Question: Can ANYONE beat Classic Beyonder?

Nope.

Given that she can tap into the unlimited amount of life energy from the infinite span of time, she has an extremely good chance of doing so. She has been described as the guardian of creation, and has complete power over life and death. She represents the nexus of all psionic energy.

Originally posted by nmensfinest
Given that she can tap into the unlimited amount of life energy from the infinite span of time, she has an extremely good chance of doing so. She has been described as the guardian of creation, and has complete power over life and death. She represents the nexus of all psionic energy.

Given that she can tap into the unlimited amount of life energy from the infinite span of time, she has an extremely good chance of doing so. She has been described as the guardian of creation, and has complete power over life and death. She represents the nexus of all psionic energy.

And yet, it <<<<<< Living Tribunal who feared Molecule Man who was weaker than Beyonder at the time.

Actually, PF could well be above LT. Her power has been compared to his in the past, and the pure concept behind Phoenix suggests an extreme level of power.

LT was simply wary of Molecule Man; he did not fear him in the sense that you're trying to make out. Plus, Beyonder was barely above Molecule Man anyway.

Originally posted by nmensfinest
Actually, PF could well be above LT. Her power has been compared to his in the past, and the pure concept behind Phoenix suggests an extreme level of power.

LT was simply wary of Molecule Man; he did not fear him in the sense that you're trying to make out. Plus, Beyonder was barely above Molecule Man anyway.

Being able to completely bend life and death? Being the nexus of all psionic energy? Being the personification of creation itself? Being able to draw life energy out of the infinite span of time? You pick.

Originally posted by Bransolute
Ah... so writers can be absorbed by Galactus's tech... gotcha. 🙂

Originally posted by nmensfinest
Being able to completely bend life and death? Being the nexus of all psionic energy? Being the personification of creation itself? Being able to draw life energy out of the infinite span of time? You pick.

Originally posted by Air Legend
Correction. That was the Beyonder's tech. The reason Doom was even alive in the first place was because of the Beyonder.

Because Doom formatted Galactus's tech to his suit... and unless Beyonder created Galactus's tech...

Originally posted by Bransolute
When was this stated? I didn't pay much attention to Secret Wars II, but if you can give me a panel, then I'll believe you...

Because Doom formatted Galactus's tech to his suit... and unless Beyonder created Galactus's tech...

Originally posted by Air Legend
He used Klaw and Doombase equipment (Doombase and everything in it was created by the Beyonder) to steal energy.

And then Doom used Galactus's tech and formatted it into his armor, after he absorbed Galactus's power, and World Ship, and absorbed Beyonder's powers.

Originally posted by Bransolute
From Galactus...
Also, Doom is the one who made the machine, and thought of the plan for the Klaw thing... so I can't see how Beyonder gets attributed to that...
Basically; Beyonder made the metal, Doom made it work. 🙂

Doom made the machine from the equipment Beyonder made, NOT metal. Doom only existed because of Beyonder in the first place.

Originally posted by Bransolute
And then Doom used Galactus's tech and formatted it into his armor, after he absorbed Galactus's power, and World Ship, and absorbed Beyonder's powers.

Originally posted by Air Legend
Doom made the machine from the equipment Beyonder made, NOT metal. Doom only existed because of Beyonder in the first place.

He used the Beyonder's tech. He only need the info about Galactu's world ship and then he used Klaw and Beyonder's tech to absorb it. And you act as if he absorbed the Beyonder with ease. Galactus powered Doom got knocked the **** out and then the Beyonder hovered near the breastplate while Doom feebly reached out his arm. Basically, Beyonder hovered too near his tech that Doom made into an energy stealing device and most of his power was absorbed. And the main reason that entire plot device sequence happened was to extend the series for two more issues which equaled more $$$$.

And tell me... when exactly did Beyonder create Galactus's world ship?
Also, Doom formats Galactus's tech into his breastplate. 🙂
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/doom/SecretWars010-10.jpg

I've read the series many times... it's a beautiful series, that it is... however, no need to repeat what happened.
It doesn't matter what happened, and I don't care how much energy it took for Doom to take down Beyonder. It doesn't matter, nor is it relevant.
What matters is, that Doom was able to suppress the 'writers' power inside of him (following what you say of course 🙂 ).
And last I heard, writers don't get their power usurped and held in check by Doom (with great effort, but Doom was still able to hold the power inside of him).

Originally posted by Bransolute
That was a metaphor...
Basically saying, that Beyonder only made the supplies, while Doom made it work, and made use of it. Which means... Beyonder didn't make the machine.

Originally posted by Bransolute
And tell me... when exactly did Beyonder create Galactus's world ship?
Also, Doom formats Galactus's tech into his breastplate. 🙂
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/doom/SecretWars010-10.jpg

Originally posted by Bransolute
I've read the series many times... it's a beautiful series, that it is... however, no need to repeat what happened.
It doesn't matter what happened, and I don't care how much energy it took for Doom to take down Beyonder. It doesn't matter, nor is it relevant.
What matters is, that Doom was able to suppress the 'writers' power inside of him (following what you say of course 🙂 ).
And last I heard, writers don't get their power usurped and held in check by Doom (with great effort, but Doom was still able to hold the power inside of him).

Originally posted by Air Legend
Nobody said the Beyonder literally made the machine, but the machine was made from Beyonder's tech, meaning that Doom used Beyonder's tech to absorb energy (something I did say).

Originally posted by Air Legend
The breastplate was pretty much made by the Beyonder (he fused a future Doom's mind with the body which includes the breast plate) . The only reason Doom existed in the series was because of the Beyonder.

How in the f*ck does the breastplate matter (not to mention that it's Doom's tech)? What matters is, that Galactus's tech was able to usurp Beyonder's powers.

Originally posted by Air Legend
The writers can do whatever they want in their comic books (not literally everything but anything that is legal, approved, etc.). So if they want Doom to steal the power of the Beyonder who acts as an avatar of their power, then by all means they can write it that way.

Can I downplay Molecule Man because the writers wanted their avatar to lose then? 🙂

Also... "And constructed that fantastic machine...":

🙂

Originally posted by Bransolute
Well... you're trying to give the feat to Beyonder...
That's like saying that metal makers or whatnot made the Ipod.

Wait... wait... wait... wait... wait... wait... wait... wait... wait... wait... wait... what?

How in the f*ck does the breastplate matter (not to mention that it's Doom's tech)? What matters is, that Galactus's tech was able to usurp Beyonder's powers.

😐
Do you actually believe the butt sludge you're saying?

Can I downplay Molecule Man because the writers wanted their avatar to lose then? 🙂

Originally posted by Air Legend
It wasn't only Galactus' tech. It was just some as stated on panel. The breastplate played the biggest role (aka how he stole Galactus's energy in the first place via Klaw and Beyonder technology). Also, if your erroneous claim that Galactus tech can absorb the Beyonder's power was true, then why didn't Galactus or the LT or MM do the same? You have 2 choices 1. It was complete PIS. 2. The Beyonder let it happen (which is the case).

Because Galactus was going to, but Doom stole his powers before he did. 😐

Neither LT, or MM have Galactus's tech, and I've never seen LT ever use tech to my recollection...

So, I can only choose of those options? Seems pretty bias to me, and too much so, that I'm going to choose an alternative. 🙂

Unless I see where Beyonder said he let him steal his power... then well, it's irrelevant to me. 🙂

Originally posted by Bransolute
The breastplate did nothing, except serve as a concealment. Galactus's tech did everything though. Otherwise, Doom would have been examined some more. 🙂

Because Galactus was going to, but Doom stole his powers before he did. 😐

Neither LT, or MM have Galactus's tech, and I've never seen LT ever use tech to my recollection...

So, I can only choose of those options? Seems pretty bias to me, and too much so, that I'm going to choose an alternative. 🙂

Unless I see where Beyonder said he let him steal his power... then well, it's irrelevant to me. 🙂