hyperion vs black bolt

Originally posted by lando005
i dont think so i think raw power wise hype has him outclassed bb is on par enough to keep up with hype but not for a prolonged fight

Black Bolt can just turn him into cheese as soon as the battle starts.

i just thought of this but couldnt hype fly out of range of the blast?

Not really a blast, and his shields have held an enraged Hulk before, so he could just trap Hyp.

Originally posted by SpookySmurph
Not really a blast, and his shields have held an enraged Hulk before, so he could just trap Hyp.

Hyperion is a pussy, he had a hard enough time with Ultimate Wolverine. 😎

Originally posted by UniOmni
[QUOTE=9744300]Originally posted by Sirius77
[B]So you doubt that bb is class 60?😕
Do you think hes above that?

Also, its been shown on panel that hyperion has taken a
blast with the power of multiple nukes before. BBs scream
can't really be any more intense than that. I've never seen
it do more damage than a few nukes. Have you? [/QUOTE

[QUOTE=9744314]Originally posted by UniOmni
It caused planetwide damage.

And Hyperion hasn't?

Originally posted by UniOmni
Broke of a piece of the moon, and it was only a whisper.

And hype caused the entire earth to quake with the intensity of a 10 on the ricter scale and walked off like it was nothing.

Originally posted by UniOmni
It's stopped cosmic beings, and the scream has never been seen.

Alot of things have stopped cosmic beings. Reed has. Also, if the "scream" has never been seen on panel then why do you think that he would use it in the fight? More interestingly, why are you bringing a theoretical feat into the debate?

Originally posted by UniOmni
The only time it was alluded to being used, was against Celestials in the Earth X saga.

Which was an entirely different universe. One where Dr Doom was an angel, and thor was a woman...

Originally posted by UniOmni
Hyperion is stronger than BB, but it takes nothing to amp and go toe to toe with him regardless of base.

I can't see him going toe to toewith hyperion. Thats ridiculous... the only advantage that he has is his voice. And even that has only been shown with the intensity of a couple nukes. Hyperion has survived a blast with the force of about 10 or 20 (check the respect thread).

Originally posted by UniOmni
He's fought Gladiator, Hulk and numerous others.

The gladiator fight was complete pis. He jobbed ridiculously.

And as far as hulk goes, it depends upon which version. But realistically ikaris has beaten the hulk. Hell, I think even spiderman has a few good showings witrh him.

Originally posted by UniOmni
He's not Mr.Miracle in comparison to Superman.

To be honest, I don't care for either character. But hyperion is obviously superior in this case. And due to bbs character, he generally hesitates before he uses his voice. So, thats really all that it will take for hyperion to take advantage.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Alot of things have stopped cosmic beings. Reed has. Also, if the "scream" has never been seen on panel then why do you think that he would use it in the fight? More interestingly, why are you bringing a theoretical feat into the debate?

BB would use his scream, because there is nothing stopping him. No innocents. No family.
Actually, he would use his whisper first, and if that didn't work (by some miracle), then he'd scream his ass off.

Anyway, he's shown enough power without his voice to hang with Hype (yes, I'm going to continue calling him 'Hype', because that's pretty much what he is on these boards. Good feats here and there, but nothing major, or nothing cosmic.), and most likely enough to take him down.

Originally posted by Sirius77
The gladiator fight was complete pis. He jobbed ridiculously.

And as far as hulk goes, it depends upon which version. But realistically ikaris has beaten the hulk. Hell, I think even spiderman has a few good showings witrh him.

Ikaris has beaten Hulk you say? Didn't you just say Ikaris was like a class 40-60? 😐

Spider-Man uses his agility, and speed to avoid all the attacks of Hulk, and deliver little damage at a time. BB doesn't.
Of course Spidey's going to do good against him, if Hulk can't hit him.

Plus, Spider-Man put him down with a cement truck. 😐
Very hypocritical for you to bring up Glads jobbing, and a paragraph below, you say Spider-Man has good showings with the Hulk.

Originally posted by Bransolute
I never said that. 🙂
Plus, even if he is only a class 2, the raw power in his fists make up for it, so it's hardly relevant. If you can hit as hard, or outmuscle class 100's, then the amount you can lift is irrelevant unless you're having a lifting contest.

So... one feat then? One feat of durability according to you, makes him impossible to take down? F*cking Thing damaged him with a punch.
Thing's fist>>>>>>>>20 nukes?

Also, since I'm going to be a dick. 🙂
Where was it referenced that it was 20 nukes? All I saw was it saying it would take ten nukes to have a chance at killing him, and twenty would be better. Can you point me to where it showed how powerful the nukes actually were?
Because it looks like humans were just speculating to me...
Does this look like 20 nukes? Also, Hype was f*cked up after this...

I never said that it was impossible to take him down. Tell me where I stated that.

Also, it says right here that it was a ring of 10-20 nukes:

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Feats/Endurance/Nuke/1.jpg

Also, they were not speculating. If they were speculating, then why were they giving exact measurements of how to cut him as a child? Case and point, he survived the ten to twenty nukes, whether or not it killed him is moot. Also, you never answered my question. Can Black Bolt survive 10-20 nukes? Can he even survive one?

And can I point out where it says how powerful the nukes were?
Can you point out how powerful a black hole is? Its a nuke. Just
like any destructive plot device that is used to gauge the durability
of a character and make him/her look impressive, it is assumed to be powerful. Just like any other nuke. In the page before it, the scientist stated that it was a nuke without the lasting radioactive effects. So if
it was stated that they were going to use several of them (stated as at least 10), then the conclusion would be that the blast itsself was as strong as AT LEAST ten nuclear weapons combined. Which is only half of the stated maximum if you would like to get specific.

Originally posted by Bransolute
Reed's stopped them with tech. BB has to do it with his own power.
Hype doesn't have the sort of power to stop cosmic beings.

I agree that hype doesn't have the power to stop cosmic beings. But I have just lost the little respect for you that I had if you are trying to actually say that Black Bolt can compete with cosmics. Black Bolts voice would do as little to galactus as almost any other heroes power on earth.
To say otherwise would be ridiculous. To a cosmic being the most powerful hit that hype can muster against a full scream from Black Bolt would be comparable to a wasp sting vs a bee sting. It doesn't matter. It won't stop them regardless. Its the same reason why we stay away from stinging insects. Because we don't like being stung. Will it kill us? No, though bees do die when they loose their stingers...

Originally posted by Bransolute
BB would use his scream, because there is nothing stopping him. No innocents. No family.
Actually, he would use his whisper first, and if that didn't work (by some miracle), then he'd scream his ass off.

So he didn't use his whisper on Hulk or Gladiator, but he'll use it on hype? Please explain.

Originally posted by Bransolute
Anyway, he's shown enough power without his voice to hang with Hype (yes, I'm going to continue calling him 'Hype', because that's pretty much what he is on these boards. Good feats here and there, but nothing major, or nothing cosmic.), and most likely enough to take him down.

Why because two top-tiers jobbed to him? Well then in that case, by your logic Batman should be able to hang with hype because he beat superman and batkicked specter...

Originally posted by Bransolute
Or maybe you're completely underrating BB?
BB's also gone toe to toe with Thor as well, and toe to toe with Hulk. They must have jobbed as well.

And Batman also batkicked Captain Marvel out cold in Batman/Superman... That's three examples on three examples. Batman must be class 100 🙄

Originally posted by Bransolute
Ikaris has beaten Hulk you say? Didn't you just say Ikaris was like a class 40-60? 😐

Yes I did.

Originally posted by Bransolute
Spider-Man uses his agility, and speed to avoid all the attacks of Hulk, and deliver little damage at a time. BB doesn't.
Of course Spidey's going to do good against him, if Hulk can't hit him.

So Hulk can hit Thor, but he can't hit spiderman.

Originally posted by Bransolute
Plus, Spider-Man put him down with a cement truck. 😐
Very hypocritical for you to bring up Glads jobbing, and a paragraph below, you say Spider-Man has good showings with the Hulk.

And it's funny how you bring up planet pushers, cosmic beings, and thunder gods and compare them to Black Bolt and then call me a hypocrite... 🙂

Originally posted by Sirius77
I never said that it was impossible to take him down. Tell me where I stated that.

Which is a crock of shit. 🙂

Originally posted by Sirius77
Also, it says right here that it was a ring of 10-20 nukes:

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Feats/Endurance/Nuke/1.jpg

Also, they were not speculating. If they were speculating, then why were they giving exact measurements of how to cut him as a child? Case and point, he survived the ten to twenty nukes, whether or not it killed him is moot. Also, you never answered my question. Can Black Bolt survive 10-20 nukes? Can he even survive one?

Black Bolt has never tried to withstand nukes, so I can't say. And he doesn't need to to prove he's durable.
And, unless Hype can fire off the damage of 20 nukes, then that also happens to be completely irrelevant. 🙂

Originally posted by Sirius77
And can I point out where it says how powerful the nukes were?
Can you point out how powerful a black hole is? Its a nuke. Just
like any destructive plot device that is used to gauge the durability
of a character and make him/her look impressive, it is assumed to be powerful. Just like any other nuke. In the page before it, the scientist stated that it was a nuke without the lasting radioactive effects. So if
it was stated that they were going to use several of them (stated as at least 10), then the conclusion would be that the blast itsself was as strong as AT LEAST ten nuclear weapons combined. Which is only half of the stated maximum if you would like to get specific.

Also, that blast fudged Hype up, and BB's syllables have seemingly done more damage... Hmmm...

Originally posted by Sirius77
I agree that hype doesn't have the power to stop cosmic beings. But I have just lost the little respect for you that I had if you are trying to actually say that Black Bolt can compete with cosmics. Black Bolts voice would do as little to galactus as almost any other heroes power on earth.
To say otherwise would be ridiculous. To a cosmic being the most powerful hit that hype can muster against a full scream from Black Bolt would be comparable to a wasp sting vs a bee sting. It doesn't matter. It won't stop them regardless. Its the same reason why we stay away from stinging insects. Because we don't like being stung. Will it kill us? No, though bees do die when they loose their stingers...

Plus, Uni first brought up Vortex I believe, so what you said doesn't matter anyway.

Originally posted by Sirius77
So he didn't use his whisper on Hulk or Gladiator, but he'll use it on hype? Please explain.

And when he did it against both, people were in the premise. If no people are around, then BB has no reason to hold back. Thus, there's no reason to say he won't use it.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Why because two top-tiers jobbed to him? Well then in that case, by your logic Batman should be able to hang with hype because he beat superman and batkicked specter...

BB's ALWAYS done good against top tiers. From Warlock, to Hulk. Are all his feats people jobbing to him, based on what you say?

So... BB doesn't have feats, because you don't like what he's done?

Originally posted by Sirius77
And Batman also batkicked Captain Marvel out cold in Batman/Superman... That's three examples on three examples. Batman must be class 100 🙄

Also, BB doesn't exactly have feats to disregard what he's done. Batman does... badly.

It's a horrible comparison, and Batman has thousands of appearances, and you can only name three? Wow... that's AWESOME!
BB has, I believe, less than a hundred.
And about 50 or so (maybe) when he does something... almost all are good, or positive feats.

Batman's range from having trouble with Bane, to fighting street levelers.
And of course, the one time deals with Spectre, and CM. And when he was upgraded, and stood a chance against Supes.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Yes I did.

Originally posted by Sirius77
So Hulk can hit Thor, but he can't hit spiderman.

Spider-Man knows he can't match power with Hulk, so he has to dodge everything thrown at him.

Thor doesn't try to dodge as much. Spider-Man has to. Work it out.

Originally posted by Sirius77
And it's funny how you bring up planet pushers, cosmic beings, and thunder gods and compare them to Black Bolt and then call me a hypocrite... 🙂

BB has nothing to say he couldn't fight these beings, and ignoring them, is ignoring what BB can do. And quite frankly... on panel, these beings have nothing to say that they would stomp BB either (unless we follow what you say, and then, BB would get taken out by like BP, and common thugs, as he'd have no feats).

Originally posted by Bransolute
You're basically stating that it's impossible for BB to take him down, since you think BB's scream is equivalent to one nuke, and Hype "took 20 easily".

Which is a crock of shit. 🙂

Show me where I said easily. I said that he withstood 10-20 nukes. Which he did. Has Black Bolt? I understand that you like Back Bolt and dislike hype, but I don't like either, and it's still obvious that hype has the upper hand.

Originally posted by Bransolute
It says it would take 10-20 to kill him. It never specified how many the guy actually used. Either way, I don't care.
Hell, it was only an implication of how many nukes he used if you want to get technical...

It stated 10-20 nukes would kill him. They didn't. It's sad that you have to downplay the feats to this level to prove to yourself that your right.

And if you want to get technical, all of the implications of how strong Black Bolts screams are just that. Implications. Pretty much everything in a comic book is.

Originally posted by Bransolute
Black Bolt has never tried to withstand nukes, so I can't say. And he doesn't need to to prove he's durable.

Hyperion has never tried to withstand Black Bolts voice, so I can't say. And he doesn't need to to prove he's durable.

Originally posted by Bransolute
And, unless Hype can fire off the damage of 20 nukes, then that also happens to be completely irrelevant. 🙂

Just ask yourself what it would feel like to be speedblitzed by someone capable of walking away from 10-20 nukes...

Originally posted by Bransolute
So it's between 10, and 20 according to you... well, that's quite a range isn't it?
So, it's either 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, or 20 nukes that happened to almost take down Hype.
If it's only 10, then it's not as good as let on, and if it's 20, then it's a pretty good durability feat. However, it's impossible to prove that it was actually 20 (unless it was stated somewhere else I don't know about).

Precisely. Either way we know that it was at least ten. Twenty being the more than likely conclusion.

Originally posted by Bransolute
Also, that blast fudged Hype up, and BB's syllables have seemingly done more damage... Hmmm...

More damage than 10-20 nukes? When has he ever shown the power of then to twenty nukes? Also, hype was still able to use flash vision.

Also, wwh fudged Black Bolt up pretty badly, I wonder what would happen if he got speedblitzed by someone durable enough to withstand 10-20 nukes.... hmmm...

Originally posted by Sirius77
Show me where I said easily. I said that he withstood 10-20 nukes. Which he did. Has Black Bolt? I understand that you like Back Bolt and dislike hype, but I don't like either, and it's still obvious that hype has the upper hand.

So, I'm bias? OK then. 🙂

What's obvious to you, is not obvious to others. So, what you're going to have to do, is show how obvious it is that BB loses to me, since I can't see it. 🙂
And quite frankly, you've proved nothing, except that Hype has an OK durability.

Originally posted by Sirius77
It stated 10-20 nukes would kill him. They didn't. It's sad that you have to downplay the feats to this level to prove to yourself that your right.

And if you want to get technical, all of the implications of how strong Black Bolts screams are just that. Implications. Pretty much everything in a comic book is.

I'm not downplaying it, just pointing out that they never said how many nukes they actually used. They didn't even say they used more than one... but they implied they did (when Hype was a baby).
The implications are to have us believe they used 10-20 though. 🙂

And before you get all hissy, yes, I do believe he took 10-20, but I'm just saying what happened in the comic...

And... notice how I haven't used one implication of BB's voice... I just used feats that happened. 🙂

Originally posted by Sirius77
Hyperion has never tried to withstand Black Bolts voice, so I can't say. And he doesn't need to to prove he's durable.

This is where the part that you completely ignored earlier comes into play.

BB KO'ed Glads with his voice. Glads is an obvious superior to Hype in durability.
BB KO'ed Hulk with his voice (twice). Hulk has better durability feats than Hype.
BB took out Watcher Doom with his voice. Doom has awesome durability feats on his own... add in Watcher's powers...
BB took out the New Avengers with a whisper (including WM, Iron Man, etc).

Also, BB doesn't need to prove he's durable enough to take nukes, since Hype doesn't use nukes as his main arsenal.

Hype, unfortunately does need to be able to survive a scream/whisper from BB.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Just ask yourself what it would feel like to be speedblitzed by someone capable of walking away from 10-20 nukes...

Originally posted by Sirius77
Precisely. Either way we know that it was at least ten. Twenty being the more than likely conclusion.

Originally posted by Sirius77
More damage than 10-20 nukes? When has he ever shown the power of then to twenty nukes? Also, hype was still able to use flash vision.

Also, wwh fudged Black Bolt up pretty badly, I wonder what would happen if he got speedblitzed by someone durable enough to withstand 10-20 nukes.... hmmm...

Nevermind the unbelievable pis... but WWH is so much stronger than Supreme Hype, it's dumb to bring up the two in the same thread.

BB reacted to Ikaris trying to blitz him...

Originally posted by Bransolute
Not all cosmics are Galactus. 🙂

I know that, and I never stated that either. You and I both know that
you were referring to the galaxy collector.

Originally posted by Bransolute
Cosmics also include heralds, and what not. And quite frankly, Hype would get raped by almost any herald as well ('cept maybe Terrax), but on the other hand, BB could do well against them.

So now you're saying that Black Bolt would stalemate surfer. Still bad, but not as bad as the galactus claim...

Either way, against any herald except for Terrax, they would both get evaporated.

Originally posted by Bransolute
He's knocked both Hulk and Glads out with a whisper... 😐 .

So you still don't believe that that was jobbing and pis? Hulk is fairly unintellegent and slow (or at least the version that Black Bolt was fighting), its not a huge accomplishment to defeat him. But Gladiator... that is jobbing.

Originally posted by Bransolute
And when he did it against both, people were in the premise. If no people are around, then BB has no reason to hold back. Thus, there's no reason to say he won't use it.

Show me that there was no one around (if you feel like it... I really don't don't like either character...)

Originally posted by Bransolute
Why did they job to him? What possible explanation do you have that they jobbed to him? Because you underrate him? Good logic.

Because Gladiator pushes planets, and pwns past pheonixes and omega level mutants. Thor has fought the Destroyer, Mangog, and (for a time, though it did little) Galactus. Black Bolthas not shown any durability to hang with such top-tiers. He hasn't flown through the hearts of stars. He hasn't fished the world serpent from space, and he just isn't in any way on the physical level of the characters that you have named. He isn't even as versitile as the majority of them. What else would it be other than jobbing?

Originally posted by Bransolute
BB's [b]ALWAYS done good against top tiers. From Warlock, to Hulk. Are all his feats people jobbing to him, based on what you say?.[/B]

So he beat Adam Warlock?

Originally posted by Bransolute
So... BB doesn't have feats, because you don't like what he's done?

Wow, you're really putting words in my mouth. I don't mean to beg the question again, but has he survived 10-20 nukes?

Originally posted by Bransolute
Also, BB doesn't exactly have feats to disregard what he's done. Batman does... badly.

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know that Black Bolt has pushed planets, busted moons, fought mangog, and fished the world serpent from space... my fault.

Originally posted by Bransolute
It's a horrible comparison, and Batman has thousands of appearances, and you can only name three? Wow... that's AWESOME!
BB has, I believe, less than a hundred.
And about 50 or so (maybe) when he does something... almost all are good, or positive feats.

Thats kind of sad that you don't realize that four of the instances that you've named are pis or jobbing. Possibly both.

I don't doubt that Black Bolt is powerful, but I just don't see him winning a fight against hype.

Originally posted by Bransolute
Batman's range from having trouble with Bane, to fighting street levelers.
And of course, the one time deals with Spectre, and CM. And when he was upgraded, and stood a chance against Supes.

So, Black Bolt can have trouble with the Fantastic Four, a group of mutants with terrigen mists, ironman, or some of the othr avengers, but then you give threepis filled moments and ask me why I bring up Batman?

Originally posted by Bransolute
Irrelevant, but I'll bite.
Thor tries to go man to man against Hulk. Fist to fist. Hammer to fist.

Spider-Man knows he can't match power with Hulk, so he has to dodge everything thrown at him.

Thor doesn't try to dodge as much. Spider-Man has to. Work it out.

I still don't see how that puts Black Bolt on par with Thor.

Originally posted by Bransolute
Problem here is. Hulk [b]WAS jobbing to Spider-Man. Hulk does not get taken out by a cement truck... ever... except once... to Spider-Man.

BB has nothing to say he couldn't fight these beings, and ignoring them, is ignoring what BB can do. And quite frankly... on panel, these beings have nothing to say that they would stomp BB either (unless we follow what you say, and then, BB would get taken out by like BP, and common thugs, as he'd have no feats). [/B]

How many times has Black Bolt faced Thor and Gladiator?

Originally posted by Sirius77
I know that, and I never stated that either. You and I both know that
you were referring to the galaxy collector.

Originally posted by Sirius77
So now you're saying that Black Bolt would stalemate surfer. Still bad, but not as bad as the galactus claim...

Either way, against any herald except for Terrax, they would both get evaporated.

BB has shown his whisper can affect Surfer... Hype has nothing that could affect Surfer... BB would do better, but eventually lose. Hype wouldn't even get out of the starting gate.

Unless Surfer was bloodlusted... then he'd easily defeat both of them...

Originally posted by Sirius77
So you still don't believe that that was jobbing and pis? Hulk is fairly unintellegent and slow (or at least the version that Black Bolt was fighting), its not a huge accomplishment to defeat him. But Gladiator... that is jobbing.

No, Glads getting punked by Gambit is jobbing. Him getting KO'ed by another top tier level guy is an average.

Hulk, Thor, Masterson Thor, etc...

Originally posted by Sirius77
Show me that there was no one around (if you feel like it... I really don't don't like either character...)

Originally posted by Sirius77
Because Gladiator pushes planets, and pwns past pheonixes and omega level mutants. Thor has fought the Destroyer, Mangog, and (for a time, though it did little) Galactus. Black Bolthas not shown any durability to hang with such top-tiers. He hasn't flown through the hearts of stars. He hasn't fished the world serpent from space, and he just isn't in any way on the physical level of the characters that you have named. He isn't even as versitile as the majority of them. What else would it be other than jobbing?

The second part's bullshit and you know it.
Zod hasn't done 1/100 of what Superman has done, and we know Zod is a match for Supes. However, following your logic, Zod is nothing to Superman. 🙂

Also, not saying BB could do it, but he's never been put up to the task of doing anything you mentioned.

Originally posted by Sirius77
So he beat Adam Warlock?

Warlock didn't beat him either though...

Originally posted by Sirius77
Wow, you're really putting words in my mouth. I don't mean to beg the question again, but has he survived 10-20 nukes?

Originally posted by Sirius77
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know that Black Bolt has pushed planets, busted moons, fought mangog, and fished the world serpent from space... my fault.

Just like we know BB can fight with top tiers.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Thats kind of sad that you don't realize that four of the instances that you've named are pis or jobbing. Possibly both.

I don't doubt that Black Bolt is powerful, but I just don't see him winning a fight against hype.

Actually, you do doubt that BB is powerful, as you've done repeatedly all throughout this thread.
Another thing. BB shattered a barrier that Thor couldn't even scratch. 🙂

Originally posted by Sirius77
So, Black Bolt can have trouble with the Fantastic Four, a group of mutants with terrigen mists, ironman, or some of the othr avengers, but then you give threepis filled moments and ask me why I bring up Batman?

Second. BB has taken out the Four, and the Four have given almost everyone troubles all throughout their career (Galactus, Exitar, and Surfer included). I remember him getting beat once, at a weakened condition. And, BB doesn't really use his powers against the Four either. Not to mention, they are also a powerful group.

You mean the Kree who was extremely powerful?

When has he had trouble with Ironman?

Problem is, the feats I brought up are pretty close, and are average. Very consistent if I say so myself.

The feats you brought up, were him taking out CM in one hit, to batkicking Spectre, to him being upgraded giving Supes a hard time.
Extremely inconsistent. Considering BM's average is fighting street levels.

BB's average is fighting top tiers (and his voice rises above that).

Originally posted by Sirius77
I still don't see how that puts Black Bolt on par with Thor.

Originally posted by Sirius77
How many times has Black Bolt faced Thor and Gladiator?

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On another note. This conversation has become extremely pointless.
All you've done is bring up 20 NUEKSQ!!!, and attempted to downplay BB the entire time.
You've brought up nothing really to even support Hype could punch through a Styrofoam wall. You've brought up nothing except say everyone has jobbed to BB.

I'm going to bed right now, and I might answer your posts when I wake up.

Originally posted by Bransolute
It doesn't matter if you said easily or not, and I care not to look back for one detail.
You still think BB can't affect him following what has been said.

So, I'm bias? OK then. 🙂

What's obvious to you, is not obvious to others. So, what you're going to have to do, is show how obvious it is that BB loses to me, since I can't see it. 🙂
And quite frankly, you've proved nothing, except that Hype has an OK durability.

And all you've proved is that Black Bolt has okay offensive capabilities. 🙂

Originally posted by Bransolute
It stated. And since it didn't kill him, my point about humans speculating still stands... but that's neither here nor there.

Well, its been stated that once one is stabbed in the heart, he dies. Wolverine has been stabbed in the heart numerous times. Does that mean that the knife wasn't a strong enough knife?

The point was that he was tougher than they expected.

Originally posted by Bransolute
I'm not downplaying it, just pointing out that they never said how many nukes they actually used. They didn't even say they used more than one... but they implied they did (when Hype was a baby).
The implications are to have us believe they used 10-20 though. 🙂

And before you get all hissy, yes, I do believe he took 10-20, but I'm just saying what happened in the comic...

No, it's cool.

Originally posted by Bransolute
And... notice how I haven't used one implication of BB's voice... I just used feats that happened. 🙂

And I can say the same about myself. I only used what was in the comic. They stated 10-20, and I said 10-20 🙂

Originally posted by Bransolute
See, there's where your logic fails.

This is where the part that you completely ignored earlier comes into play.

BB KO'ed Glads with his voice. Glads is an obvious superior to Hype in durability
BB KO'ed Hulk with his voice (twice). Hulk has better durability feats than Hype.
BB took out Watcher Doom with his voice. Doom has awesome durability feats on his own... add in Watcher's powers...
BB took out the New Avengers with a whisper (including WM, Iron Man, etc).

Also, BB doesn't need to prove he's durable enough to take nukes, since Hype doesn't use nukes as his main arsenal.

And Batman koed Captain Marvel, batkicked Specter, beat Superman, and fought Darkseid. Thats four feats to match yours. These are even higher than the ones that you named. So does that mean that batman is above Black Bolt? No. Because it's called jobbing.

What I'm trying to say is that you can't base durability off of characters alone. If you can show me Black Bolt withstanding something that isn't another characster jobbing to him, then I'll agree.

Originally posted by Bransolute
Hype, unfortunately does need to be able to survive a scream/whisper from BB.

Only if you can prove that it's greater than 20 nukes.

Originally posted by Bransolute
Well... he dislodged a mountain by a syllable (which looked bigger than the blast Hype took).

And you think that hype couldn't do the same with his flash vision or fists?

Originally posted by Bransolute
He affected the other side of a planet with a whisper (which would be more than the blast that Hype took, did).

And hype affected the entire world by flying into it.

Originally posted by Bransolute
He took out Glads. Which would be more than 20 nukes that should even affect him. And it helps that Glads was fighting Quaser in the same issue... meaning he wasn't being a 'jobber'.

If it was more powerful than 20 nukes, then where was the destruction?

And Captain marvel was fighting superman before he got clocked by bats. Does that mean that he wasn't being a "jobber"?

Originally posted by Bransolute
I'm not sure how much Hulk can take in nukes, but I bet it's a lot. And BB has KO'ed him four times (twice by whisper; twice by other means).

Which is speculation, because I saw Maestro get disentigrated by a nuclear explosion.

Originally posted by Bransolute
Took out Watcher-Doom.

He had tech.

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Dazed Surfer.

So has lightning.

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Created a rip in reality.
Etc.

Well he does control electrons... quantum mechanics anyone?

Originally posted by Bransolute
Nevermind the unbelievable pis... but WWH is so much stronger than Supreme Hype, it's dumb to bring up the two in the same thread.

Also, never mind the fact that he's an intellegent warlike tactician that is permanently pissed with years of combat training. He's many multiples stronger and more durable than Black Bolt. It's not pis.

maybe you two should take this to the battlezone

noting something about the nuke feat. Those estimates (which is all they are just estimates) were made when hype was a baby so they may have been right at the time. The part where they made a mistake was taking into account that his durability would increase as he got older (it's a lot easier to hurt a baby than a full grown adult) and that's why he was able to survive the blast. Maybe a force of about 30 nukes would have been enough to kill him taking his age into account.

also, bb fighting the likes of thor and other top tier earthers is not jobbing becaus bb himself is on bar with thoes characters, and is regarded by all to be in the same leauge as them. BB ranks up in earth's elite level of supers and is reguarly shown with feats that justify him being in that position, not to mention everyone on earth knows just how powerful he is as well

Is it to late to say this thread has been done before, and has way more post?

Originally posted by Faceman
Is it to late to say this thread has been done before, and has way more post?