Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Yet who isn't as strong as Takion by feats.
Actually Stayne stalemated Takion for an entire comic. It was obvious in the Takion series that Darkseid and Highfather were much more powerful than Takion, although it was hinted that Takion had the potential to grow more powerful (the writer explained that Takion IS the energy while Highfather controls the energy, so Takion has a potential that his creator doesn't, as counter-intuitive as that sounds).
Originally posted by h1a8Curse you... 😛
He lifted and slammed a massive military tank on Orion in Doomsday Wars. Probably 60-75tons. I know, you're now going to say '100 tons then', right?Then thing is, if someone had class 50 strength, good durability, super speed, good agility, and good fighting skill and they fought someone of class 100 strength with slower speed, worst agility, worst durability, and worst fighting skill then it would appear as if the class 50 was stronger than the class 100 person in the comic. Right?
I mean this is what almost everyone is judging strength on (the outcome of a h2h fight). Winning or going toe to toe in h2h against someone tells nothing of who has the superior strength (or even if one's strength is even close to the other), unless the two were clutched up and wrestling to get the upperhand. This is because the fight depends on durability, fighting ability, speed, reflexes, and agility and not just strength.So judging one's true strength shouldn't be on just lifting feats, but hitting feats, wrestling feats (with someone of certain strength), and deformation feats (like ripping metal with bare hands, breaking out of binds, jumping, etc.).
With that said, Thano's strength is unknown. It is a fact that he has super strength though, but how much is not known. So no one can say that, with any evidence, he is stronger than Hulk, Thor, Superman, etc. , even if he can make them look like fools in h2h. For winning h2h doesn't prove one is stronger (only better).
Also, I don't care how much a character can lift... I really don't. If you realized one thing, I was responding to the bullshit of this post:
Originally posted by Master-Borg
no, I know.All Star Superman lifted 200 Quintillion tons with one hand...the scientists then observed that that was the max of the machine and it was 3 times more than what regular Superman lifted on the machine
200/3 = 65
so regular superman was capable of lifting 65 quintillion tons
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlDs is physically on par with superman and has been beaten physically almost to death by this character. Odin oneshots characters like this so its the other way around. Darkseid isnt fit to lick Odins bootstrap.
DS and highfather battled and shook the cosmos. balanced the source. DS created stayne, a being who is the rival of takion. And Odin never destroyed any galaxies in his battle. It was just stated that it could such and such. blah and blah. DS omega force is also powered by not a true universal abstract, but a multiversal one.Odin isn't fit to lick DS bootstrap.
Originally posted by quanchi112Ds has one shotted supers with back hands and energy blast. I remember Odin one shotting everyone with energy blast as well. So exactly how are you comparing a phsyical Rival with odin one shotting beings with ENERGY blast is beyond my understanding. Explain to me how you were able to compare the two.
Ds is physically on par with superman and has been beaten physically almost to death by this character. Odin oneshots characters like this so its the other way around. Darkseid isnt fit to lick Odins bootstrap.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlOdin oneshotted the Surfer when he had Thanos at his side. Darkseid has been failing to stop Supes in solo situations outside the cheapshot next to the source wall.
Ds has one shotted supers with back hands and energy blast. I remember Odin one shotting everyone with energy blast as well. So exactly how are you comparing a phsyical Rival with odin one shotting beings with ENERGY blast is beyond my understanding. Explain to me how you were able to compare the two.
Darkseid backhanded superman how long ago? More than fifteen years thats for sure. Doesnt matter if someone is more physical than Odin even if yoe believe that Odin would oneshot superman and has already oneshotted the silver surfer.
Hes above Darkseid.
Actually DS is more powerful than Supes if we go by DS's best showings and including his recent feats. Supes has never beaten him one on one without plot devices or help. DS has taken down beings far superior to Superman many times over, including Eclipso. I'm getting sick and tired of Superman fanboys.
Originally posted by Barbarian ShamsUhm we cant just go by his best showings thats the thing. Of course he is if we take only his best and dont look at anything else. Who is a superman fanboy becuz i hope you arent referring to me becuz i hate superman and always have.
Actually DS is more powerful than Supes if we go by DS's best showings and including his recent feats. Supes has never beaten him one on one without plot devices or help. DS has taken down beings far superior to Superman many times over, including Eclipso. I'm getting sick and tired of Superman fanboys.
The evidence is on Supes side. I've always expected based on his feats that Superman would be physically stronger than characters like Thanos and DS.
I dislike Thanos as a character, I dislike that people compare him to a far more unique and interesting character like DS. I recognize that Thanos rivals DS in power, but I really hate that he's a rip-off with little going for him in the character department (I think his costume sucks) but is still comparable in power.
I dislike Thanos' motivations (impressing death?) for being a bad guy and some of his schemes just lack the necessary sophistication for a guy who's intelligence is often being complemented on panel.
Originally posted by AllanklesDs isnt more unique than Thanos at all. I mean darkseid hasnt changed one bit sicne he was created. Thanos has changed by leaps and bounds. I mean even if you dont like Thanos you cant claim Ds is more exciting becuz hes doing now what he set out to do when he was created find the ale. I mean Ds is your plain old mr evil and hasnt really changed at all since he was introduced.
The evidence is on Supes side. I've always expected based on his feats that Superman would be physically stronger than characters like Thanos and DS.I dislike Thanos as a character, I dislike that people compare him to a far more unique and interesting character like DS. I recognize that Thanos rivals DS in power, but I really hate that he's a rip-off with little going for him in the character department (I think his costume sucks) but is still comparable in power.
I dislike Thanos' motivations (impressing death?) for being a bad guy and some of his schemes just lack the necessary sophistication for a guy who's intelligence is often being complemented on panel.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ds isnt more unique than Thanos at all. I mean darkseid hasnt changed one bit sicne he was created. Thanos has changed by leaps and bounds. I mean even if you dont like Thanos you cant claim Ds is more exciting becuz hes doing now what he set out to do when he was created find the ale. I mean Ds is your plain old mr evil and hasnt really changed at all since he was introduced.
DS has killed his mother, helped save the universe a few times, ruled a planet of Gods, warred with the gaurdians, who now stand to war with the AM, now that is saying something right there, defied the spectre, and now calculates and manipulates reality and events all across space for his own ends. He hasn't changed much?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ds isnt more unique than Thanos at all. I mean darkseid hasnt changed one bit sicne he was created. Thanos has changed by leaps and bounds. I mean even if you dont like Thanos you cant claim Ds is more exciting becuz hes doing now what he set out to do when he was created find the ale. I mean Ds is your plain old mr evil and hasnt really changed at all since he was introduced.
Change is a good thing, but you have to consider the alignment of your character. Darkseid's character is quite interesting for all his ambitions to find the ALE and dominate all sentient life, he'll also leave you alone if you don't interfere with his business.
He seems to also have a streak of nobility in him. He's seen being impressed by an opponents effort, and is willing to lessen the suffering of those few who put up a good fight. He's more interested in keeping order than outright destruction, in fact one would say he values life - in so much as it can be of benefit to him (in one way or another).
Let's not forget he stays true to his character (unlike Thanos) .e.g. when he chooses to occasionally team up with heroes, he does it for purely selfish reasons and immediately looks to further his ambitions once the threat is out of the way.
Kirby's character has never been changed drastically, because there's little to change. Darkseid' pride makes him believe he can rule the universe, this can only change when the character stops becoming Darkseid. So his pursuit for the ALE remains.
Let's not forget that his character telepathically feeds off the fear and despair of others. DS and the new gods just have a uniquely drawn mythos, that just hasn't been matched in comics IMO. There's a reason why Stalin (Thanos creator) wished he'd created Darkseid (his own words).
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
DS has killed his mother, helped save the universe a few times, ruled a planet of Gods, warred with the gaurdians, who now stand to war with the AM, now that is saying something right there, defied the spectre, and now calculates and manipulates reality and events all across space for his own ends. He hasn't changed much?
He's done all that but his character remained the same, what we should be saying is that Darkseid has a deep character (not a changing one).
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlYes hes always been a selfish evil ******* that only helps to save the universe becuz he feels it belongs to him.
DS has killed his mother, helped save the universe a few times, ruled a planet of Gods, warred with the gaurdians, who now stand to war with the AM, now that is saying something right there, defied the spectre, and now calculates and manipulates reality and events all across space for his own ends. He hasn't changed much?
Originally posted by AllanklesI dont want to get into a whole thing about Darkseid and Thanos but what the hell you brought it up. Thanos doesnt seek to conquer the universe becuz hes already done it. I mean he eradicated practically everything in marvels the end. He has done things that would make Darkseid drool. Its no wonder why Darkseid remains the same its becuz hes not very good at accomplishing his goals.
Change is a good thing, but you have to consider the alignment of your character. Darkseid's character is quite interesting for all his ambitions to find the ALE and dominate all sentient life, he'll also leave you alone if you don't interfere with his business.He seems to also have a streak of nobility in him. He's seen being impressed by an opponents effort, and is willing to lessen the suffering of those few who put up a good fight. He's more interested in keeping order than outright destruction, in fact one would say he values life - in so much as it can be of benefit to him (in one way or another).
Let's not forget he stays true to his character (unlike Thanos) .e.g. when he chooses to occasionally team up with heroes, he does it for purely selfish reasons and immediately looks to further his ambitions once the threat is out of the way.
Kirby's character has never been changed drastically, because there's little to change. Darkseid' pride makes him believe he can rule the universe, this can only change when the character stops becoming Darkseid. So his pursuit for the ALE remains.
Let's not forget that his character telepathically feeds off the fear and despair of others. DS and the new gods just have a uniquely drawn mythos, that just hasn't been matched in comics IMO. There's a reason why Stalin (Thanos creator) wished he'd created Darkseid (his own words).
Stralin is writing the death of all the new gods. How ironic that the guy you claim is so envious of Darkseid that they would pick him to kill him off. I cant wait.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlYouve also said that Thanos is cooler than Darkseid before. 😆
DS has killed his mother, helped save the universe a few times, ruled a planet of Gods, warred with the gaurdians, who now stand to war with the AM, now that is saying something right there, defied the spectre, and now calculates and manipulates reality and events all across space for his own ends. He hasn't changed much?