Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
lol DS ever had a galaxy-destroying battle?A fight with potentially multiversal consequences fromt the fight?
Ever battled, and beaten, a dark side version of himself who's enpowered by a true universal abstract? (Infinity had...Infinity's power)
Eyeknobs isn't fit to lick Odin's godly balls.
DS and highfather battled and shook the cosmos. balanced the source. DS created stayne, a being who is the rival of takion. And Odin never destroyed any galaxies in his battle. It was just stated that it could such and such. blah and blah. DS omega force is also powered by not a true universal abstract, but a multiversal one.
Odin isn't fit to lick DS bootstrap.
DS and highfather battled and shook the cosmos.
You were already shot down by Galan on this...
DS created stayne, a being who is the rival of takion.
Yet who isn't as strong as Takion by feats.
. DS omega force is also powered by not a true universal abstract, but a multiversal one.
Not a feat and completely irrelevant when compared to Odin actually fighting a being enpowered by a univeral abstract.
And yes, Odin destroyed galaxies.
Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
You were already shot down by Galan on this...Yet who isn't as strong as Takion by feats.
Not a feat and completely irrelevant when compared to Odin actually fighting a being enpowered by a univeral abstract.
And yes, Odin destroyed galaxies.
Galan didn't shoot anything down. Sorry. Takion himself had to be hidden from DS so that he not get destroyed by DS. It wasn't a feat when you named Odin's dark half being empowered? So when I name DS omega being powered by the source, all of a sudden it's not a feat? And I dont' remember odin destroying any galaxies in his fight with seth. only such danger.
At any rate, the entire universe falls to oblivion when you remove DS. That alone trumps any and all of Odin's "galactic" lvl feats.
I'm sorry but I didn't read all 13 pages before posting this. So if this has been addressed before in this thread then please ignore.
Thor lifted only the A section of the serpent (twice). This is explained by Marvel in OHOTMU. In the fishing tale, the A section of the serpent was physical while the rest of the serpent's body was in ethereal form (intangible ghost-like) as the panel states. It was magically (not physically) crushing the Earth. No one on Earth could see or feel the serpent. For it was not only invisible to them but also intangible(ethereal) to them as well. Second, the boat supplied some power for Thor (how much is not known). And finally, I could find nowhere in ancient Norse Mythology that the Midgard Serpent weighed as much as the Earth. I've read through several versions of the major stories that Jörmungandr played a part. The latter is moot since actual Norse Mythology is not canon to Marvel anyway. But I consider that feat still an awesome strength feat and one of the best ever. Thor's strength is not to be reckoned with.
Originally posted by Ouallada
Originally posted by Avlon
clone
n : a group of genetically identical cells or organisms derived
from a single cell or individual by some kind of asexual
reproduction.clone n. 1. An exact duplicate: "Our product is a clone of their
product." Implies a legal reimplementation from documentation or by
reverse-engineering.Strawman much?
Tell me, who exactly are clone troopers cloned from?
Was Dolly the sheep an exact replica in every single aspect?
You think Superman wins? Fine, but please. Save us the condescension.
Originally posted by Bransolute
10 tons then.
He lifted and slammed a massive military tank on Orion in Doomsday Wars. Probably 60-75tons. I know, you're now going to say '100 tons then', right?
Then thing is, if someone had class 50 strength, good durability, super speed, good agility, and good fighting skill and they fought someone of class 100 strength with slower speed, worst agility, worst durability, and worst fighting skill then it would appear as if the class 50 was stronger than the class 100 person in the comic. Right?
I mean this is what almost everyone is judging strength on (the outcome of a h2h fight). Winning or going toe to toe in h2h against someone tells nothing of who has the superior strength (or even if one's strength is even close to the other), unless the two were clutched up and wrestling to get the upperhand. This is because the fight depends on durability, fighting ability, speed, reflexes, and agility and not just strength.
So judging one's true strength shouldn't be on just lifting feats, but hitting feats, wrestling feats (with someone of certain strength), and deformation feats (like ripping metal with bare hands, breaking out of binds, jumping, etc.).
With that said, Thano's strength is unknown. It is a fact that he has super strength though, but how much is not known. So no one can say that, with any evidence, he is stronger than Hulk, Thor, Superman, etc. , even if he can make them look like fools in h2h. For winning h2h doesn't prove one is stronger (only better).
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Thanos isn't scared of using those big, purple fists of him. Ask Surfer, or Champion, or Thing, or Thor, or others I forget.The way psycho gundam was talking, seemed like Thanos never relies on brute strength. Which is wrong.
Which is exactly why I'm so upset he never reeeeally took Champion on mano a mano.
Grrr. 😠
Originally posted by Master-Borg'Regular' Superman does not exist in the All-Star Universe. srsly
no, I know.All Star Superman lifted 200 Quintillion tons with one hand...the scientists then observed that that was the max of the machine and it was 3 times more than what regular Superman lifted on the machine
200/3 = 65
so regular superman was capable of lifting 65 quintillion tons
And 200/3 = 66.6666666 *insert infinity symbol here*, btw.
So,
According to Jimmy's tests, All-Star Supes would have been capable of lifting roughly 67 quintillion tons with one hand -- before his 'accident'.
That figure does not relate to 'regular' Superman whatsoever.
Originally posted by Galan007
'Regular' Superman does not exist in the All-Star Universe. srslyAnd 200/3 = 66.6666666 *insert infinity symbol here*, btw.
So,
According to Jimmy's tests, All-Star Supes would have been capable of lifting roughly 67 quintillion tons with one hand -- before his 'accident'.That figure does not relate to 'regular' Superman whatsoever.
Hmm.... very good point.
Galan what are your thoughts on WWH having strength and durability on par with A.S. Superman given that he held the tectonic plates together on Sakaar? Whether you consider his strength to be tactile telekinesis or not is irrelevant, as the planet didn't get destroyed as the ruler of Sakaar wanted to, so that verifies that Hulk did in fact hold the planet together. This was weakened Hulk, before he got his strength upgrade in WWH.
My apologies for being off-topic, relevancy is only that Thanos has smacked Hulk around in the past, although each time they fought so far it didn't look like Hulk was as enraged as he was on planet Sakaar when he performed the feat.
I'll post my calculations from the Etrigan thread:
In Planet Hulk, he held together two tectonic plates. This is before he got upgraded to his now famous WWH strength level.Let's calculate the mass of a tectonic plate on Earth's crust for comparison:
The lithosphere, consisting mainly of the cold, rigid, rocky crust of the earth extends to depths of 100 km (60 mi). The rocks of the lithosphere have an average density of 2.7 g/cm3 and are almost entirely made up of 11 elements, which together account for about 99.5 percent of its mass. The most abundant is oxygen (about 46.60 percent of the total), followed by silicon (about 27.72 percent), aluminum (8.13 percent), iron (5.0 percent), calcium (3.63 percent), sodium (2.83 percent), potassium (2.59 percent), magnesium (2.09 percent) and titanium, hydrogen, and phosphorus (totaling less than 1 percent). In addition, 11 other elements are present in trace amounts of 0.1 to 0.02 percent. These elements, in order of abundance, are carbon, manganese, sulfur, barium, chlorine, chromium, fluorine, zirconium, nickel, strontium, and vanadium. The elements are present in the lithosphere almost entirely in the form of compounds rather than in their free state. These compounds exist almost entirely in the crystalline state, so they are, by definition, minerals.
The lithosphere comprises two shells :the crust and upper mantle that are divided into a dozen or so rigid tectonic plates. The crust itself is divided in two. The sialic or upper crust, of which the continents consist, is made up of igneous and sedimentary rocks whose average chemical composition is similar to that of granite and whose density is about 2.7 g/cm3. The simatic or lower crust, which forms the floors of the ocean basins, is made of darker, heavier igneous rocks such as gabbro and basalt, with an average density of about 3. Taking all of this and some other factors into consideration, we get:
volume = 5.054 x10^19 cubic meters
density of 2.7 g/cm3
mass = 1.365 x10^23 kg = 2.18 % of earth's mass
= 2.72 % of earth's volumeTherefore if we divide this value into 12 (the given amount of tectonic plates on Earth), we have a value as follows:
mass per plate = 1.1375 x10^22 kg, or in terms of tons, 1.13 x10^19 metric tons (in layman's terms, that's 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 metric tons).
In other words, to even budge a tectonic plate, given that it is constantly forced against other tectonic plates, it requires trillions of tons of force at the bare minimum. What Hulk did was counter that force - counter trillions of tons of force being pressed in opposite directions. This is while getting burned by magma at the same time.
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Also in relevancy to the Hulk feat listed above, tectonic plates have to push against each other to move; they aren't simply floating like icebergs, for one plate to move it literally has to force another plate underneath it, making it that much more of an impressive feat. Normally this process takes billions of years for small imcrements, and Hulk counteracted that in terms of minutes, which means the amount of force would have to be even greater in order to hold them together.
Originally posted by KutuluAn impressive feat for Hulk, that's for sure.
Hmm.... very good point.Galan what are your thoughts on WWH having strength and durability on par with A.S. Superman given that he held the tectonic plates together on Sakaar? Whether you consider his strength to be tactile telekinesis or not is irrelevant, as the planet didn't get destroyed as the ruler of Sakaar wanted to, so that verifies that Hulk did in fact hold the planet together. This was weakened Hulk, before he got his strength upgrade in WWH.
My apologies for being off-topic, relevancy is only that Thanos has smacked Hulk around in the past, although each time they fought so far it didn't look like Hulk was as enraged as he was on planet Sakaar when he performed the feat.
I'll post my calculations from the Etrigan thread:
Also in relevancy to the Hulk feat listed above, tectonic plates have to push against each other to move; they aren't simply floating like icebergs, for one plate to move it literally has to force another plate underneath it, making it that much more of an impressive feat. Normally this process takes billions of years for small imcrements, and Hulk counteracted that in terms of minutes, which means the amount of force would have to be even greater in order to hold them together.
But it's hardly something I'd put past All-Star Superman, [the guy who hit a planet so hard it literally retreated back to its own dimension].
Originally posted by Galan007
An impressive feat for Hulk, that's for sure.But it's hardly something I'd put past All-Star Superman, [the guy who hit a planet so hard it literally retreated back to its own dimension].
sure, but superman strength feats are dumb
the guy pulls a chain with planets on it *lol*through space*lol*.
WHAT A GOOD READ! the sad thing is that there are a myriad more of dumber $hit that superman did, but then again whoes reading that crap anyway
Originally posted by psycho gundamThe feat you just listed is from the pre-crisis era.
sure, but superman strength feats are dumb
the guy pulls a chain with planets on it *lol*through space*lol*.
WHAT A GOOD READ! the sad thing is that there are a myriad more of dumber $hit that superman did, but then again whoes reading that crap anyway
Pre-crisis Supes, and All-Star Supes are two completely different characters -- From two completely different eras -- From two completely different realities. srsly
Originally posted by Galan007
The feat you just listed is from the pre-crisis era.Pre-crisis Supes, and All-Star Supes are two completely different characters -- From two completely different eras -- From two completely different realities. srsly
Do you think that All Star Supes will come to DC Prime because of the events from 52? I mean they have shown a Nazi Superman, amongst others...
Originally posted by Galan007
The feat you just listed is from the pre-crisis era.Pre-crisis Supes, and All-Star Supes are two completely different characters -- From two completely different eras -- From two completely different realities. srsly
PC supes is the real supes IMO, a well written supes anyways. As ive said before...thanos would be more powerful then current supes but over PC supes or a well written supes thanos does not have a prayer.
