Originally posted by Sirius77
Aww, that sucks. I was hoping that hyperion would just pwn him and that would be that.But, just wondering, how did thor come back from such a vicious attack... much less win? Hyperion beat him pretty bad...
srug He was just back in the fray for issue 7. He also knocked down/out Zarda.
Originally posted by Sirius77Well, despite being fairly ambiguous, I assume you're attempting to make points using Galactus and Secret Wars? Cuz... one gets one-shotted by Guardian, and the other had Beyonder orchestrating an instant involving Spidey, so you can see how it's not quite the same as the exchange between Blackagar and Vortex.
Okay, you want to be rude? Fine.Reed Richards got the attention of a cosmic being. Spiderman got the attention of the beyonder. Does that mean that they are over supremeverse hyperion?
And no, I didn't feel the air rushing over my head. Just a moot point. 🙂
Originally posted by Sirius77Actually, what I said was the voice was superior to Hyperion's feat. And, that was just a whisper that did that kind of damage... do you realize how small a whisper is in comparison to, say, a scream?
One makes explosions all over the earth. Another shakes the entire thing with the intensity of a 10.7 earthquake on the ricter scale. I don't see how the first is in any way superior to the latter.
Voice > Hyp's feat
Originally posted by Sirius77Meh, I won't argue over semantics, except to point out that you're right, that's not nearly as impressive as just a punch...
Oh, and by the way, if you read supreme power, then you would know that it wasn't a punch, he just flew into the earth. Check the respect thread.
Originally posted by Sirius77Just pointing out the fishy factors. Notice how the damage Cyclops did was more noticable than the voice...?
And hollywood from the gotg survived the explosion of a galaxy, and his shirt was ripped. I don't really see how that matters in comics..
Originally posted by Sirius77No he didn't. The nanites were removed by a saboteur before Ironman could inject them. And BB's voice is rarely shown to be more than a whisper, and has knocked out both the Hulk and Gladiator. The voice has been stated to be capable of destroying planets, had gained the attention (when BB threatened to use it) of a galaxy collector, and has destroyed the Negative Barrier... a shield that, while being weakened, couldn't be scratched by the military raining fire on it for days. Also capable of taking down an obstruction that Thor couldn't scratch.
Hes on his way to pwning every member of the illuminati, and he's survived being injected with nanites specifically designed to strip his powers and then fought ironman in his new "hulkbuster" armor which
wwh pwned relatively easily. Hulk has survived alot of things that peoplethink that he shouldn't have. Also, the "voice" (if you would prefer that I call it that) has not been seen to do any more damage than a couple of nukes... I don't see how that will kill hyperion.
Originally posted by Sirius77😂
Unfortunately he did. It was cannon... Also, that isn't the first time that bb has screamed in front of his people. Sentry.... he screamed and medusa and crystal were right by him.
Originally posted by SpookySmurph
Well, despite being fairly ambiguous, I assume you're attempting to make points using Galactus and Secret Wars? Cuz... one gets one-shotted by Guardian, and the other had Beyonder orchestrating an instant involving Spidey, so you can see how it's not quite the same as the exchange between Blackagar and Vortex.
Regardless, just because an abstract talks about you, doesn't mean that you have amazing powers.
Originally posted by SpookySmurph
Actually, what I said was the voice was superior to Hyperion's feat. And, that was just a whisper that did that kind of damage... do you realize how small a whisper is in comparison to, say, a scream?
Also, I'm surprised that you don't know that the scream isn't voice activated. Its a mental process, he affects the electrons in the air
to cause a huge explosion. So it doesn't really matter if he screams
as loud as he can, it still won't change the intensity.
Originally posted by SpookySmurph
Voice > Hyp's feat
Actually no. They both affected the entire earth. One did damage to several parts of it. The other shook the entire thing. Theres a
difference. Hyperions feat is either equal to or greater than bbs
feat.
Originally posted by SpookySmurph
Just pointing out the fishy factors. Notice how the damage Cyclops did was more noticable than the voice...?
As you said. Semantics.
Originally posted by SpookySmurph
No he didn't. The nanites were removed by a saboteur before Ironman could inject them.
Yeah, I guess you're right. But that still doesn't change the fact thathyperion would pwn bb.
Originally posted by SpookySmurph
And BB's voice is rarely shown to be more than a whisper, and has knocked out both the Hulk and Gladiator.
Key word. The hulk. Not wwh. Also, I have seen some occasions where people have survived bbs voice. Its not that uncommon. And bbs voice knocking out gladiator was jobbing.
Originally posted by SpookySmurph
The voice has been stated to be capable of destroying planets,
Key word. Stated. It hasn't been shown on panel to do such.
Originally posted by SpookySmurph
had gained the attention (when BB threatened to use it) of a galaxy collector, and has destroyed the Negative Barrier... a shield that, while being weakened, couldn't be scratched by the military raining fire on it for days. Also capable of taking down an obstruction that Thor couldn't scratch.
wwh and sentry took it point blank in the face. Sentry didn't fight him, but wwh pwned him.
Originally posted by SpookySmurph
That wasn't a scream... check your facts. Also, where in WWH was it stated that Hulk received a scream?
It doesn't matter if he screamed or whispered. It has nothing to do with sound. It has the same affect if he screams or speaks. Either way, I doubt that he will have time to use it on hyperion.
Sentry was far above the initial whisper (I mean, he was high in the air), and wouldn't fight BB... because he would use his voice.
WWH was essentially, his only low showing, and his lowest showing.
Plus, when BB whispered into the planet, it made long dead volcanoes erupt, and it shook a continent on the other side of a planet.
He's also taken out Watcher Powered-Doom with his voice. Dazed Surfer with a whisper. Took out Glads with a whisper. Took out Huc twice or three times with a whisper. Etc.
Originally posted by Bransolute
Sentry was far above the initial whisper (I mean, he was high in the air), and wouldn't fight BB... because he would use his voice.WWH was essentially, his only low showing, and his lowest showing.
Plus, when BB whispered into the planet, it made long dead volcanoes erupt, and it shook a continent on the other side of a planet.
He's also taken out Watcher Powered-Doom with his voice. Dazed Surfer with a whisper. Took out Glads with a whisper. Took out Huc twice or three times with a whisper. Etc.
Then if it was just the volcanoes that shook the earth from being stimulated by bbs voice, then that lowers the power of the feat even more.
Regardless, as I said, bb won't get to use his voice. Hyperion will speed blitz him. Also, I doubt that bb can overpower hyperion.
Originally posted by Sirius77And only you cares. What matters is, that it was a whisper.
Then if it was just the volcanoes that shook the earth from being stimulated by bbs voice, then that lowers the power of the feat even more.Regardless, as I said, bb won't get to use his voice. Hyperion will speed blitz him. Also, I doubt that bb can overpower hyperion.
That's nice. Ikaris tried to blitz BB, and got KO'ed for his efforts.
We're talking about the guy that was punching around Savage Hulk... right?
Originally posted by Sirius77That's correct. However, the being in question was not talking about BB. It was going on about it's business, collecting galaxies, and Blackagar was about to unleash his voice upon it... and it blinked. It's not much different than I would act about say, the possibility of a Bumblebee stinging me. I guaran-****ing-tee you that that's above Hyperion's power.
Regardless, just because an abstract talks about you, doesn't mean that you have amazing powers.
Originally posted by Sirius77Based on what? Because years of canon material, stretching back to Black Bolt's origin, says that the damage that the voice deals depends on the intensity with which BB speaks, because it's a connected part of his brain that deals with speech and electron control.
Also, I'm surprised that you don't know that the scream isn't voice activated. Its a mental process, he affects the electrons in the air
to cause a huge explosion. So it doesn't really matter if he screams
as loud as he can, it still won't change the intensity.
Originally posted by Sirius77An infintismal fraction of one caused DEAD volcanoes to erupt and a continent to shake.
Actually no. They both affected the entire earth. One did damage to several parts of it. The other shook the entire thing. Theres a
difference. Hyperions feat is either equal to or greater than bbs
feat.
🙂
Originally posted by Sirius77That's blatant PIS.
As you said. Semantics.
Originally posted by Sirius77Based on what? ermmhappy
Yeah, I guess you're right. But that still doesn't change the fact thathyperion would pwn bb.
Originally posted by Sirius77Believe it or not, "WWH" is not a character, and thus would not engage in a fight. And only depending on the intensity with which he uses it...
Key word. The hulk. Not wwh. Also, I have seen some occasions where people have survived bbs voice. Its not that uncommon. And bbs voice knocking out gladiator was jobbing.
Based on what? BB's showings? Nuh-uh...
Originally posted by Sirius77Because then he'd destroy a planet... 😐
Key word. Stated. It hasn't been shown on panel to do such.
Originally posted by Sirius77Sentry didn't fight him because he knew that if BB spoke, it would wreck everyone.
wwh and sentry took it point blank in the face. Sentry didn't fight him, but wwh pwned him.
Originally posted by Sirius77It has to do with sound because, for BB, it's the same part of the brain, and thus depends on the level with which he utilizes that part of the brain.
It doesn't matter if he screamed or whispered. It has nothing to do with sound. It has the same affect if he screams or speaks. Either way, I doubt that he will have time to use it on hyperion.
Based on what...?
Originally posted by Bransolute
And only you cares. What matters is, that it was a whisper.
That shaking teh Earth thing, was likely Hype going at max speeds.
It doesn't matter if it was a whisper. His power has nothing to do with sound. It affects the electrons in the air in a way that it causes a powerful explosion.
Originally posted by Bransolute
That's nice. Ikaris tried to blitz BB, and got KO'ed for his efforts.
Yeah... Ikaris isn't as strong or as durable as hyperion.
Originally posted by Bransolute
We're talking about the guy that was punching around Savage Hulk... right?
If you're talking about ikaris, hes class 40 I believe. Hyperion is class 100.
Originally posted by Sirius77
It doesn't matter if it was a whisper. His power has nothing to do with sound. It affects the electrons in the air in a way that it causes a powerful explosion.
Originally posted by Sirius77
Yeah... Ikaris isn't as strong or as durable as hyperion.
Originally posted by Sirius77I'm talking about Black Bolt...
If you're talking about ikaris, hes class 40 I believe. Hyperion is class 100.
Originally posted by SpookySmurph
That's correct. However, the being in question was not talking about BB. It was going on about it's business, collecting galaxies, and Blackagar was about to unleash his voice upon it... and it blinked. It's not much different than I would act about say, the possibility of a Bumblebee stinging me. I guaran-****ing-tee you that that's above Hyperion's power.
Well, galactus himself feels punches from class 100s, and occasionally flinches. People don't really make much of a deal out of that... so no offense, but why are you?
Originally posted by SpookySmurph
Based on what? Because years of canon material, stretching back to Black Bolt's origin, says that the damage that the voice deals depends on the intensity with which BB speaks, because it's a connected part of his brain that deals with speech and electron control.
Scans?
Originally posted by SpookySmurph
An infintismal fraction of one caused DEAD volcanoes to erupt and a continent to shake.
And hyperion crashed himself into the earth and basically the same thing happened. Hyperion acted as if nothing happened. Could bb slam into the planet at that speed and live? Can bb have hyperion slam into him at that speed and survive?
Originally posted by SpookySmurph
Another required more movement than Hyperion will likely get in this match.
Hyperion is alot faster than bb.
Originally posted by SpookySmurph
This is all, of course, ignoring the fact that BB doesn't even need to speak to win this.🙂.
Ignoring the fact that hyperion can use his atomic vision at a seconds notice.
Originally posted by SpookySmurph
Believe it or not, "WWH" is not a character, and thus would not engage in a fight. And only depending on the intensity with which he uses it...
I never said that wwh was a character in this fight.
Originally posted by SpookySmurph
Because then he'd destroy a planet... 😐
Still hasn't shown it on panel. Thus it cannot be used as a feat.
Originally posted by SpookySmurph
Sentry didn't fight him because he knew that if BB spoke, it would wreck everyone.
Sentry was far above Blackagar.
Neither were screams.
BB did scream at sentry. Didn't you read the comic? All it did was move the skin on sentrys face. Same thing for wwh.
Originally posted by SpookySmurph
It has to do with sound because, for BB, it's the same part of the brain, and thus depends on the level with which he utilizes that part of the brain.
The intensity of his voice has nothing to do with the intensity of the scream. Any sound that he makes, the electrons are still manipulated, and thus the explosion is still activated.
Originally posted by Bransolute
However, in this scenario, it showed exactly where the blast went, and Sentry was far above it.
So if the blast has direction, then why is everything around bb still destroyed? Regardless of whether or noth you are in front of the blast, under bb, or beside him, appearently you will be affected. It has always been portrayed as an attack with a radius.
Originally posted by Bransolute
Based on?
The fact that he was able to be disentigrated by blastaar, and that he is class 40, and hyperion is class 100.
Originally posted by Bransolute
I'm talking about Black Bolt...
BB is still not above class 60. He still has not been shown to survive a blast with the force of 20 nukes.
Originally posted by Sirius77Nothing around BB is destroyed... only the direction that the blast went in.
So if the blast has direction, then why is everything around bb still destroyed? Regardless of whether or noth you are in front of the blast, under bb, or beside him, appearently you will be affected. It has always been portrayed as an attack with a radius.
In this comic, his whisper was written differently, and apparently, BB can control where he directs it.
Originally posted by Sirius77Blastaar has KO'ed Surfer before...
The fact that he was able to be disentigrated by blastaar, and that he is class 40, and hyperion is class 100.
That's horrible reasoning...
I could just as easily say that Ikaris is a class 200, and Hyperion is a class one. And why not? It holds the same merit as your arguing.
Originally posted by Sirius77Strength has nothing to do with durability...
BB is still not above class 60. He still has not been shown to survive a blast with the force of 20 nukes.
Also, Hype is not a class 100, he hasn't survived an attack by Hulk yet... 🙄
Originally posted by Bransolute
Nothing around BB is destroyed... only the direction that the blast went in.In this comic, his whisper was written differently, and apparently, BB can control where he directs it
And he directed it at sentry... I think you just contradicted yourself.
You said that it was below sentry, then you said he can direct it. If it was directed at one point, and sentry took the damage, then it was directed at sentry.
Originally posted by Bransolute
Blastaar has KO'ed Surfer before...
And the blast that he hit ikaris with, appearently was not anywhere near nuclear. Otherwise it would have destroyed the room. It didn't. Hyperion got hit by 20 nukes at a time. He survived. I doubt that bb or ikaris would. Ikaris would regenerate most likely, but bb wouldn't.
Originally posted by Bransolute
That's horrible reasoning...I could just as easily say that Ikaris is a class 200, and Hyperion is a class one. And why not? It holds the same merit as your arguing.
Black Bolts strength class while augmented (as well as ikaris'😉 and hyperion as a class 100:
http://en.marveldatabase.com/Strength_Scale#Superhuman:_50.2B_tons_to_75_ton_range
So I really don't see how you can say that now with the marvel database in front of you.
Originally posted by Bransolute
Strength has nothing to do with durability...
I never said that it did. Also, can bb survive a nuke? Oh and by the way, on bb's official marvel profile, it says " At maximum the force is equal to that caused by the detonation of a nuclear weapon." Here:
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Black_Bolt
Hyperion survived the force of 20 nuclear weapons.
Originally posted by Bransolute
Also, Hype is not a class 100, he hasn't survived an attack by Hulk yet... 🙄
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Black_Bolt
Also, bb didn't do so good against hulk either. Neither did hercules.
Originally posted by Sirius77He didn't direct it at Sentry though... he directed it at the Avengers... and pwned those n00bs.😐
And he directed it at sentry... I think you just contradicted yourself.You said that it was below sentry, then you said he can direct it. If it was directed at one point, and sentry took the damage, then it was directed at sentry.
Sentry stood above the action doing shit all...
Read the comic.
I said he can direct his voice apparently. It wasn't directed at Sentry, however, the shockwave may have hit him, as I fo shizzle know he didn't get hit by the blast.
Originally posted by Sirius77Didn't Hulk's clothes stay completely in tact after he got destroyed down to the bones?
And the blast that he hit ikaris with, appearently was not anywhere near nuclear. Otherwise it would have destroyed the room. It didn't. Hyperion got hit by 20 nukes at a time. He survived. I doubt that bb or ikaris would. Ikaris would regenerate most likely, but bb wouldn't.
Also, can you show me this disintegration please?
Oh you doubt it?!?!? Damnit... I thought I may have something here, but not if you doubt it!! 🙁
Originally posted by Sirius77
Black Bolts strength class while augmented (as well as ikaris'😉 and hyperion as a class 100:
http://en.marveldatabase.com/Strength_Scale#Superhuman:_50.2B_tons_to_75_ton_rangeSo I really don't see how you can say that now with the marvel database in front of you.
Wolverine's got a 4 in energy projection. 🙂 And a 7 in strength, and durability.
And that's the 'Official ratings', which means Marvel actually made the bio. So, it should hold some merit...
Originally posted by Sirius77Last I checked, a nuke won't KO Hulk... and bare with me, that BB whispered when he KO'ed Hulk.
I never said that it did. Also, can bb survive a nuke? Oh and by the way, on bb's official marvel profile, it says " At maximum the force is equal to that caused by the detonation of a nuclear weapon." Here:http://www.marvel.com/universe/Black_Bolt
Hyperion survived the force of 20 nuclear weapons.
Your use of bios is funny to me, and proves nothing... nothing at all.
That bio also contradicts your previous bio...
Originally posted by Sirius77You likely don't know who I'm talking about, or you'd realize the futility in comparing him to Galactus.
Well, galactus himself feels punches from class 100s, and occasionally flinches. People don't really make much of a deal out of that... so no offense, but why are you?
Originally posted by Sirius77Showing what? Everytime he speaks, the emphasis on the fact that it's only a whisper?
Scans?
Originally posted by Sirius77BB's shields more than likely could. 🙂
And hyperion crashed himself into the earth and basically the same thing happened. Hyperion acted as if nothing happened. Could bb slam into the planet at that speed and live? Can bb have hyperion slam into him at that speed and survive?
Not to mention, Hyperion couldn't anyways, once he's been turned to stone.
Originally posted by Sirius77Is he faster than BB's thought?
Hyperion is alot faster than bb.
Originally posted by Sirius77BB can summon shields at a seconds notice.
Ignoring the fact that hyperion can use his atomic vision at a seconds notice.
See, I can do it too.
Originally posted by Sirius77Again, about you missing the point...
I never said that wwh was a character in this fight.
Originally posted by Sirius77You're trying to use Marvel Database as a proper source and berating ME for mentioning the narrator? haermm
Still hasn't shown it on panel. Thus it cannot be used as a feat.
Originally posted by Sirius77When has it EVER stated that it was a scream...? Seriously, with Sentry, not only was Sentry far above, but Blackagar barely opened his mouth.
BB did scream at sentry. Didn't you read the comic? All it did was move the skin on sentrys face. Same thing for wwh.
Originally posted by Sirius77Proof? Because, I can give you scan after scan with emphasis on the fact that BB's feats are only caused by whispers. Why do you think he speaks barely audibly when he's absolutely forced to?
The intensity of his voice has nothing to do with the intensity of the scream. Any sound that he makes, the electrons are still manipulated, and thus the explosion is still activated.
Because, any louder, and there would be nothing left of the ground beneath them, and, unless the narrator's a liar, the planet too. 🙂
Originally posted by Sirius77BB managed to punch Hulk around.
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Black_BoltAlso, bb didn't do so good against hulk either. Neither did hercules.