What's the anime of FF where Zack uses his sword to act as a shield to block an injured Cloud from Shinra, and then single handedly takes them out. Zack should win, but Tifa can turn this around. I still think Zackary wins.
That was 1st class, super experienced, second best SOLDIER in the world Zack. We're talking 2nd class rookie Zack fighting her. He is stronger physically, but she has more technique than him so its a fair match. Zack in LO would wipe the floor with Tifa.
Originally posted by Sado-samaI feel the need to elaborate if you don't mind.
What he said.
Lets take the anakin vs dooku duel for example, dooku had far more experience than anakin but his experience was stated to be irrelevant due to the sheer skill of anakins swordplay abilities.
The same can be said for zack and tifa. Tifa may have more experience but zack has demonstrated far greater skill by showing the capability to smack and block bullets with his sword. This alone depicts amazing speed for such a simple feat to be accomplished
Originally posted by GahLakTusYou'd have a point if Zack was allowed his sword in this fight, but he isn't. It's a H2H battle.
I feel the need to elaborate if you don't mind.Lets take the anakin vs dooku duel for example, dooku had far more experience than anakin but his experience was stated to be irrelevant due to the sheer skill of anakins swordplay abilities.
The same can be said for zack and tifa. Tifa may have more experience but zack has demonstrated far greater skill by showing the capability to smack and block bullets with his sword. This alone depicts amazing speed for such a simple feat to be accomplished
Originally posted by Violent2DopeWell for an elite soldier wouldn't it be a must to learn h2h techniques? Thats like saying "take the weapons away from any soldier from any nation and they cant fight" when the korean soldiers learned taek won do while the thai soliders learned muay thai.
You'd have a point if Zack was allowed his sword in this fight, but he isn't. It's a H2H battle.
Originally posted by GahLakTusYes, and that's all well and good, but you can't award someone a win (usually) because you think it makes sense for him to possess skill in H2H...
Well for an elite soldier wouldn't it be a must to learn h2h techniques? Thats like saying "take the weapons away from any soldier from any nation and they cant fight" when the korean soldiers learned taek won do while the thai soliders learned muay thai.
Supposition vs. actual proven H2H ability?
And, for the record, experience builds skill... and Tifa, in this case, has all the experience.
Originally posted by SwindlingSmurphIts called using logic and common sense which it occurs to me you lack both.
Yes, and that's all well and good, but you can't award someone a win (usually) because you think it makes sense for him to possess skill in H2H...
Originally posted by SwindlingSmurphAnd again, look at the duel between dooku and anakin. Dooku has over 70 years of fighting experience but got wtf pwned by anakin whom only had like what? 11 years experience? Yoda, whom had 800 years experience couldn't defeat somebody whom had only 60 years experience in this case, emperor palpatine.
And, for the record, experience builds skill... and Tifa, in this case, has all the experience.
So why did they(yoda and dooku) whom had so much experience lost to a duo who had less experience?
Simply because skill > experience.
I can be a skinny ass *** who has been fighting in the ring for the last 20 years but would i be any good against somebody physically stronger, faster and posess greater skill and less experience than me?
If you have common sense then the answer is no
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Cuz she, you know, can hit harder H2H, is faster at striking H2H, and has 10 times as much experience H2H?
Watching Zack's performance in Last Order makes me think he is about even with Tifa in terms of speed and striking power. However Tifa does have the experience advantage because H2H is her expertise while Zack is pretty much being handicapped to give the fair lady a chance.
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Oh...so we're using a Zack that basically has no feats vs Tifa who is jam packed with feats in AC? Fair. duriroll
An even fight would be Last Order Zack(1st Class and hella experienced) vs AC Tifa.
Originally posted by GahLakTusLulz.
Its called using logic and common sense which it occurs to me you lack both.
So, going with someone completely devoid of feats because it makes sense to you they should be able to fight, against a person with H2H feats up the wall, is common sense?
I lol'd.
Originally posted by GahLakTusThats an extreme case.
And again, look at the duel between dooku and anakin. Dooku has over 70 years of fighting experience but got wtf pwned by anakin whom only had like what? 11 years experience? Yoda, whom had 800 years experience couldn't defeat somebody whom had only 60 years experience in this case, emperor palpatine.So why did they(yoda and dooku) whom had so much experience lost to a duo who had less experience?
Simply because skill > experience.
In both of those cases, the antagonistic opponent possessed near prodigious force/combat skill.
Whereas, Zack has no feats, so this whole comparison is irrelevant, because Tifa possesses all the skill AND experience.
Originally posted by GahLakTusTake away Spider-Man's fighting skill, and Captain America or Daredevil could take him down.
I can be a skinny ass *** who has been fighting in the ring for the last 20 years but would i be any good against somebody [b] physically stronger, faster and posess greater skill and less experience than me?If you have common sense then the answer is no [/B]
And again, you highlight the element of skill there when there's no evidence Zack possesses any, much less > Tifa's skill.
Originally posted by SwindlingSmurphIts called using logic friend. You make it sound as if zack cannot fight at all if you remove his sword despite the fact that in the real world soldiers are taught at the very least hand to hand combat techniques, to a point where they teach you how to kill your opponent swiftly
Lulz.So, going with someone completely devoid of feats because it makes sense to you they should be able to fight, against a person with H2H feats up the wall, is common sense?
More importantly you were unable to see the fact i hinted that it takes common sense to know that a soldier has at the least hand to hand techniques and you completely misunderstood that and attempted to twist that.
Originally posted by SwindlingSmurphSorry but the speed zaxk has demonstrated with his sword is still relevant seeing that him carrying the sword would slow him down despite the fact he still could move in blurs. Now take the sword off and see if he moves any faster.
In both of those cases, the antagonistic opponent possessed near prodigious force/combat skill.Whereas, Zack has no feats, so this whole comparison is irrelevant, because Tifa possesses all the skill AND experience.
We also have the fact that zack is physically fit and by the laws of nature physically stronger than a female human being.
Once again you have demonstrated extreme stupidity by using this logic, "Guy A does Feat X, Guy B does not, so it means guy A >>>>>>>>>>>>> B".
I guess the fact that zack could move in blurs and tifa cant it already means he > tifa in hand to hand combat which is very plausible given that he would receive hand to hand training as a soldier and the fact that he is somebody stronger physically, can take more damage, can move in blurs.
Originally posted by SwindlingSmurphBut a case can be made, just because he has never been shown to fight hand to hand doesn't mean he can't, given his status.
And again, you highlight the element of skill there when there's no evidence Zack possesses any, much less > Tifa's skill.
Um..I see this debate started out of ignorance. Have you guys seen Last Order 😬? Zack fends off against multiple soldiers with machine guns with his body alone and without a sword, dodged bullets while seeing them in slow motion and kicked the crap out of them with his limbs. THAT is Zack's H2H skills. 😬
I think he'll rape Tifa (after defeating her with effort...Tifa likes getting raped. 313)