After spending a little time on Herochat I honestly have to say that it's not NEARLY as bad as I thought it was going to be. I mean yeah they have their share of fanboys and bias, but I don't know if I'd say that any of them are any worse than some people we have here on KMC. The biggest difference I've seen between KMC and Herochat is the way Superspeed is handled and that's why so many people consider them bias against DC(because so many DC characters HAVE superspeed). On Herochat what's "in character" for a character to do in a fight is EVERYTHING, while on KMC what's "in character" for someone to do often takes a back burner in favor what's possible given the character's power set. Truth be told... I kinda have to side with them on that one. KMC is SUPPOSED to be based off of what's "in character" as well(it's even included in the rules) and it pisses me off that it get's glazed over so often for some characters. For instance no one here could get away with saying that Surfer creates an shitload of spears made out of K-nite to impale Supes with for an easy 10:10 win ratio because he doesn't DO that kind of thing, but for some reason it's ok to say that Flash wins a 10:10 ratio against the Hulk because he launches a MILLION IMP's at Hulk in the opening second of the match despite the fact that Flash has NEVER done anything remotely similar to it. And as much as we criticize them because our differences in policy regarding PIS I will say this, I've yet to see them waste 4 pages of debating as to whether or not a single showing is valid because every showing is taken into consideration.
Don't get me wrong I still prefer KMC rules to Herochat because I prefer realism our rules allow for, but it does seem that people here are unnecessarily harsh in regards to other forums...
Originally posted by darthgoober
After spending a little time on Herochat I honestly have to say that it's not NEARLY as bad as I thought it was going to be. I mean yeah they have their share of fanboys and bias, but I don't know if I'd say that any of them are any worse than some people we have here on KMC. The biggest difference I've seen between KMC and Herochat is the way Superspeed is handled and that's why so many people consider them bias against DC(because so many DC characters HAVE superspeed). On Herochat what's "in character" for a character to do in a fight is EVERYTHING, while on KMC what's "in character" for someone to do often takes a back burner in favor what's possible given the character's power set. Truth be told... I kinda have to side with them on that one. KMC is SUPPOSED to be based off of what's "in character" as well(it's even included in the rules) and it pisses me off that it get's glazed over so often for some characters. For instance no one here could get away with saying that Surfer creates an shitload of spears made out of K-nite to impale Supes with for an easy 10:10 win ratio because he doesn't DO that kind of thing, but for some reason it's ok to say that Flash wins a 10:10 ratio against the Hulk because he launches a MILLION IMP's at Hulk in the opening second of the match despite the fact that Flash has NEVER done anything remotely similar to it. And as much as we criticize them because our differences in policy regarding PIS I will say this, I've yet to see them waste 4 pages of debating as to whether or not a single showing is valid because every showing is taken into consideration.Don't get me wrong I still prefer KMC rules to Herochat because I prefer realism our rules allow for, but it does seem that people here are unnecessarily harsh in regards to other forums...
Originally posted by darthgoober
After spending a little time on Herochat I honestly have to say that it's not NEARLY as bad as I thought it was going to be. I mean yeah they have their share of fanboys and bias, but I don't know if I'd say that any of them are any worse than some people we have here on KMC. The biggest difference I've seen between KMC and Herochat is the way Superspeed is handled and that's why so many people consider them bias against DC(because so many DC characters HAVE superspeed). On Herochat what's "in character" for a character to do in a fight is EVERYTHING, while on KMC what's "in character" for someone to do often takes a back burner in favor what's possible given the character's power set. Truth be told... I kinda have to side with them on that one. KMC is SUPPOSED to be based off of what's "in character" as well(it's even included in the rules) and it pisses me off that it get's glazed over so often for some characters. For instance no one here could get away with saying that Surfer creates an shitload of spears made out of K-nite to impale Supes with for an easy 10:10 win ratio because he doesn't DO that kind of thing, but for some reason it's ok to say that Flash wins a 10:10 ratio against the Hulk because he launches a MILLION IMP's at Hulk in the opening second of the match despite the fact that Flash has NEVER done anything remotely similar to it. And as much as we criticize them because our differences in policy regarding PIS I will say this, I've yet to see them waste 4 pages of debating as to whether or not a single showing is valid because every showing is taken into consideration.Don't get me wrong I still prefer KMC rules to Herochat because I prefer realism our rules allow for, but it does seem that people here are unnecessarily harsh in regards to other forums...
Looking at it from that way, I can see what you mean; but KMC DOES try to go by what is 'in character' for a 'bloodlusted' character, while herochat goes by the average, period - which often includes dozens of showings where the hero is barely even trying.
For example, the Flash doesn't use the infinite mass punch often, but in a blood lusted scenario, it would be well within 'character' for him to whip it out.
Whereas, while the Surfer COULD create millions of kryptonite shards, even in a bloodlust, he's never done such. He's never considered such, so it'd be out of character.
Originally posted by Soljer
Looking at it from that way, I can see what you mean; but KMC DOES try to go by what is 'in character' for a 'bloodlusted' character, while herochat goes by the average, period - which often includes dozens of showings where the hero is barely even trying.For example, the Flash doesn't use the infinite mass punch often, but in a blood lusted scenario, it would be well within 'character' for him to whip it out.
Whereas, while the Surfer COULD create millions of kryptonite shards, even in a bloodlust, he's never done such. He's never considered such, so it'd be out of character.
Excellent point. But one reason the surfer never needs to really go bloodlust is cuz he is generally just more powerful. When he needs to bloodlust, he acts like an idiot and let's thanos one shot him.
Originally posted by darthgoober
After spending a little time on Herochat I honestly have to say that it's not NEARLY as bad as I thought it was going to be. I mean yeah they have their share of fanboys and bias, but I don't know if I'd say that any of them are any worse than some people we have here on KMC. The biggest difference I've seen between KMC and Herochat is the way Superspeed is handled and that's why so many people consider them bias against DC(because so many DC characters HAVE superspeed). On Herochat what's "in character" for a character to do in a fight is EVERYTHING, while on KMC what's "in character" for someone to do often takes a back burner in favor what's possible given the character's power set. Truth be told... I kinda have to side with them on that one. KMC is SUPPOSED to be based off of what's "in character" as well(it's even included in the rules) and it pisses me off that it get's glazed over so often for some characters. For instance no one here could get away with saying that Surfer creates an shitload of spears made out of K-nite to impale Supes with for an easy 10:10 win ratio because he doesn't DO that kind of thing, but for some reason it's ok to say that Flash wins a 10:10 ratio against the Hulk because he launches a MILLION IMP's at Hulk in the opening second of the match despite the fact that Flash has NEVER done anything remotely similar to it. And as much as we criticize them because our differences in policy regarding PIS I will say this, I've yet to see them waste 4 pages of debating as to whether or not a single showing is valid because every showing is taken into consideration.Don't get me wrong I still prefer KMC rules to Herochat because I prefer realism our rules allow for, but it does seem that people here are unnecessarily harsh in regards to other forums...
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Though they must have some policy regarding the weighting of the value of specific feats otherwise every feat would just be countered with single low or high showing.
Originally posted by Soljer
Looking at it from that way, I can see what you mean; but KMC DOES try to go by what is 'in character' for a 'bloodlusted' character, while herochat goes by the average, period - which often includes dozens of showings where the hero is barely even trying.For example, the Flash doesn't use the infinite mass punch often, but in a blood lusted scenario, it would be well within 'character' for him to whip it out.
Whereas, while the Surfer COULD create millions of kryptonite shards, even in a bloodlust, he's never done such. He's never considered such, so it'd be out of character.
Originally posted by darthgoober
The K-nite spears was just the first example that came to mind. It could easily be replaced with Black Hole creation, planet destroying, tying his opponents genetic makeup to something specific(as he did against Lunatik), BFR into the far future(as he did against Durok), or channeling the energies of the Crunch. Pick any one of them and cling to it and it'd be possible to say that he takes 10/10 against MOST herald level characters, but for some reason the frequency with which Surfer's done those things factors into his win ratio, while Flash is assumed to go ballistic EVERY TIME he's in a match.
No. cuz I never see someone saying Flash is going to use an imp against iceman. usually it's just speed blitz. The only reason flash had to use IMP is cuz of the speed, skill, and tuffness of the opponent in which he was facing.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No. cuz I never see someone saying Flash is going to use an imp against iceman. usually it's just speed blitz. The only reason flash had to use IMP is cuz of the speed, skill, and tuffness of the opponent in which he was facing.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
👆Though they must have some policy regarding the weighting of the value of specific feats otherwise every feat would just be countered with single low or high showing.
I mean most of them aren't blind about it(they'll acknowledge things like if one heroes not really trying), but any REAL fight is taken into consideration.
Originally posted by darthgoober
That's only because an IMP wouldn't work against Iceman... But look at a Flash vs *insert brick's name here* and I can damn near guarantee you'll see the million IMP's argument.
Originally posted by Soljer
Looking at it from that way, I can see what you mean; but KMC DOES try to go by what is 'in character' for a 'bloodlusted' character, while herochat goes by the average, period - which often includes dozens of showings where the hero is barely even trying.For example, the Flash doesn't use the infinite mass punch often, but in a blood lusted scenario, it would be well within 'character' for him to whip it out.
Whereas, while the Surfer COULD create millions of kryptonite shards, even in a bloodlust, he's never done such. He's never considered such, so it'd be out of character.
Technically, since SS is from a different universe..his version of kryptonite wouldn't work anyway. 🙂