Sephiroth vs Samus Aran

Started by fascistcrusader23 pages

Look keo, you need to learn to comprehend what I'm saying before you try to debate. No one ever said concrete was the hardest material, not once, ever. Silly keo.

And your efforts were pretty piss poor.

You're describing your logic and comprehension, not my efforts to explain simple facts.

lol.

lol.

lol.

This is your argument? Samus is mortal and Sephiroth is god, therefore Samus loses?

Again, ignorance is a specialty around here.

Its an argument you obviously can't beat, or else you would legitimately try to counter it. Ignorance is common around here, and you being here makes it more so.

Yeah, sure. Concrete cutting is going far against Samus.

No one ever said just concrete, so your argument fails.

You'll survive heat hot enough to melt away a Space Pirate, or concussive force able to break through a substance harder than diamond?

Why aren't you in a comic?

People survive bad burns explosions more often than you'd think. I think I know my job better than you dear.

Wow! Sephiroth's that durable now? Still haven't run into a feat where he can tank her power beam... let alone her screw attack or power bomb.

Have you ever even seen what Sephiroth looks like? You clearly know nothing about him. He is stronger than the entire planets combined spirit energy, he prevents death with nothing but willpower. Samus' power beam is a flashlight to Sephiroth, her screw attack is not capable of hurting him at all, and he could take 100 power bombs and be not be fazed.

Is this logic inferior to your concrete = hardest and strongest material?

You really need to let go of the concrete thing dear, no one ever said it.

Umm... the cannon feat isn't canon. Virtual reality, holographic, training simulations tend to make that the case. Don't fall back on a non-existent feat. It's not pretty.

I know of building construction. He's cutting through concrete. At best, he's cutting through a few rebars. The tensile strength of rebars aren't makeups for the "hardest and strongest" material.

And jsut to inform you... if you think cutting "metal" is enough to cut down Samus, then you're pretty much living in a fanatasy world.

That settles it, you certainly have below average intelligence. The cannon thing is canon, the training simulators are designed to function exactly as real life would. Unless you think Sephiroth isn't really able to beat Genesis and Angeal because it is in a training simulator....

And if you actually watched Advent Children, you'd see that there are plenty of huge beams in it. ShinRa does not skimp on the best for themselves, those beams were made of the finest materials available, most likely a very strong alloy. After all, they did keep the ShinRa tower standing during the Meteor/Holy incident.

If Sephiroth could actually cut her.

Since logic and common sense are lost causes entirely with you, how about this. Sephiroth telekinetically turns off her shield, and then bisects her.

Silly Keollyn, you need to learn that when you're wrong, you're wrong. There's a reason everyone here disagrees with you. Kids these days, I tell ya.

YouTube video

Looks like little creatures to me, and these things are able to harm Samus, and even kill her.. and u say Sephiroths sword cant go through her barrier? Rofl!

Some people just lack common sense

Some people just lack common sense

Unfortunately so.

Ok..........you two are going a bit too far with this......fc, I don't think it's wise to say Sephiroth can take Samus' attacks and not be fazed.....well actually, considering he did take Genesis' spells and not be fazed speaks of his durability. Maybe Samus' attacks won't harm him...and then again they might. They're probably more effective than Genesis' attacks.

I'm sure Samus fights things larger than that..........and the fact that she gets hurt by them in the game is probably a false game mechanic, and she can withstand the heat of lava.

By the way, Sephiroth's spells are not just game mechanics, and why was I given Metroid scans........are they usable here? 😕

Last but not least........the fact that Sephiroth is a god and Samus isn't is not a justifiable reason as to why Sephiroth wins. I can state many counter examples....he wins (IMO) for other RATIONAL reasons...

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Look keo, you need to learn to comprehend what I'm saying before you try to debate. No one ever said concrete was the hardest material, not once, ever. Silly keo.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader

1. For starters the creators of him said he was a god, so tht holds as much weight as cement. Speaking of cement, Sephiroth goes through the hardest and strongest materials as if they were butter, and with enough force to cause them to burst into flames, and that is while he isn't even putting forth any effort. If he put a little more back into it, he would go completely through Samus with one motion.

http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=cement

Praytell, who am I quoting?


You're describing your logic and comprehension, not my efforts to explain simple facts.

Yeah yeah. What ever bullshit you come up with now passes as feats, eh?

Its an argument you obviously can't beat, or else you would legitimately try to counter it. Ignorance is common around here, and you being here makes it more so.

Things as idiotic as this are kind of hard to beat. You can't beat this level stupidity.

No one ever said just concrete, so your argument fails.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader

1. For starters the creators of him said he was a god, so tht holds as much weight as cement. Speaking of cement, Sephiroth goes through the hardest and strongest materials as if they were butter, and with enough force to cause them to burst into flames, and that is while he isn't even putting forth any effort. If he put a little more back into it, he would go completely through Samus with one motion.


People survive bad burns explosions more often than you'd think. I think I know my job better than you dear.

And people survived heat that burns a Space Pirate? Last I recall this was a topic about two fictional characters...

You do know where we're at, right?


Have you ever even seen what Sephiroth looks like? You clearly know nothing about him. He is stronger than the entire planets combined spirit energy, he prevents death with nothing but willpower. Samus' power beam is a flashlight to Sephiroth, her screw attack is not capable of hurting him at all, and he could take 100 power bombs and be not be fazed.

Yeah, sure. In your fanboy world.

.... I'm so going to have fun with this elsewghere

You really need to let go of the concrete thing dear, no one ever said it.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader

1. For starters the creators of him said he was a god, so tht holds as much weight as cement. Speaking of cement, Sephiroth goes through the hardest and strongest materials as if they were butter, and with enough force to cause them to burst into flames, and that is while he isn't even putting forth any effort. If he put a little more back into it, he would go completely through Samus with one motion.

That settles it, you certainly have below average intelligence. The cannon thing is canon, the training simulators are designed to function exactly as real life would. Unless you think Sephiroth isn't really able to beat Genesis and Angeal because it is in a training simulator....

Umm.. virtual simulations aren't real. Period.

The people USING the simulation are. So you're "unless.." kinda bombed there.

And if you actually watched Advent Children, you'd see that there are plenty of huge beams in it. ShinRa does not skimp on the best for themselves, those beams were made of the finest materials available, most likely a very strong alloy. After all, they did keep the ShinRa tower standing during the Meteor/Holy incident.

And Samus' armor alone is one of the strongest alloy in the galaxy.

Galaxy's finest tech > Planet's finest tech

Since logic and common sense are lost causes entirely with you, how about this. Sephiroth telekinetically turns off her shield, and then bisects her.

So that's why Sephiroth didn't psychically remove Cloud's sword from his hands...

And if [b]you knew Samus, you'd know that outside sources cannot shut off her any part of her suit.

Great work there genius.


Silly Keollyn, you need to learn that when you're wrong, you're wrong. There's a reason everyone here disagrees with you. Kids these days, I tell ya. [/B]

Appeal to popularity isn't my style. If you have to use a fallacy, you're pretty much admitting you have not a single clue what you're doing here.

They do have debate forums for children. Go join one.

I don't want to have to report anything......................

Originally posted by shin_gear

By the way, Sephiroth's spells are not just game mechanics, and why was I given Metroid scans........are they usable here? 😕

They're just as much usable as CC, LO, and AC. All canon sources.

I'm sure debarrier is one of Sephiroth's moves. Plus, do you think those sword slashes would go through her barrier?

^ obviously he thinks nothing goes through her barrior, yet these little creatures seem to hard her =\

Originally posted by shin_gear
I'm sure debarrier is one of Sephiroth's moves. Plus, do you think those sword slashes would go through her barrier?

You know what... Yes. Sephiroth slice clean through Samus' barrier, her armor, and then her. All in one simple swing.

Apparently, the proof others are using to prove that Sephiroth can go through her barrier is because creatures from her OWN verse deplete a portion of a tank (wow... a portion) in base armor (her barrier isn't even in base armor...)

If I was dickish, I would say that Cloud and co. can still take damage from level 1 opponents. But I bet that'll be wrong...

Well at the start of FFVII Cloud can take multiple shots from shinra soldiers, but if we're talking about Cloud in the late game low level creatures would be hitting Cloud for hours, until he'd need to use a phoenix down to recover.

Why we talking about Cloud anyway? Seph is far superior then Cloud

...well, at KMC usually people assume for instance, if something has not shown to have enough defense against something comparable to something else, then they have no defense against it.........which I don't entirely agree with.

We should just stick with our opinions and not get into such arguments that are almost meaningless.

My feet are cold...................I need socks. cry

Originally posted by Terryc250
Well at the start of FFVII Cloud can take multiple shots from shinra soldiers, but if we're talking about Cloud in the late game low level creatures would be hitting Cloud for hours, until he'd need to use a phoenix down to recover.

Why we talking about Cloud anyway? Seph is far superior then Cloud

Oh the level of hypocrisy in this post could create its own religion.

Originally posted by shin_gear
...well, at KMC usually people assume for instance, if something has not shown to have enough defense against something comparable to something else, then they have no defense against it.........which I don't entirely agree with.

We should just stick with our opinions and not get into such arguments that are almost meaningless.

My feet are cold...................I need socks. cry

Had to refresh my memory with a quick view of Cloud/Sephiroth fight. The major problem...

People have to be joking if they think someone who can take plasma, mini-grade nukes, lasers, proton beams/blades, hyper charged beams (that make all prior attacks ook like pillows), acid, subzero temp and lava is getting downed by someone who, in canon, only cut reinforced concrete.

...the only things, IMO, that should not be discussed in terms of gameplay are things like: invincibility when there's no logical explanation for it and: durability when it's obviously a false game mechanic, such as a human being getting hit by a sharp sword and not be wounded in the game.

Originally posted by Keollyn
Oh the level of hypocrisy in this post could create its own religion.

Did u not even read what i wrote?? Cloud barely takes any damage during the late game from creatures, lets see 1 dmg out of 9999 hp.. yet these little creatures Samus fights actually pose a threat to her.. not to mention this is CLOUD we're talking about.

Creatures wouldnt even phase Sephiroth, during final fantasy VII when u get to see Sephiroth fight, he impaled a 50 foot serpant like nothing, fought giant monsters and took no damage from them, and took no damage from magic attacks.. and this is all before Sephiroth ascended to new levels of power during AC.

Yet these little creatures pose a threat to Samus.. lol

Square Enix wanks Sephiroth to remarkable levels, lolz.

jk

Would've been nice if those fights against the monsters were shown in some clips, since I think what we can conclude from are that he receives 0 damage from them in the game.

He did however withstand Genesis's explosive attacks with the utmost ease.

Originally posted by shin_gear
M'kay, I'm getting tired of the lame name-calling. I'll report the next insult towards moi.

No more name calling?

Does that mean I can't call you by your name? How should I address you, then?

Seph...is this really a fight?

Originally posted by Terryc250
Did u not even read what i wrote?? Cloud barely takes any damage during the late game from creatures, lets see 1 dmg out of 9999 hp.. yet these little creatures Samus fights actually pose a threat to her.. not to mention this is CLOUD we're talking about.

Creatures wouldnt even phase Sephiroth, during final fantasy VII when u get to see Sephiroth fight, he impaled a 50 foot serpant like nothing, fought giant monsters and took no damage from them, and took no damage from magic attacks.. and this is all before Sephiroth ascended to new levels of power during AC.

Yet these little creatures pose a threat to Samus.. lol


Wow, I love how you base your arguments solely on game mechanics and such.

Reported.

^ For basing my arguments on gameplay and cutscenes? lmao, also find me the "no gameplay arguements allowed rule" smart guy