Question: Can ANYONE beat Classic Beyonder?

Originally posted by Air Legend
Lol so Galactus's tech is greater than LT. Good job dude. By the way, the breast plate was not just concealing it how do you think he stole the power from Galactus in the first place. Oh wait you posted it so you should know. Anyways, it's pretty obvious that you've stumbled on one of your smart ass remarks and now you're trying to defend it. lol

Um... what?
The breastplate had nothing to do with absorbing Beyonder's power. It had to do with concealing/holding the tech though. It's also in Doom's nature to put tech into his armor.
Also, where was it stated that the breastplate had to do with absorbing Galactus's power? Far as I know, it was the machine that Doom built that did that...

Also, if you're going to be an arrogant prick against me, then I'll play that game as well.

LOL, you have nothing, you have no proof. And you've been proven wrong, so now you're resulting to baseless claims to try and show me that you were never wrong. However, it's not working. Let's see what random shit you pull out of your ass this time. 🙂

Originally posted by Bransolute
Going by your logic... I guess it is...
Also, LT never fought Beyonder, so we have no idea how he would fare... and I've never saw LT try to absorb someone...
We just know LT didn't take action against him, and Beyonder was above him.
What you fail to realize though, is that you don't have to be above someone to beat someone who can't beat them.
That's ABC logic. And saying that LT never tried it, means absolutely shit all. SHIT ALL. 🙂

Originally posted by Bransolute
Um... what?
The breastplate had nothing to do with absorbing Beyonder's power. It had to do with concealing/holding the tech though. It's also in Doom's nature to put tech into his armor.
Also, where was it stated that the breastplate had to do with absorbing Galactus's power? Far as I know, it was the machine that Doom built that did that...

Originally posted by Bransolute
Also, if you're going to be an arrogant prick against me, then I'll play that game as well.

LOL, you have nothing, you have no proof. And you've been proven wrong, so now you're resulting to baseless claims to try and show me that you were never wrong. However, it's not working. Let's see what random shit you pull out of your ass this time. 🙂

Originally posted by Air Legend
If a writer states that the Beyonder is millions of times more powerful than the rest of the entire multiverse (which includes LT and MM), then that is what the Beyonder is. The funny thing is the LT along with the cosmic hierarchy did try to attack the Beyonder. I'm not gonna post it because I find it hilarious how nvr doesn't know what the hell I'm talking about and neither do you. 🙂

So you're not going to post it?
Fine then, give me an issue number, and I'll get back to you. 🙂 I said I didn't pay attention to Secret Wars II (I basically skimmed through it), but you intrigue me. However, I'd like to start with your instance, if you would be so kind. 🙂

Originally posted by Air Legend
Yes, and then he used the same tech within the breastplate, instead of the machine, plus some help of Galactus' tech to do the same to the Beyonder.

OK, let's break it down slowly, since you're going to need some help here. 🙂

-Doom dissects Klaw to go and steal Galactus's power when Galactus starts absorbing his World Ship (which he turned into energy, and planned to do the same thing Doom did).

-Doom has apparently built a machine to help him transfer the massive energy Klaw holds.

-The machine transfers it to Doom.

-Doom then takes Galactus's tech that he intended to use, and places it in his breastplate.

-Doom when he gets close enough, dispatches the breastplate (with Galactus's tech in it) to absorb Beyonder's power.

Therefore, Doom only needed the machine to absorb transfer Galactus's power to his own. The machine is thus rendered irrelevant to the rest of the story.
Without the machine, Galactus would have absorbed Worldship, the sun, Battleworld, and then faced the Beyonder, and absorbed his power when he got close (I believe Doom saw this on his computer or something, but I'd have to double check).

Therefore, the breastplate was only used to conceal/hold Galactus's tech.

If you'd like more insight, Secret Wars I is a great read. 12 issues of pure awesome. It's full of action, and even a hint of romance. It also shows Doom being the genius he is. I'd give it a 4-5 out of 5. I recommend reading it. 🙂

Although, I can't recommend a book you seem to think you know so much about, can I?
I bet you've read it 20-100 times, and I'm just 'refreshing' your memory.

You must have just forgotten everything, since you seem to know nothing about the series. That can't be right though. Because you seem to think you know so much...

Originally posted by Air Legend
Lol you have no proof to prove yourself right. If it was stated in the comics that only Galactus' tech was used to steal the Beyonders power, then you would be right. However, it states with the help of some of Galactus' tech meaning he used some of the tech he used to steal Galactus' power.

Doom used Galactus's tech to absorb Beyonder's power, not his own.

🙂

Thanos with the heart most certainly beats classic beyonder.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos with the heart most certainly beats classic beyonder.

If I had to add the pre-retcon cats:

1. Toaa/god
2. THOTI/& (Imopossible Man when written that way)
3. Beyonder (pre)
4. Molecule Man (pre)
5. Living Tribunal - (Scathan & Protege from GOTG #50)

6. Alien Entity

7. (this right here is hazy - in No particular order)

HOM Wanda
BeyonderS
IG
Edifice Rex

8. (this right here is hazy - in No particular order)

Jamie
Jaspers
Merlyn
Havok/Nexus (potential)
Meggan (potential)
Brian w/Sword of Right (Excalibur) & Amulet of Right
Vangaard
...............................................................

And that's it for now,
I'll be making a full blown list in my thread soon,
with a scan of a note worthy feat to accompany the character.

Anywho yall, this is all imo, so peace and love. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
If I had to add the pre-retcon cats:

1. Toaa/god
2. THOTI/& (Imopossible Man when written that way)
3. Beyonder (pre)
4. Molecule Man (pre)
5. Living Tribunal - (Scathan & Protege from GOTG #50)

6. Alien Entity

7. (this right here is hazy - in No particular order)

HOM Wanda
BeyonderS
IG
Edifice Rex

8. (this right here is hazy - in No particular order)

Jamie
Jaspers
Merlyn
Havok/Nexus (potential)
Meggan (potential)
Brian w/Sword of Right (Excalibur) & Amulet of Right
Vangaard
...............................................................

And that's it for now,
I'll be making a full blown list in my thread soon,
with a scan of a note worthy feat to accompany the character.

Anywho yall, this is all imo, so peace and love. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
If I had to add the pre-retcon cats:

1. Toaa/god
2. THOTI/& (Imopossible Man when written that way)
3. Beyonder (pre)
4. Molecule Man (pre)
5. Living Tribunal - (Scathan & Protege from GOTG #50)

6. Alien Entity

7. (this right here is hazy - in No particular order)

HOM Wanda
BeyonderS
IG
Edifice Rex

8. (this right here is hazy - in No particular order)

Jamie
Jaspers
Merlyn
Havok/Nexus (potential)
Meggan (potential)
Brian w/Sword of Right (Excalibur) & Amulet of Right
Vangaard
...............................................................

And that's it for now,
I'll be making a full blown list in my thread soon,
with a scan of a note worthy feat to accompany the character.

Anywho yall, this is all imo, so peace and love. 🙂

How can Pre MM Or Pre Beyonder Be above the LT when The LT has NEVER been retconeed. He has ALWAYS been 2nd only to God.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
How can Pre MM Or Pre Beyonder Be above the LT when The LT has NEVER been retconeed. He has ALWAYS been 2nd only to God.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Did you not read secret wars or even look at any of the scans anyone posted. The beyonder used to be above the lt. Come on nver you can do better than this.

Um you can do better than saying the beyonder used to be above the LT when he NEVER fought the LT. Also, there is nothing that the beyonder did that the Current LT cannot shit on.

Originally posted by Bransolute
That's nice. 🙂
You missed my point though.

So you're not going to post it?
Fine then, give me an issue number, and I'll get back to you. 🙂 I said I didn't pay attention to Secret Wars II (I basically skimmed through it), but you intrigue me. However, I'd like to start with your instance, if you would be so kind. 🙂

I'll PM it to you if you want because I don't want nvr to babble and rather leave him in a state of confusion. 🙂

Originally posted by Bransolute
Do you even know what you're talking about?

OK, let's break it down slowly, since you're going to need some help here. 🙂

-Doom dissects Klaw to go and steal Galactus's power when Galactus starts absorbing his World Ship (which he turned into energy, and planned to do the same thing Doom did).

-Doom has apparently built a machine to help him transfer the massive energy Klaw holds.

-The machine transfers it to Doom. [/B]

OK so far this is pretty much true. He uses Klaw to draw the energy towards Doombase and then uses the machine to absorb the energy that was coming.

Originally posted by Bransolute
-Doom then takes Galactus's tech that he intended to use, and places it in his breastplate.

"A few simple adjustments, based upon that data"
So what was he adjusting according to you? His brain. It's pretty obvious he was adjusting the equipment he used to steal Galactus' power and then he"borrowed some technology" from Galactus to aid him in stealing the Beyonder's power.

Originally posted by Bransolute
-Doom when he gets close enough, dispatches the breastplate (with Galactus's tech in it) to absorb Beyonder's power.

Nothing of the sort happened. Doom was knocked out. When he wakes up the Beyonder has already been dissecting him (taken the armor apart) and been looking into his mind. The breastplate hovers near and the Beyonder is close at hand. Doom feebly reaches out with his arm and then it ends. Pretty much the Beyonder let his guard up and got too close to the plate.
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Originally posted by Bransolute
Therefore, Doom only needed the machine to absorb transfer Galactus's power to his own. The machine is thus rendered irrelevant to the rest of the story.

Without the machine, Galactus would have absorbed Worldship, the sun, Battleworld, and then faced the Beyonder, and absorbed his power when he got close (I believe Doom saw this on his computer or something, but I'd have to double check).
Therefore, the breastplate was only used to conceal/hold Galactus's tech.

Originally posted by Bransolute
If you'd like more insight, Secret Wars I is a great read. 12 issues of pure awesome. It's full of action, and even a hint of romance. It also shows Doom being the genius he is. I'd give it a 4-5 out of 5. I recommend reading it. 🙂

Although, I can't recommend a book you seem to think you know so much about, can I?
I bet you've read it 20-100 times, and I'm just 'refreshing' your memory.

You must have just forgotten everything, since you seem to know nothing about the series. That can't be right though. Because you seem to think you know so much...

I've providing proof to prove all my points that needed proving. 😐 You've stated things that never happened, and you speculated on things... hugely.

Doom used Galactus's tech to absorb Beyonder's power, not his own.

🙂

Originally posted by Astner
Just one thing. You place the 'avatar' of the writers above the Heart, shouldn't they be equal?
I mean they as well only represent the power of the writers, the writers themselves cannot be in a comic.

The Writers/Artists themselves are represented by Toaa/god.
(the true creators of the Marvel Omniverse)
Sometimes they appear as other Avatars with senseless reality in their manifestation.

THOTI was a manifestation of Toaa/god's Power withIN the Omniverse they draw into existence.

Classic Beyonder was the most powerful being ever to exist in the Marvel Universe,
as a character.

And then the Molecule Man.

But the cat that thought up and drew the Beyonder was Toaa/god,
and THOTI is a manifestation of Toaa/god's power withIN Reality in comics.
.......

THOTI made Thanos everything in the Omniverse,
Beyonder was either everything Outisde the prime Multiverse,
or he was everything Inside the Multiverse,
but he was never both simultaneously ... while the THOTI was.

I really don't consider Artist/Writer Avatars and THOTI
because that to me is beyond categorization, especially in the company of others.

The hierarchy to me, should start from LT down,
cause anything above that is on a level where scales are pointless.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
How can Pre MM Or Pre Beyonder Be above the LT when The LT has NEVER been retconeed. He has ALWAYS been 2nd only to God.

No doubt in status,
but obviously Toaa/god wanted an anomaly of power to enter the Marvel Universe,
and take over it, be anything and everything,
better yet, be what they (Toaa/god) would be, if they entered Marvel comics.

Cause that's what Beyonder was,
a god, a supreme being, a being that encompassed a near Omniverse.

But built with faults, and why?

To try and give the cat some meaning, some substance, some interest,
otherwise, the story is bland and over the top, which gets boring real quick.
And they had a hard time already even while keeping the Beyonder limited,
so go figure had they unleashed his full potential from the beginning.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um you can do better than saying the beyonder used to be above the LT when he NEVER fought the LT. Also, there is nothing that the beyonder did that the Current LT cannot shit on.

Beyonder. He was a conceptual power that took the form of an embodiment unlike Eternity who is just a embodiement concept.
Another conceptual power would stand a good chance. A new one like Other or Virtuality. Understand? Some people have said Phoneix but no way to her. Beyonder was above everything and everyone. The only one he really didn't contend against was TOAA. With the original Beyonder creation he could have seeing as how no one ever new he existed.

Mr. Mxy. ALL imps see DC as nothing but drawings for them to play with. Much like an artist and writer see Marvel Comics. The Kirby Avatar sees his creations just like the Imps see the DC cosmos.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Mr. Mxy. ALL imps see DC as nothing but drawings for them to play with. Much like an artist and writer see Marvel Comics. The Kirby Avatar sees his creations just like the Imps see the DC cosmos.

Originally posted by Air Legend
Yea..5d Imps are greater than the Presence. dur

The Presence hasn't been seen in DC comics that I"m aware of. All I know is that characters that are greater than imps, cannot beat him. But your insult doesn't really add anything. It is a veiled at an insult becuz you really can't refute the truth of the matter. For reference, check out the Imp saga in the grant morrison run of the jla. I believe that was it. And heaven's ladder.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Writers/Artists themselves are represented by Toaa/god.
(the true creators of the Marvel Omniverse)
Sometimes they appear as other Avatars with senseless reality in their manifestation.

THOTI was a manifestation of Toaa/god's Power withIN the Omniverse they draw into existence.

But the cat that thought up and drew the Beyonder was Toaa/god,
and THOTI is a manifestation of Toaa/god's power withIN Reality in comics.

Originally posted by Astner
How can a avatar in the comics exist outside the Omniverse in the first place, wouldn't that mean that he's outside the comics?

Just let it be.