Originally posted by darthgoober
Not that it really matters because if we apply the same standards to Surfer that we do to DC characters, he wins 10/10 against Supes by BFRing him to another part of the universe or into the far future. After all, Surfer has defenses against physical attacks, Supes has no way to counter time travel...
HUH? Superman can time travel correct? At least if his PC feats are becoming valid again. And Surfer has no defense against T-Vo so surfer can't win 10/10.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
HUH? Superman can time travel correct? At least if his PC feats are becoming valid again. And Surfer has no defense against T-Vo so surfer can't win 10/10.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
After fighting the Kryptonian battleship, and beating it when it was made of K-nite, I'd say K-nite is not really a solution anymore. And Red sun radiation doesn't get rid of his powers, it just locks them. And IIRC, it's taking more and more to do that.
Superman is an extremely inconsistent character, his showings against Kryptonite (even in 'recent' times) are not excluded.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Actually Surfer DOES have defenses against T-Vo, as shown when he broke free of Reality Warping against Elli(or whatever the Hell her name is). Supes on the other hand CAN'T time travel, his having memories of past things doesn't mean that he's his Pre-Crisis self. There have been several people in DC that remembered and referenced Pre-Crisis encounters, that doesn't make PC feats valid for them.
ORLY? Since when? So DS sealing away the fourth world is invalid? Then how did it happen? And was eli using mental reality warping on a multiversal scale.
Originally posted by KK the Great
Again, a really, really weak interpretation.Kryptonite "from a different universe" doesn't work because it is a wholly different rock emitting a completely different radiation.
If Surfer is producing Kryptonite radiation, he would produce the wavelength from Superman's universe--not Earth-2 or any other universe.
This is weak...especially considering how the multiverse in DC works.
Proof of Surfer doing such a thing to Gladiator..a being from his own universe would be the start to trying to prove what you are trying to debate for.
Then after that...proving that Surfer can recreate a radioactive substance from a different vibrational reality altogether on the fly would be even better. Especially when it's been shown that in his own universe, SS doesn't even have mastery of all forms of energy.
So far Superman 2..and Surfer 0.
Originally posted by Avlon
This is weak...especially considering how the multiverse in DC works.Proof of Surfer doing such a thing to Gladiator..a being from his own universe would be the start to trying to prove what you are trying to debate for.
Then after that...proving that Surfer can recreate a radioactive substance from a different vibrational reality altogether on the fly would be even better.
So far Superman 2..and Surfer 0.
I agree. Even if I don't like you. you fanboy. 😛
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ORLY? Since when? So DS sealing away the fourth world is invalid? Then how did it happen? And was eli using mental reality warping on a multiversal scale.
He's not saying that. He's saying that The PC feats aren't back for Supes yet. And I still think T-VO would **** Surfer up.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
He's not saying that. He's saying that The PC feats aren't back for Supes yet. And I still think T-VO would **** Surfer up.
Meh; the Surfer has resisted mind control, and reality warping on so many occasions, I very much doubt that Torquasm-Vo would work; not to mention the fact that Superman writers themselves have said that they've just 'pretended it didn't happen.'
Originally posted by Soljer
Meh; the Surfer has resisted mind control, and reality warping on so many occasions, I very much doubt that Torquasm-Vo would work; not to mention the fact that Superman writers themselves have said that they've just 'pretended it didn't happen.'
Eradicator has done both reality warping, and has stronger mental powers than Maxima, and even Darkseid. T-vo did just fine.
Originally posted by KK the Great
What's the use? It's already been made abundantly clear that any attempts at speaking logically to you would be about as useful as posting in Japanese.
An attempt at humor, and yet you still have no valid point in relation to the topic.
Yes...logic dictates to try and insult the person you debate against instead of trying to prove your own point as valid.
Good one. 🙂
I made my point.
Put simply...
If Superman is affected by his universe's Kryptonite (which we'll call Kryptonite Alpha), but he isn't affected by another universe's Kryptonite (Kryptonite Beta), then the Silver Surfer has to produce Kryptonite Alpha in order it to have an effect on Superman.
If you can't understand the difference between "another universe's Kryptonite doesn't affect him" and "nobody from another universe can use Kryptonite against him," then that's your problem, and your logic is so utterly terrible on the face of it that I really don't feel all that compelled to waste time on it.
Originally posted by KK the Great
I made my point.
Silly distractions don't equate to points.
Put simply...
Originally posted by KK the Great
If Superman is affected by his universe's Kryptonite (which we'll call Kryptonite Alpha), but he isn't affected by another universe's Kryptonite (Kryptonite Beta), then the Silver Surfer has to produce Kryptonite Alpha in order it to have an effect on Superman.
And put simply. The proof that Surfer can create kryptonite beta is what is needed..especially when he hasn't even been shown to create kryptonite alpha in the first place or even have the ability to do so against a similar character. It would have come handy when they did fight.
Not a hard concept to grasp.
Originally posted by KK the Great
If you can't understand the difference between "another universe's Kryptonite doesn't affect him" and "nobody from another universe can use Kryptonite against him," then that's your problem, and your logic is so utterly terrible on the face of it that I really don't feel all that compelled to waste time on it.
But you feel the need to keep coming back here and have time to type silly responses. Funny how you have time for that...especially as your ideas were erroneous in the first place. That and the time to come from a different place just to spam up this one.
🙂