovers now?
And, he's been K.O.ed by explosions as well. Like that missle I mentioned.
Originally posted by AccelDon't hold your breath that it'll happen again...
Don't care, still happened. 🙂
Originally posted by AccelThe fact that Hulk can easily get out of it? Hell, he could simply just thunderclap and get out of it while knocking Tony back in the process.
How's he gonna do that if he cannot move?
Originally posted by Accel
Incredible Hulk Vol. 2 #7.There. You have the issue, so you’re free to either go out and pick it up or just check the thread..
1999 is classic?
Originally posted by Accel
Even though that has absolutely nothing to do with any thing?Have you just run out of things to say to make a case any more?
Nope, just one of the many instances they have fought. You keep harping Iron Man winning is inconsistent. Yet, ignore the fact that their fights usually go like this. There only real fight showed Iron man winning.
Originally posted by Accel
The recent Surfer one was a weaker version, so it doesn’t matter there.Seriously, it’s not hard to comprehend. 😐
Don't care, recent fights have zero barring in this thread.
Originally posted by AccelWell by all means, don’t go through the trouble of listing any of them.
Avengers #3
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
He doesn't have too, since we are discussing the classic version of Tony that did it.
Do you have Autism or something?
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Plot device- Which did nothing but buy tony time to tap into a power he already has. 😐Inconsistent- What is it inconsistent with, how often have the fought to the finish?
The inconsistency is that in practically every single fight that Iron Man has fought against Hulk, he’s proved to be ineffective.
In their first confrontation ever (Avengers #1), Hulk easily damaged Tony’s armor.
In Avengers #3, the best Tony could do was keep Hulk at bay with his magnetic repulsors until Thor arrived.
In Avengers #3, Fantastic Four #26, Avengers #5, and in the fight against Mindless Hulk, Iron Man had the help of other Avengers and he still couldn’t do any real damage.
Then you have to take into consideration that Hulk has taken nuclear bombs up close, hundreds of thousands of volts from Zzzax, missiles head-on
Then you have the fact that people like Thor, Hercules, Thing, Wonder Man, Abomination, Bi-Beast, and many other people who pack far more raw power than Iron Man have pounded on Hulk to no avail on multiple occasions.
Now, with all that in mind, you expect any one to believe that all of a sudden that not onll an ordinary plane explosion can cause Hulk to go into a daze, but that Iron Man, by himself, with his inferior strength, can knock out Hulk? Just because of a low showing here and there?
Hulk’s higher showings aren’t just higher showings. They greatly trump all of his lamer showings in terms of quanitity.
That is the very definition of “inconsistency” and there is no use trying to argue otherwise.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Namor isn't the only person I named. It’s like talking to a kid who’s plugging his ears and singing really loudly.
If you’re going to copy one of my insults like a five-year-old, at least back it up with a logical argument.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Wrecker stronger than tony? LMFAO, are you kidding me?
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
We already adressed Namor, man.Abomination is stronger than the Hulk as well.
BlackBolt? I said Lightning while fighting BlackBolt.
Hell, I've never seen a missle K.O. Iron Man versus The Hulk.
I love how you nitpick points:
Where's the explanation for the Leader, Banners Robot, Gorgon ?
Tony is no where near as strong as original Abomination. He is no where near as powerful as Black Bolt, so he will not be replicating the amount of damage that BB is capable of. He does not have the advantage of taking the air out of Hulk’s lungs like Namor does underwater. He is not immune to physical harm like Sandman.
In short, as usual, nothing you have posted here helps your case that Tony can replicate any thing these guys can do.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
None of those are classics, what part of that is hard to get?And jen is not more powerful then she was before?
Are you comparing Current Jen to Classic Iron man?
Iron Man’s gotten more upgrades than Hulk and She-Hulk combined. If any thing, his showings against them currently, in his stronger, faster armor, and still not being able to take them down without cheap shots, just further cements how less of a chance classic Iron Man stands against classic Hulk.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Captain Marvel, from DC comics?Were counting crossovers now?
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Don't care, still happened. 🙂
You’ve been clinging to that argument like a security blanket this whole debate.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
How's he gonna do that if he cannot move?
He already did it in that fight against Iron Man and the other Avengers. Hell, he’s even resisted a force-field that was able to change the orbit of a planet. He’s even resisted Vector’s matter-repelling rays.
All he has to do is grow a little stronger and clap his hands.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
1999 is classic?
But just in case you still try to act like none of that makes a difference and ignore any logic here, I’ll just once again refer to Avengers #3, Fantastic Four #26, Avengers #5 all where Iron Man couldn’t cause any lasting damage whatsoever.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Nope, just one of the many instances they have fought. You keep harping Iron Man winning is inconsistent. Yet, ignore the fact that their fights usually go like this. There only real fight showed Iron man winning.
I’ve cited at least 3-4 fights where Iron Man couldn’t do diddly against Hulk, even with backup. And that’s all classic material right there. The 1999 fight didn’t even need a mention, but it certainly doesn’t help Tony’s case a single bit.
The fact is, you’ve been ignoring every other confrontation between the two only to satisfy your fantasy that Iron Man knocking Hulk out made sense and was consistent, despite the fact that I’ve listed evidence that:
- He only did it with a plot device that he can’t redo on his.
- Even with the plot device, the incident still didn’t make sense, mainly because Hulk’s taken God knows how many explosions to the face and hasn’t been put into a daze because of it.
- Hulk has taken multiple blows from beings far stronger and more powerful than Iron Man on a regularly basis.
- With the help of other Avengers at his disposal, Tony couldn’t do any real damage to Hulk.
Yet you continue to argue like that one fight somehow has bearing over every other confrontation they’ve had.
Iron Man blasts Hulk, Hulk shrugs it off. IM punches Hulk, Hulk just punches back. IM tries to use those magnetic repulsors, Hulk just thunderclaps him unconscious.
No matter how you swing it, if Iron Man engages Hulk by himself, he’s going down.
Originally posted by Accel
With the help of a frigging plot device. The same plot device that you don’t seem to comprehend gave him the victory in the first place.
It’s because of the plot device in the first place that he was able to do something like that. The fact that it’s not something he can replicate on his own is what makes it such a significant factor that you continue to neglect.
Again, it's irrelevant to Iron Man's strength. Hulk being stunned did nothing to Iron Mans Physical capabilities. If he has the strength to knock him out, then he has a chance against him. If he had no chance then why did he even knock him out even with a simple plot device? Did that plot device augment his strength in anyway? It only gave Tony the chance to attack, that's it. If stood no chance, then Tony's attack should have done nothing. It did, meaning he has the the power to defeat the Hulk at the cost of his armor. Infact, if Iron Man could not K.O. the Hulk in the first place. What would be the point of giving him a plot device?
Originally posted by Accel
The inconsistency is that in practically every single fight that Iron Man has fought against Hulk, he’s proved to be ineffective.In their first confrontation ever (Avengers #1), Hulk easily damaged Tony’s armor.
In Avengers #3, the best Tony could do was keep Hulk at bay with his magnetic repulsors until Thor arrived.
No, he did not easily bust his Armor, and Iron Man was not even using his repulsors in Avengers #1. They were trying to subdue the Hulk, not beat him up.
As soon as Hulk was caught by said repulsors, Thor instantly came. Iron Man did not do anything to the Hulk because he did not want too. Furthermore, what do you mean his best? Iron Man trying to Fisticuff Hulk is his Best? 😕
Also, incapacitating him is doing nothing?
Originally posted by Accel
In Avengers #3, Fantastic Four #26, Avengers #5, and in the fight against Mindless Hulk, Iron Man had the help of other Avengers and he still couldn’t do any real damage.
Mindless Hulk is a stronger version of Hulk, though.
The fight with the Fantastic four was a huge brawl where each member got in the others way.
Hulk was Subdued in Avengers #3 😬
Yes, Iron Man losing in a Fisticuffs.
Originally posted by Accel
Then you have to take into consideration that Hulk has taken nuclear bombs up close, hundreds of thousands of volts from Zzzax, missiles head-on
And the fact that has been K.O.ed by Lightning, A missile, and a Bomb. 😬
You seem to believe that by bringing up Hulks Highest feats from his respect thread. That your actually debating, even though we use averages in this forum. 😬
Originally posted by Accel
Then you have the fact that people like Thor, Hercules, Thing, Wonder Man, Abomination, Bi-Beast, and many other people who pack far more raw power than Iron Man have pounded on Hulk to no avail on multiple occasions.
A>B>C Logic
-Thing is not stronger than Iron Man, please.
-Thor Should be able to whoop Hulks butt, and a mind controlled Thor attacked a weaken tony before. He managed to Hold his own just fine.
-Abomination has defeated hulk many times, So, where did you get this no avail crap from?
Like I said, Iron Man is ranked at Hulks tier, this is a fact.
Originally posted by Accel
Now, with all that in mind, you expect any one to believe that all of a sudden that not onll an ordinary plane explosion can cause Hulk to go into a daze, but that Iron Man, by himself, with his inferior strength, can knock out Hulk? Just because of a low showing here and there?
Again, listing his highest showings does not do you justice. If Hulk can take Nukes on a regular basis, why is he phased or Hurt by punches? Are said punches all Nuke level?
Originally posted by Accel
Hulk’s higher showings aren’t just higher showings. They greatly trump all of his lamer showings in terms of quanitity.
Which is why he's been captured by Leaders Plastic Men several times, Gorgon, lost to a banner Bot, Struggled against wendigo, I could go on with this. What's really funny is that you tried to say that he has those feats in massive quantity. So, Hulk takes nukes on a regular basis?
Originally posted by Accel
Word of advice, slick.If you’re going to copy one of my insults like a five-year-old, at least back it up with a logical argument.
Why bother, only five year olds make insults in the first place. Why do I even need to insult you over a debate about comics? Gimmie a break and grow up.
Originally posted by Accel
You think Tony’s stronger than the leader of the band of guys who took down Dr. Strange and who can fight evenly with Thor himself on a regularly basis? Are you kidding me?
He never fought evenly against Thor, he beat down a weakened Thor. Took down strange, PIS. It took the whole wrecking crew to defeat a drunk Hercules and they ambushed him.
Originally posted by Accel
And again, NONE of this has any thing to do with Iron Man.
Why not, because you can't argue them?
Originally posted by Accel
Tony is no where near as strong as original Abomination. He is no where near as powerful as Black Bolt, so he will not be replicating the amount of damage that BB is capable of.
What damage, they were regular Lightning bolts. He did not increase there strength.
Originally posted by Accel
He does not have the advantage of taking the air out of Hulk’s lungs like Namor does underwater.
It's funny that you ignore the fact that Iron Man was not wearing is marine Armour during that fight.
Originally posted by Accel
He is not immune to physical harm like Sandman.
He's more versatile though.
Originally posted by Accel
In short, as usual, nothing you have posted here helps your case that Tony can replicate any thing these guys can do.
Nice Strawman, I like how you do not even touch Gorgon, Leader or the Banner Bot.
Originally posted by Accel
The first two are classic. Hell, the first one took place in She-Hulk’s very 6th issue ever. That’s about as “classic” as it gets.
Got it confused with another issue, but where was tony owned by jen?
Originally posted by AccelAs for the other two, what difference does it make?
Not classic, I don't care.
Originally posted by Accel
Iron Man’s gotten more upgrades than Hulk and She-Hulk combined. If any thing, his showings against them currently, in his stronger, faster armor, and still not being able to take them down without cheap shots, just further cements how less of a chance classic Iron Man stands against classic Hulk.
Don't care, not classic.
Originally posted by Accel
Monica Rambeau? Captain Marvel/Photon/Pulsar? Any of this ringing a bell?
Since, when could he summon lightning?
Originally posted by Accel
By doing what he already did and use his strength to resist the field?
Originally posted by Accel
He already did it in that fight against Iron Man and the other Avengers. Hell, he’s even resisted a force-field that was able to change the orbit of a planet. He’s even resisted Vector’s matter-repelling rays.
Yes, at his highest showings, go figure. Your claiming that it happens on average.
Originally posted by Accel
All he has to do is grow a little stronger and clap his hands.
Tony just stuns him with the repulsors and K.O.'s him like he did before.
Originally posted by Accel
What the hell is with you and “classic?” Iron Man is the one who’s been upgraded so many times since the 70s and 80s. Hulk hasn’t shown any increase in his strength or durability since those times. If any thing, this shows once again how ineffective Tony is against Hulk, even when he has help.But just in case you still try to act like none of that makes a difference and ignore any logic here, I’ll just once again refer to Avengers #3, Fantastic Four #26, Avengers #5 all where Iron Man couldn’t cause any lasting damage whatsoever.
Blah, Blah, Blah
Enough red herrings by mentioning current comics.
I already addressed those particular comics. 🙂
Originally posted by AccelHorse shit.
I’ve cited at least 3-4 fights where Iron Man couldn’t do diddly against Hulk, even with backup. And that’s all classic material right there.
all of which you exaggerated and ignore Hulks lows in favor of his ridiculously high end feats.
Originally posted by Accel
The fact is, you’ve been ignoring every other confrontation between the two only to satisfy your fantasy that Iron Man knocking Hulk out made sense and was consistent, despite the fact that I’ve listed evidence that:- He only did it with a plot device that he can’t redo on his.
- Even with the plot device, the incident still didn’t make sense, mainly because Hulk’s taken God knows how many explosions to the face and hasn’t been put into a daze because of it.
I haven't ignored anything, versus you using red herrings (Current comics) and ignoring Hulks low ends.
-He could do it again as long as he has the strength. He could stun him with a Magnetic repulsor and K.O. him
-Because you keep digging his highest feats 🙂
Originally posted by Accel
- Hulk has taken multiple blows from beings far stronger and more powerful than Iron Man on a regularly basis.
- With the help of other Avengers at his disposal, Tony couldn’t do any real damage to Hulk.
- Like the leader and His plastic men who are regular Hulk villians. 🙂
- He had him pinned in the air with his Magnetic Repulsors
Originally posted by Accel
Yet you continue to argue like that one fight somehow has bearing over every other confrontation they’ve had.
Yes, because that is the only real one on one confrontation they've had.
Originally posted by Accel
Iron Man blasts Hulk, Hulk shrugs it off. IM punches Hulk, Hulk just punches back. IM tries to use those magnetic repulsors, Hulk just thunderclaps him unconscious.No matter how you swing it, if Iron Man engages Hulk by himself, he’s going down.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Again, it's irrelevant to Iron Man's strength. Hulk being stunned did nothing to Iron Mans Physical capabilities. If he has the strength to knock him out, then he has a chance against him. If he had no chance then why did he even knock him out even with a simple plot device? Did that plot device augment his strength in anyway? It only gave Tony the chance to attack, that's it. If stood no chance, then Tony's attack should have done nothing. It did, meaning he has the the power to defeat the Hulk at the cost of his armor. Infact, if Iron Man could not K.O. the Hulk in the first place. What would be the point of giving him a plot device?
What you continue to fail to realize is that Hulk being so dazed that even Iron man can knock him out doesn’t make any sense when regarding the multiple times he hasn’t been phased by such things in the past.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
No, he did not easily bust his Armor, and Iron Man was not even using his repulsors in Avengers #1. They were trying to subdue the Hulk, not beat him up.As soon as Hulk was caught by said repulsors, Thor instantly came. Iron Man did not do anything to the Hulk because he did not want too. Furthermore, what do you mean his best? Iron Man trying to Fisticuff Hulk is his Best? 😕
Also, incapacitating him is doing nothing?
What makes you think Hulk’s going to beaten like that? He’ll get dizzy and forfeit?
For that matter, what makes you think he couldn’t just thunderclap Tony away? There was nothing to indicate he couldn’t move his limbs and he’s resisted force fields from cosmic beings like Stranger and villains like Doom.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Mindless Hulk is a stronger version of Hulk, though.The fight with the Fantastic four was a huge brawl where each member got in the others way.
Hulk was Subdued in Avengers #3 😬
Yes, Iron Man losing in a Fisticuffs.
Even spinning him in the air isn’t any thing that’s shown it could keep Hulk from simply thunderclapping Tony away.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
And the fact that has been K.O.ed by Lightning, A missile, and a Bomb. 😬
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
You seem to believe that by bringing up Hulks Highest feats from his respect thread. That your actually debating, even though we use averages in this forum. 😬
So you tell me, which is more consistent?
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
A>B>C Logic-Thing is not stronger than Iron Man, please.
Excuse me if I don’t trust your judgment on respective strength levels.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
-Thor Should be able to whoop Hulks butt, and a mind controlled Thor attacked a weaken tony before. He managed to Hold his own just fine.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
-Abomination has defeated hulk many times, So, where did you get this no avail crap from?
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Every other time they’ve fought, Hulk whooped his ass.Like I said, Iron Man is ranked at Hulks tier, this is a fact.
But, hey, let’s just play with your notion that Iron Man is top-tier in strength. So is Thor. So is Hercules. So is Wonder Man.
Then there’s Sasquatch, Wendigo, Namor, Drax the Destroyer, Juggernaut, etc.
Guess how many of them have knocked out Hulk with pure brute force and without resorting to water tricks or trickery.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Again, listing his highest showings does not do you justice. If Hulk can take Nukes on a regular basis, why is he phased or Hurt by punches? Are said punches all Nuke level?Which is why he's been captured by Leaders Plastic Men several times, Gorgon, lost to a banner Bot, Struggled against wendigo, I could go on with this. What's really funny is that you tried to say that he has those feats in massive quantity. So, Hulk takes nukes on a regular basis?
“He’s also been KOed by lightning before, so his average is an ordinary bomb should knock him out.”
…….
Do you not see the ass-backwards logic in your reasoning? If Hulk’s shown to take high-level detonations multiple times consistently, then they must all just be high showings. If he’s beaten by single bomb on one occasion, that must be the standard to rate his durability.
And of course if Iron Man has failed to down Hulk in about a dozen fights, then it’s just low showings. But is he manages to finally KO Hulk just once, then it must be where his strength level is at.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Why bother, only five year olds make insults in the first place. Why do I even need to insult you over a debate about comics? Gimmie a break and grow up.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
He never fought evenly against Thor, he beat down a weakened Thor. Took down strange, PIS. It took the whole wrecking crew to defeat a drunk Hercules and they ambushed him.
Heck, even in the issue where you note he knocked out Hulk is the very same issue where the Wrecking Crew took out Strange. If you believe Strange being taken out to be PIS, then you must believe Wrecker knocking Hulk out to be PIS as well.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Why not, because you can't argue them?
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
He's more versatile though.
Magnetic Repulsors? All they’ve done is give Hulk a little joy ride that he could simply stop with a thunderclap.
Punching? Ineffective barring one instance where Tony was only able to do so with a cheap shot and it still nearly cost him his life.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Nice Strawman, I like how you do not even touch Gorgon, Leader or the Banner Bot.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Got it confused with another issue, but where was tony owned by jen?
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Not classic, I don't care.Don't care, not classic.
And you never specified just how “classic” you want this. Even a comic that took place nearly ten years ago can be considered “classic.”
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Since, when could he summon lightning?
