Originally posted by SHM
I'm not trying to act smart, I just know what I'm talking about. Minerva is the living will/consciousness of the planet... Who/what do you think created the Weapons, Chaos, Holy, and etc? The planet AKA Minerva. These are some of her feats.
Still no feats to back up your claim on what Minerva can do. All that is known is she is a goddess and take a look at games and you'll see a lot of gods being defeated such as Solaris, Zeus, Ares, and Mundas.
Originally posted by SHM
And Omega's body is [B]composed of Lifestream of the entire planet. He basicaly IS the Lifestream.[/B]
No Omega gathers all of the Lifestream from all around the planet and takes it to another planet.
Originally posted by SHM
Sephiroth is equal to them. I'm not talking about Seph being capable of doing the same things they can. I'm talking about two characters with control over all the Lifestream, and an official statemen saying that [B]nothing is above Sephiroth.So, if both of these characters are composed of/can controll the Lifestream, how can you say Seph's Lifestream(his source of power) is weaker than the normal Lifestream(Omega/Minerva)? You are going against the word of Kitase and Nomura here. [/B]
Good job on explaining nothing. Nothing above Sephiroth doesn't mean someone can't do something better than Sephiroth. Show me an official source and not just your word saying that Minerva and Omega WEAPON are composed of/can control the Lifestream. And yeah Sephiroth's sad excuse for a Lifestream was much weaker.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
I see you're still desperately trying to explain away you being wrong about Terra. The fact is he only nuked the surface with multiple blasts. Palmer of the ShinRa company, a fat, childish, old man, could do that with several blasts from the Sister Ray. Not very impressive if Palmer could do it.
Are you that desperate to compare Kuja's own planet destroying power to a weapon that can is no where near Kuja's strength? Show me proof link, sources, or scans that suggests Kuja didn't destroy Terra.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Still unwilling to accept that you're wrong I see. I don't know how you can think that a compilation title isn't proof, but I suppose its just more evidence in my favor, showing that you can't follow a logical train of thought.🙄
Because thus far you have yet to show a scan, link, or anything to back up your claim.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
He didn't destroy it, we already established that. Silly nikk, when will you learn?
No you established that in that small thing you call a mind. Fact is Kuja destroyed Terra and you have yet to prove otherwise.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
We've also established that making your own lifestream, something only the universe itself could do, is far more impressive than something Palmer could do.
.....I don't know what's more pathetic. The fact that you can't accept the fact that Kuja destroyed Terra or the fact that Sephiroth isn't as good as you make him out to be. You know what? I don't care anymore so welcome to my ignore list fascist! Population; retards.
Are you that desperate to compare Kuja's own planet destroying power to a weapon that can is no where near Kuja's strength? Show me proof link, sources, or scans that suggests Kuja didn't destroy Terra.
The majority of FFIX fans agree with me, so that burden lies with you. Give me conclusive undeniable proof that Terra was destroyed, because the fact that Gaia is still there pretty much disproves the though that it was.
ecause thus far you have yet to show a scan, link, or anything to back up your claim.
You mean besides info from the game and FFIX UOG?
No you established that in that small thing you call a mind. Fact is Kuja destroyed Terra and you have yet to prove otherwise.
Fact is you're one of two people who think this, and have no proof for your theory. All evidences points to the surface just being nuked.
.....I don't know what's more pathetic. The fact that you can't accept the fact that Kuja destroyed Terra or the fact that Sephiroth isn't as good as you make him out to be. You know what? I don't care anymore so welcome to my ignore list fascist! Population; retards.
I think the most pathetic is that you can't accept proof from FFIX, FF VII, AC, and the games creators that I'm right on both issues. Though ignoring me because you can't best me in debate is a pretty pathetic act as well, and if nothing else proves I'm right and you refuse to admit it.
Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Still waiting on fanboy fascist to provide a quote saying Kuja ony nuked the surface.Isn't it barre, facist? You try to isolate me but it seems everyone but you, and your lacky FFVII fanboy, don't agree with you because we have EVIDENCE on our side.
He's not going to show it. He's going to come up with more BS to try to avoid showing evidence and will only try to disprove what Kuja can do so he can make Sephiroth seem stronger than he truly is.
, so that burden lies with you. Give me conclusive undeniable proof that Terra was destroyed, because the fact that Gaia is still there pretty much disproves the though that it was.
A. God you are an arrogant prig!
"The majority of FFIX fans agree with me"
You are asserting that you even know 1/4 of the FFIX fanbase and then also asserting that they all agree with you?
My god man, your ego is out of control.
B. No, it wouldn't. Because the planets aren't directly connected.
Hilda: ...Unfortunately, you can't get directly to Terra from the Shimmering Island.
Kuja: You not only broke the seal to Terra, but did me the favor of defeating Garland!
So, YOU are asserting Gaia would be destroyed if Terra was despite the fact the planets have fused magically and now have a magical seal separating them?
I would LOVE to hear your basis for this. Please.
You mean besides info from the game and FFIX UOG?
Please shut up?
All you have from the UOG is, and I QUOTE EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID,
"The FFIX UOG say that Terra is located in the core of Gaia. "
THIS IS SAID RIGHT IN THE GAME AND SHOWN TOO.
Voice of Garland: That is a picture of Gaia being assimilated by Terra
Voice of Garland: Life on Terra was coming to an end... We had no choice but to proceed with the fusion, which tragically destroyed Terra's native civilizations. Terra was too old to assimilate everything. Thus, I created the Iifa Tree to regulate the flow of souls back to Terra.
You're not presenting anything not already confirmed in the game. Also note the Observatory of Terra looks out at the center of Gaia, at Gaia's souls.
Fact is you're one of two people who think this, and have no proof for your theory. All evidences points to the surface just being nuked.
PROVE IT.
I've asked SEVERAL times now.
Provide ONE LINE saying it was only the surface.
DO IT NOW or get out of this thread and concede.
I think the most pathetic is that you can't accept proof from FFIX, FF VII, AC, and the games creators that I'm right on both issues. Though ignoring me because you can't best me in debate is a pretty pathetic act as well, and if nothing else proves I'm right and you refuse to admit it.
I will request it one more time before I put you on Ignore.
Provide one quote, one fact from the game that shows you are correct. Please. I'm dying for it.
Still waiting on fanboy fascist to provide a quote saying Kuja ony nuked the surface.Isn't it barre, facist? You try to isolate me but it seems everyone but you, and your lacky FFVII fanboy, don't agree with you because we have EVIDENCE on our side.
I already gave you the evidence, you're just refusing to accept it. Go to any FFIX board and ask if Kuja destroyed it entirely or just nuked the surface, and they'll tell you it was just nuked. You have not provided any evidence for it being completely destroyed, and I have offered plenty saying it was only the surface.
If you'll notice its not just me and SHM who say it was the surface, its also everyone else in this topic, including V2D, who usually sides against Sephiroth.🙄
He's not going to show it. He's going to come up with more BS to try to avoid showing evidence and will only try to disprove what Kuja can do so he can make Sephiroth seem stronger than he truly is.
Why do people who hate Sephiroth always think evidence from the game is BS, but their baseless or blatantly wrong theories are perfect?
I've provided plenty of evidence from the game, all you two have done is provided a childish "you're wrong." Growe up and learn to debate please.
See ESB -1138? Omega is formed by the Lifestream.
. God you are an arrogant prig!
"The majority of FFIX fans agree with me"You are asserting that you even know 1/4 of the FFIX fanbase and then also asserting that they all agree with you?
My god man, your ego is out of control.
B. No, it wouldn't. Because the planets aren't directly connected.
Hilda: ...Unfortunately, you can't get directly to Terra from the Shimmering Island.
Kuja: You not only broke the seal to Terra, but did me the favor of defeating Garland!
So, YOU are asserting Gaia would be destroyed if Terra was despite the fact the planets have fused magically and now have a magical seal separating them?
I would LOVE to hear your basis for this. Please.
Magical seal or not, you can't assimilate what doesn't exist. Therefore it was only Terra's surface destroyed, and you still haven't shown any evidence for it being completely gone.
Please shut up?All you have from the UOG is, and I QUOTE EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID,
"The FFIX UOG say that Terra is located in the core of Gaia. "THIS IS SAID RIGHT IN THE GAME AND SHOWN TOO.
Voice of Garland: That is a picture of Gaia being assimilated by Terra
Voice of Garland: Life on Terra was coming to an end... We had no choice but to proceed with the fusion, which tragically destroyed Terra's native civilizations. Terra was too old to assimilate everything. Thus, I created the Iifa Tree to regulate the flow of souls back to Terra.
You're not presenting anything not already confirmed in the game. Also note the Observatory of Terra looks out at the center of Gaia, at Gaia's souls.
Still no proof for Terra being Death Starred? I'll accept this as you conceding.
PROVE IT.
I've asked SEVERAL times now.
Provide ONE LINE saying it was only the surface.
DO IT NOW or get out of this thread and concede.
I already did prove it. Since you have no proof at all for your baseless theory, it looks live you've conceded the argument.
I will request it one more time before I put you on Ignore.Provide one quote, one fact from the game that shows you are correct. Please. I'm dying for it.
I already did. How would something non existent be assimilated? The answer: it can't, therefore only the surface was glassed.
I see you still have no argument, other than flaming that is.
Garland: I want to disrupt Gaia's cycle and drain its souls, filling the void with the souls of Terra.
Garland: And in time... Gaia's souls are gone, and Gaia becomes Terra.
Garland: All you saw was the back of the tree...
Garland: Even now, the Iifa Tree blocks the flow of Gaia's souls, while it lets those of Terra flow freely.
Garland: That is the center of the planet. The end and the beginning of the cycle of souls.
Garland: The light remains Gaia's, for now, but when the blue changes to crimson, all will belong to Terra, and its restoration will be complete.
Garland: Such is the Iifa Tree's true purpose, its true form.
The Iifa Tree still blocks Gaia’s souls flow and with the “cataclysmic event” that Kuja talks about, it will kill everything on Gaia and thus all Gaia’s souls will be drained away, leaving only Terra’s. Thus, Gaia becomes Terra as Garland himself says. Afterall, Terra's souls have been filtering into Gaia's for however long the iifa Tree has been there.
And I'm on...1, 2, 3, 4, FF Boards (FFShrine, FFForums, EyesonFF, FFOnline) and 1 RPG site (RPGDreamers)
And even the people who don't agree with Terra being blown up can't provide actual proof it wasn't. Much like you.
Sigh...
A. I've already said Terra wasn't Death Starred.
B. I wasn't attempting to prove Terra was or wasn't blown up. Don't put words in my mouth.
C. I was refuting your claim "Terra can't assimilate Gaia if Terra doesn't exist". i quoted exactly from the game of how the assimilation works and how it could very easily take place without Terra being physically present.
Originally posted by SHM
YouTube videoSee ESB -1138? Omega is formed by the Lifestream.
Okay so was everything else. All life in the FF7 universe was created by the lifestream so I guess everyone has control over it.
A. I've already said Terra wasn't Death Starred.B. I wasn't attempting to prove Terra was or wasn't blown up. Don't put words in my mouth.
C. I was refuting your claim "Terra can't assimilate Gaia if Terra doesn't exist". i quoted exactly from the game of how the assimilation works and how it could very easily take place without Terra being physically present.
A. Yes you did. You said it was completely destroyed(Death Starred).
B. Yes you were, those words came straight from your mouth, no one put them there for you. Unless you didn't mean anything you've said to me this entire thread, thats exactly what you're trying to prove.🙄
C. What you posted doesn't refute my claim at all.
A. Yes you did. You said it was completely destroyed(Death Starred).
Um...no? There are SEVERAL ways to "completely destroy" a planet.
IE. There are characters who attack the cores of planets, thus inciting a reaction that blows the planet up "completely"
That has NO relation to the Death Star.
There are characters who repeatedly phyiscally attack a planet and the chain reaction results in the planet "completely destroyed".
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That has NO relation to the Death Star.
If you "Death Star" a planet, you do what the Death Star did. The Death Star shoots out energy enough that when it hits a planet, said planet explodes into pieces. A single massive amount of energy blows the planet to bits.
A planet being destroyed completely in no way means it's Death Starred. In fact, some planets in fiction have been destroyed better than the Death Star did it. There was a huge amount of debris after the laser strike. Some planets in various fiction are blown up without so much as a space rock remaining.
So, you see, your term is fallible in the highest degree.
B. Yes you were, those words came straight from your mouth, no one put them there for you. Unless you didn't mean anything you've said to me this entire thread, thats exactly what you're trying to prove
Um, you said that Terra can't assimilate Gaia if Terra is gone. I provided quotes showing how that is false. I was not saying Terra was or wasn't blown up. Get your facts straight for once.
A planet being destroyed completely in no way means it's Death Starred. In fact, some planets in fiction have been destroyed better than the Death Star did it. There was a huge amount of debris after the laser strike. Some planets in various fiction are blown up without so much as a space rock remaining.So, you see, your term is fallible in the highest degree.
Wrong yet again I see. When a planet is completely destroyed I call that being Death Starred, it is a completely acceptable term. You don't seem to realize Death Starred is just something I came up with, not a real term with a concise definition.🙄
Um, you said that Terra can't assimilate Gaia if Terra is gone. I provided quotes showing how that is false. I was not saying Terra was or wasn't blown up. Get your facts straight for once.
Nope, you provided a quote saying it would be assimilated, there was nothing about Terra being able to assimilate if it was completly destroyed in that text.
Please, learn to debate.
Um, you said that Terra can't assimilate Gaia if Terra is gone. I provided quotes showing how that is false. I was not saying Terra was or wasn't blown up. Get your facts straight for once.[/quote]
Wrong yet again I see. When a planet is completely destroyed I call that being Death Starred, it is a completely acceptable term.
If the method in which the planet was destroyed and the aftermath of the destruction has zero similarity to how the Death Star works, it's not being Death Starred.
You don't seem to realize Death Starred is just something I came up with, not a real term with a concise definition.
Most people use the term. It's a popular reference most people can understand. When you say "he Death Starred a planet" you can easily think of a giant beam of energy blowing a planet into bits. That's what the DS does.
But there are several ways to completely destroy a planet.
Nope, you provided a quote saying it would be assimilated, there was nothing about Terra being able to assimilate if it was completly destroyed in that text.
Garland: And in time... Gaia's souls are gone, and Gaia becomes Terra.
It says nothing about a physical merger, does it? Does it say ANYWHERE that the planet Terra has to physically exist for this process to continue and be completed?
Please, do tell.
If the method in which the planet was destroyed and the aftermath of the destruction has zero similarity to how the Death Star works, it's not being Death Starred.
A planet blowing up is a planet blowing up....
Most people use the term. It's a popular reference most people can understand. When you say "he Death Starred a planet" you can easily think of a giant beam of energy blowing a planet into bits. That's what the DS does.
But there are several ways to completely destroy a planet.
See above.
It says nothing about a physical merger, does it? Does it say ANYWHERE that the planet Terra has to physically exist for this process to continue and be completed?Please, do tell.
All I see is a phrase that doesn't suggest Terra doesn't need to exist to merge. As usual, you're just grabbing a random quote that doesn't support your argument and trying desperately to be right. Its kind of sad.
All I see is a phrase that doesn't suggest Terra doesn't need to exist to merge. As usual, you're just grabbing a random quote that doesn't support your argument and trying desperately to be right. Its kind of sad.
Garland: And in time... Gaia's souls are gone, and Gaia becomes Terra.
Nothing about a physical merger....
Oh and here.
Garland: The light remains Gaia's, for now, but when the blue changes to crimson, all will belong to Terra, and its restoration will be complete.
When the Terran souls replace Gaia's, Gaia becomes Terra.
THAT IS FACT.
So, for once, back up your claim. You say Terra has to exist for the assimilation to be complete. I'VE PROVEN YOU WRONG.
You say Terra has to exist for the assimilation to be complete.
No, I said if Terra blew up Gaia would have to.
I'VE PROVEN YOU WRONG.
Nope, all you've proven is that the souls merge as well as the worlds. Nothing in there says anything about Terra being able to merge if it no longer exists.🙄
Also, calm down Shin Nikkolas, its the internet. No need for the dreaded all caps to show that you're mad.😆