Possible battlezone? Anyone want to represent Superman

Originally posted by Avlon
And put simply. The proof that Surfer can create kryptonite beta is what is needed..especially when he hasn't even been shown to create kryptonite alpha in the first place

Kryptonite is meaningless in Marvel, so using a burden of proof that requires Surfer creating Kryptonite is intellectual dishonesty at its highest.

or even have the ability to do so against a similar character.

This is a more reasonable burden of proof, but also makes your case much less solidly. Kryptonite isn't some special magic entity. It's just a specific radiation wavelength. The burden of proof would be on you to give some reason to believe that Surfer would be somehow less capable of producing this wavelength than he would any other wavelength.

Originally posted by batdude123
The majority of people over here regard Odin to be > Darkseid. I don't know where you got the idea of the opposite being true.

And yeah, most people over here agree that Darkseid beats top tiers. Perhaps even quite easily, at that. However, does that mean that DC is favored over Marvel here? Not at all.

You're liable to find one or two people around here who think that Superman can take Thanos, yes. However, I'm pretty sure that most people on here would tell you that Thanos beats Supes.

And let's just look at Silver Surfer. In the past, you've given the nod to Superman if these two were to combat each other, because Superman is more battle oriented than Norrin. However, on KMC Norrin blasts him with kryptonite, red solar radiation, and puts a black hole in his brain all before Superman can do anything for the win.

Of course, your view is skewed, because all you do is post in threads consisting of top tiers. You don't get the full picture that way.

KMC is in no way more biased towards DC than Marvel. Take a pole, and I guarantee that a majority of people on here prefer Marvel to DC. Sure, it's not as heavily in Marvel's favor as herochat, but it's asinine to say that there are more DC noobs on KMC when you look at it in retrospect.

LOL @ you thinking you know this board. You're basing generalizations on almost nothing.

Trill talk.

I read through almost any thread on the forum.

When i first registered in 04, i went back and read through what must have been 700+ pages of threads.

Trust, i've read every thread.

Batman vs Spiderman, Batman vs Daredevil, Batman vs Wolverine..

Done, and done.

I just mainly post in top tier threads because those tend to see the most activity.

And nowadays, i stay away from threads doomed to inactivity and spite.

But i read these thread, berieve that.

I didn't say where the lay of the land was from the top. I've been at the bottom, and it's still gritty.

I've seen people argue that Batman could take Spiderman.

Originally posted by UniOmni
I've seen people argue that Batman could take Spiderman.

I once saw this guy who saw one person and then used what he did to make assumptions about dozens of unconnected people.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Excellent point. But one reason the surfer never needs to really go bloodlust is cuz he is generally just more powerful. When he needs to bloodlust, he acts like an idiot and let's thanos one shot him.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I once saw this guy who saw one person and then used what he did to make assumptions about dozens of unconnected people.

Woah! Where?

I swear I must have seen the SAME guy!

Weird.

Originally posted by KK the Great
Kryptonite is meaningless in Marvel, so using a burden of proof that requires Surfer creating Kryptonite is intellectual dishonesty at its highest.

Dishonesty is making claims without any proof.

Originally posted by KK the Great
This is a more reasonable burden of proof, but also makes your case much less solidly. Kryptonite isn't some special magic entity. It's just a specific radiation wavelength. The burden of proof would be on you to give some reason to believe that Surfer would be somehow less capable of producing this wavelength than he would any other wavelength.

Burden of proof relies on that a character can do what you claim...especially when the proof is against them.

The most we've heard from SS is that he knows Glads secret...nothing was ever shown of it afterwards...even when Glads and SS fought. Post IC, the rules are clear...not from Superman's reality? Non-working Kryp..providing SS could have recreated it in the 1st place.

Originally posted by Avlon
Dishonesty is making claims without any proof.

Intellectual dishonesty is asking for a burden of proof that you know there is zero chance of being met, but pretending as though you're being reasonable.

Burden of proof relies on that a character can do what you claim...especially when the proof is against them.

Sorry, but no.

We know Surfer can produce and manipulate practically any sort of mundane energy. It's a very basic element of his powerset.

We also know that Kryptonite is nothing more than a specific radiation wavelength.

So the most natural assumption is it would be no difficult matter for Surfer to produce Kryptonite.

Since you are the one arguing that Kryptonite would, for some unknown reason, fall out of Surfer's power to produce, the burden of proof falls to you.

The most we've heard from SS is that he knows Glads secret...nothing was ever shown of it afterwards...even when Glads and SS fought. Post IC, the rules are clear...not from Superman's reality? Non-working Kryp..providing SS could have recreated it in the 1st place.

Yes, the "rules" are pretty clear, making it all the more laughable that you can't seem to understand how it works.

Originally posted by KK the Great
Since you are the one arguing that Kryptonite would, for some unknown reason, fall out of Surfer's power to produce, the burden of proof falls to you.

Since you're asking him to prove that Surfer cannot do something I feel I should mention . . .

Originally posted by KK the Great
Intellectual dishonesty is asking for a burden of proof that you know there is zero chance of being met, but pretending as though you're being reasonable.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Since you're asking him to prove that Surfer cannot do something I feel I should mention . . .

He doesn't need to.

The Surfer manipulates?

Kryptonite is?

Q.E. MFing D.

Originally posted by KK the Great
Intellectual dishonesty is asking for a burden of proof that you know there is zero chance of being met, but pretending as though you're being reasonable.

Except for the fact that you're claiming it. If you're attempting to be logical about thing...non-facts are unacceptable.

Originally posted by KK the Great
Sorry, but no.

We know Surfer can produce and manipulate practically any sort of mundane energy. It's a very basic element of his powerset.

Actually...SS can manipulate a lot of energies...but not all.

Originally posted by KK the Great
We also know that Kryptonite is nothing more than a specific radiation wavelength.

If it were that easy...Firestorm and the GL's would have been successful on prime, and it would have been easy to recreate on any kryptonian...except..DC made it clear..not the same universe...ain't happening...

Originally posted by KK the Great
So the most natural assumption is it would be no difficult matter for Surfer to produce Kryptonite.

Except we don't deal with assumption here. Which is what you have based this last sentence on. SS claims he could have blasted Glads with radiation..but even when in physical brawle did not or could not do it.

[QUOTE=9760179]Originally posted by KK the Great
[B]Since you are the one arguing that Kryptonite would, for some unknown reason, fall out of Surfer's power to produce, the burden of proof falls to you.

Since it's what's been stated by DC, and SS has yet to produce any..the burden is on you. Makes you wonder...since SS can manipulate and recreate any energy by what you're saying... he should be able to reproduce the energy Drax used to kill Thanos and be able to kill Thanos himself.

Originally posted by KK the Great
Yes, the "rules" are pretty clear, making it all the more laughable that you can't seem to understand how it works.

Another laughable attempt at an insult.

Originally posted by Soljer
He doesn't need to.

The Surfer manipulates? an enigmatic form of energy known as the PowerCosmic

Kryptonite is? a type of rock

Q.E. MFing D.

I doesn't see where you're going with this.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I doesn't see where you're going with this.

-_-.

I see what you did there.

Originally posted by Soljer
He doesn't need to.

The Surfer manipulates? young children.

Kryptonite is? pretty.

Q.E. MFing D.

Mad libs are fun. 😛

Originally posted by Avlon
Except for the fact that you're claiming it. If you're attempting to be logical about thing...non-facts are unacceptable.

I'm claiming it based on reasonable, logical grounds.

You're claiming otherwise based on...I don't know what. The fact that Superman is your most favoritest character in the whole wide world?

Actually...SS can manipulate a lot of energies...but not all.

I can't think of any mundane energy that has ever fallen outside what he could manipulate.

If it were that easy...Firestorm and the GL's would have been successful on prime, and it would have been easy to recreate on any kryptonian...except..DC made it clear..not the same universe...ain't happening...

What they made clear was that Kryptonite in Prime's universe was different than Kryptonite in their universe, and Firestorm made the wrong kind of Kryptonite.

Kryptonite, in any universe, is nothing more than a specific radiation wavelength.

The fact that Kryptonians from different universes are weak against different wavelengths doesn't mean there's some steadfast rule that nobody from another universe can create Kryptonite that would work on Superman. Jumping to that conclusion is patently absurd.

Since it's what's been stated by DC, and SS has yet to produce any..the burden is on you. Makes you wonder...since SS can manipulate and recreate any energy by what you're saying... he should be able to reproduce the energy Drax used to kill Thanos and be able to kill Thanos himself.

The hell are you babbling about?

Drax killed Thanos by pulling his heart out.

Originally posted by KK the Great
I'm claiming it based on reasonable, logical grounds.

You're claiming otherwise based on...I don't know what. The fact that Superman is your most favoritest character in the whole wide world?

I can't think of any mundane energy that has ever fallen outside what he could manipulate.

What they made clear was that Kryptonite in Prime's universe was different than Kryptonite in their universe, and Firestorm made the wrong kind of Kryptonite.

Kryptonite, in any universe, is nothing more than a specific radiation wavelength.

The fact that Kryptonians from different universes are weak against different wavelengths doesn't mean there's some steadfast rule that nobody from another universe can create Kryptonite that would work on Superman. Jumping to that conclusion is patently absurd.

The hell are you babbling about?

Drax killed Thanos by pulling his heart out.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Yes, But Drax is a certain wavelength of energy, that allows him to get around Thanos defenses. Surely surfer can just make same said wavelength and cover himself in it. Why hasn't he?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Yes, But Drax is a certain wavelength of energy, that allows him to get around Thanos defenses. Surely surfer can just make same said wavelength and cover himself in it. Why hasn't he?

Because that is the most nonsensical thing I have ever had the displeasure of reading.

Originally posted by KK the Great
Because that is the most nonsensical thing I have ever had the displeasure of reading.

Originally posted by KK the Great
Because that is the most nonsensical thing I have ever had the displeasure of reading.

Animals often tear up things made by Humans becuz they do not understand.

Slower children throw fits when looking at math problems that the regular kids get past with ease.

Regular people often mock genius.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Animals often tear up things made by Humans becuz they do not understand.

Slower children throw fits when looking at math problems that the regular kids get past with ease.

Regular people often mock genius.