Whoo SHM, you showed us nothing at all expect that you drool over Sephiroth and can't stand to see anyone stronger than him. Kuja destroyed a planet and you have done nothing to disprove that. Supernova is not that powerful or else Cloud and co would have been obliterated before the attack fully hit.
Ultima >>> Supernova by far.
the pillars of sustentation
Where is the name of these pillars said exactly?
Oh and let's look what Kuja says right before he goes berserk...
Kuja: I won't... I won't let this world exist without me!
So, ALL quotes say "world".
Nothing more, nothing less.
Provide ONE statement even so much as hinting it wasn't the whole planet. I dare you.
I'm calling you out right here.
Prove.
Your.
Claims.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
Whoo SHM, you showed us nothing at all expect that you drool over Sephiroth and can't stand to see anyone stronger than him. Kuja destroyed a planet and you have done nothing to disprove that.
It's very clear what happened in the game. Kuja destroyed some buildings, that's all. We don't have Kitase and/or Nomura to say he is more powerful than that and was holding back(like they said about Sephiroth). We have to go by what is presented in the game. Kuja destroyed the pillars of sustentation from some buildings.
Supernova is not that powerful or else Cloud and co would have been obliterated before the attack fully hit.Ultima >>> Supernova by far.
Read again, and pay attention:
The solar system being destroyed is an illusion, but the attack is real(and much weaker than what the illusion show us, of course). An illusion can't harm people. But Super Nova can harm the party.
According to the game Kuja destroyed Terra (a planet). You still have yet to do anything that disproves that. Show me ingame text, something from the creators, or anything that even suggests Kuja didn't destroy Terra. Go ahead. Until then and only until then will I even listen to you because until then you have nothing to go by other then your word. Kuja destroyed an entire planet. Sephiroth hasn't even proven to be able to do something close to do even with Black Materia.
Kuja > Sephiroth
Originally posted by ESB -1138
According to the game Kuja destroyed Terra (a planet). You still have yet to do anything that disproves that. Show me ingame text, something from the creators, or anything that even suggests Kuja didn't destroy Terra. Go ahead. Until then and only until then will I even listen to you because until then you have nothing to go by other then your word. Kuja destroyed an entire planet. Sephiroth hasn't even proven to be able to do something close to do even with Black Materia.Kuja > Sephiroth
And according to the creators of the game, Sephiroth is in the level of a being who can destroy a planet. Hell, this is what he was doing in AC.
"Kuja > Sephiroth" is opinion.
But Kuja destroying a planet is hyperbole.
Originally posted by Terryc250
What makes you think its an illusion SHM?
Super Nova?
The attack exists, like I said. But it never destroyed the solar system. Everyone(including Sephiroth) would be dead in the first Super Nova, if it was real.
I see it like the other summons in FF. Eden of FFVIII for example. Eden exists, but it cannot destroy a galaxy. The same for Super Nova. The "comet" exists, but it's much weaker than what we see in the illusion.
But Kosmos beats Seph... And rapes Kuja.
During gameplay you see alot of those kinds of things with summons/attacks,
Regular Shinra guards surviving multiple slashes by Clouds sword, does that make Clouds sword an illusion? Small cactus creatures surviving huge bahamut blasts, but yet we see bahamut in AC and he isn't an illusion. Its just unrealistic gameplay, thats all.. there has never been illusion attacks in FFVII, do you really thin Sephiroth would actually make a big scene just to hit them with a fireblast? Seems really pointless and unneccesary.. if Supernova really was an illusion i'm pretty sure it would be stated and explained in the Ultimania by the creators, if not.. then what we see is what we see.
Basically the reasons that ppl use for the illusion "theory" works for ALL summons, not just supernova summon itself..
Why is Kuja being discussed? LULZ
Tbh...with Super Nova, Sephiroth won't win...KOS-MOS can actually vaporize a star with the Transfer Phase Cannon (which would be the Super Nova A.K.A star in this case) and withstood an attack that took out an entire galaxy in a possible future. 😬 Keyword: "Possible" meaning it would happen.
Originally posted by SHM
And according to the creators of the game, Sephiroth is in the level of a being who can destroy a planet. Hell, this is what he was doing in AC.
"Kuja > Sephiroth" is opinion.But Kuja destroying a planet is hyperbole.
No never once did the creators say Sephiroth can destroy a planet. Provide proof, provide back up. And Kuja > Sephiroth is fact. Fact: Kuja destroyed a planet. Fact: Sephiroth has never even been shown to have such power even with Black Materia.
Kuja surpasses Sephiroth; nuff said. Unless you can back up your claim that Sephiroth can destroy a planet don't even reply to this
Here's proof that Kuja only took out the surface, from an old Sephy vs Kuja topic.
The FFIX UOG say that Terra is located in the core of Gaia. If Kuja blew up Terra, Gaia would have been destroyed too. Terra was still there. This is proved by Kuja in the Crystal World, when he said that the process of assimilation between Gaia and Terra was already begun, and he couldn’t do anything to stop it, even if he tried. How Terra was asssimilating Gaia if Terra didn’t exist anymore? Because Terra was still there. Kuja didn’t blew up the planet, he just destroyed the surface of it.
Looks like you're wrong again Nikk.
The FFIX UOG say that Terra is located in the core of Gaia. If Kuja blew up Terra, Gaia would have been destroyed too.
lol The Crystal's old argument...
You know, I asked him several times for the actual translation or scans or anything and he never once provided it.
Oh and just FYI, you can't even get to Terra from Gaia normally. It's sealed off magically. So, how exactly do YOU or that poster know that would happen to Gaia if Terra was destroyed?
In fact, IIRC, I heard the Shimmering Island is in bits after you return. After Terra was destroyed. Maybe it's the after-effect.
This is proved by Kuja in the Crystal World, when he said that the process of assimilation between Gaia and Terra was already begun, and he couldn’t do anything to stop it, even if he tried.
Not exactly. The souls of Terra are already in Gaia. but Gaia still has enough of its own souls that is isn't completely Terra. This is why Kuja says
Hmph. You honestly think you can beat me? Even if you do, Gaia's already doomed. Its assimilation by Terra has begun, and the Iifa Tree will incite a cataclysmic destruction of Gaia.
And Garland
Garland: Even now, the Iifa Tree blocks the flow of Gaia's souls, while it lets those of Terra flow freely.
Even if Terra is destroyed, the souls of Gaia are stopped while the Terran souls already present flow freely.
More than that, Kefka took out a measly two towns. Sephiroth destroyed more than Kefka, because he took out Nibelheim and Midgar, and Midgar is far larger than either of Kefka's towns.
Kefka could casually, on a whim, vaporize said towns with a beam of light. Sephiroth needed a week straight for his stupid rock to arrive.