Originally posted by Ize19
Yeah, I got that part. It just seemed unreasonable to me that you wanted to give the benefit of the doubt to MN. As I see it, you have three facts, all of which are nullified by the fact that Mr. X's nervous system automatically maps onto the signals in the body that tell the body to move. That means that his body is automatically responding to every action MN will make, so he doesn't have to comprehend those signals before taking action. As for whether or not he can get past his blockers, getting past Black Widow's, and especially Wolverine's defenses is definitely a better feat than blocking Jackson King, whom you called a "mid-level telepath." Seems to me, if he's got that going for him, then his superior fighting ability and equal speed give him the majority. IMO, of course.
He maps onto "motorfunction precursors" (the comic's words, not mine). Those would be synaptic impulses. As in, the mind. He's not mapping his predictive ability onto the muscles themselves, as your post seems to suggest. So again, his nervous system would need to predict mechanical signals moving at millions of thoughts per second. Even if we do give his the benefit of the doubt and say he gets past MNer's telepathic blocks, that's far beyond anything he's done thus far.
Though the better question might be, would their powers cancel each other out? MNer knows what you're going to do before you do it as well. Let's give X the benefit of the doubt and say he's predicting Mner. What's to stop MNer from predicting him as well? Seems like we would have canceling predictive abilities, at which point it would come down to skill. Both are skilled and somewhat metahuman. I'd go with "who knows" at that point.
Originally posted by Digi
He maps onto "motorfunction precursors" (the comic's words, not mine). Those would be synaptic impulses. As in, the mind. He's not mapping his predictive ability onto the muscles themselves, as your post seems to suggest. So again, his nervous system would need to predict mechanical signals moving at millions of thoughts per second. Even if we do give his the benefit of the doubt and say he gets past MNer's telepathic blocks, that's far beyond anything he's done thus far.Though the better question might be, would their powers cancel each other out? MNer knows what you're going to do before you do it as well. Let's give X the benefit of the doubt and say he's predicting Mner. What's to stop MNer from predicting him as well? Seems like we would have canceling predictive abilities, at which point it would come down to skill. Both are skilled and somewhat metahuman. I'd go with "who knows" at that point.
No, I'm not suggesting that it maps onto his muscles, otherwise MN's psychic blockers wouldn't even come into play. Last I checked, MN doesn't make millions of body adjustments every second, so I fail to see how his ability to see millions of scenarios every second helps him avoid X's ability to read his next move.
If MN's ability does cancel out Mr. X's, which I doubt, then that gives X the advantage. MN might be skilled, but when has he ever punked the equivalent of Taskmaster, or shown skills equal to Wolverine? Something tells me having battle computers in his head isn't quite a match for finding martial arts masters around the world, learning everything from them, then killing them. Because Mr. X doesn't have a lot of appearances, it is ambiguous, but I'd go with him more often than not.
Originally posted by Ize19
...or shown skills equal to Wolverine?
Heh.
I've made my case, and don't feel like making it over and over again in a fruitless discussion. Agree to disagree and whatnot. It's a forum battle with too little evidence to prove one or the other, but only to make educated guesses. The info is now out there for others to form their own opinions.
Digi just displayed unparalleled selfrestraint.
In fights like these I assume both powers would in a way cancel or match eachother, which seems to be the most fair. When so little evidence is provided it's only reasonable to assume that neither side gets a particular advantage. Which is naturally where certain posts will show up with their unbridled bias and rage.
With both "predict-a-bilities" gone, Midnighter is clearly superior.
Originally posted by Digi
Heh.I've made my case, and don't feel like making it over and over again in a fruitless discussion. Agree to disagree and whatnot. It's a forum battle with too little evidence to prove one or the other, but only to make educated guesses. The info is now out there for others to form their own opinions.
But didn't you also make the case that Midnighter was unaffected when Seth broke his neck? 😈
And for the record, would you be so kind to show where Midnighter has said he is now immune to telepathy, and had that statement confirmed by a psychic?
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Digi just displayed unparalleled selfrestraint.In fights like these I assume both powers would in a way cancel or match eachother, which seems to be the most fair. When so little evidence is provided it's only reasonable to assume that neither side gets a particular advantage. Which is naturally where certain posts will show up with their unbridled bias and rage.
With both "predict-a-bilities" gone, Midnighter is clearly superior.
Mr. X knows what you are going to do. Midnighter knows what you might do.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Then explain how he did not know what angry Wolverine was going to do.
If you had read the comic you'd know that it only gave Wolverine a temporary advantage because it caught X off guard and by Wolverine's own admittance it wouldn't work a second time.
And FYI Wolverine's berserker rage is more than an "angry" Wolverine.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If you had read the comic you'd know that it only gave Wolverine a temporary advantage because it caught X off guard and by Wolverine's own admittance it wouldn't work a second time.
Then why did it work in the bloodsport tournament? It's worked twice 😐
The **** are you trying here? Claiming I haven't read THE incident, when they fought twice and it worked both times. You don't have to be a certified member of the Wolverine-fellatio club to read his comics.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Yeah.How was it a one-trick pony when it had worked once before? I'm curious.
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And queue Blok.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Berserker Wolverine is a beast, he better in every aspect when Berserker acting like X getting beat by wolverine in Berserker equates to Midnighter being able to beat him is quite funny
I wonder of what relevance this is, when Srank claimed that Wolverine's berserker thing was A ONE-TRICK PONY. When it had worked twice.
According to Mr. X it didn't work the first time, he claims he was just about to win before Blok interrupted. Bravado? Maybe, but his narrative seems to suggest he was still reading Wolverine's mind during his first encounter with a Berserker Wolverine, which is further supported by Wolverine's statement that it was a one trick pony.
What happened is that Wolverine briefly caught X off guard, by falling into a Berserker rage in the midst of the battle, changing the flow of combat. He capitalized on the brief confusion before X could adjust from fighting the man who plans 5 moves ahead, and the Berserker who is pure instinct. If given the opportunity X would have fallen into the rhythm with Berserk Wolverine just fine (something he had previously shown himself capable of), and was apparently starting to do even in that fight based on the narrative, it was just too late.
There is no indication that X couldn't read Berserker Wolverine, the information that we have suggest that he could. He was just caught off guard, when Wolverine suddenly became significantly stronger, faster and completely changed his fighting style.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
So your claim is that because Wolverine's fighting style change, Mr.X was somehow magically not able to keep up? I'm also curious as to WHEN he fell into the rhythm of berserker Wolverine? When he was 2 seconds away from death?
Wolverine's Berserker rage is the equivalent of days combat compressed into minutes. The pace of Wolverine in a Berserker Wolverine, and the pace of normal Wolverine aren't even remotely similar, they are two completely different beasts.
