Originally posted by Battlehammer
People keep forgetting that Berserker Wolverine stats increases, that a huge change for some one when a fighter gets much faster, stronger better in every way, that not some slight change in a fight by any means.
Yeah, Wolverine doesn't hate his Berserker Rage because it makes him sloppy, he hates because it makes him too good. He is the perfect killing machine in a Berserker Rage, killing is more than second nature to him it is first nature and he does it with out compulsion... and he loves it... which intern makes him sick when he is normal again.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
But didn't you also make the case that Midnighter was unaffected when Seth broke his neck? 😈And for the record, would you be so kind to show where Midnighter has said he is now immune to telepathy, and had that statement confirmed by a psychic?
Seth snaps his neck - http://static.flickr.com/44/128771490_e76a528586_o.jpg
He plays dead, then takes the girl, and Seth is like WTF??? - http://static.flickr.com/44/128771490_e76a528586_o.jpg
Has his abilities turned off - http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9818/n29xl7.jpg
King unable to affect his implants, so he directly affected his mind, something X can't do. In the same scan, Midnighter directly states his implants are tamper proof. - http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5548/n24kh8.jpg
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Yeah, Wolverine doesn't hate his Berserker Rage because it makes him sloppy, he hates because it makes him too good. He is the perfect killing machine in a Berserker Rage, killing is more than second nature to him it is first nature and he does it with out compulsion... and he loves it... which intern makes him sick when he is normal again.
He also fear's he might do something he regrets, because when he fully let loses everyone becomes a foe or more or less a victim.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine's Berserker rage is the equivalent of days combat compressed into minutes. The pace of Wolverine in a Berserker Wolverine, and the pace of normal Wolverine aren't even remotely similar, they are two completely different beasts.
There are just so many conflicting claims here.
First he automatiaclly maps on to their synapses, which means that fighting style doesn't matter jack. Then he's reading their muscles. Then, when Wolverine stops planning what he is going to do, Mr.X cannot cope. Which means that he is clearly reading Wolverine's mind.
These cannot work together. He cannot automatically "map on their brain synapses" and instinctively counter them. Because if he did this, then it would not matter how Wolverine fought. It would not matter if Wolverine planned one million moves ahead or none, because regardless of what he did, Mr.X would be able to counter it instantly. Berserker, regular, it does not matter. Fighting style does not matter, because it's muscular movement he's predicting. It cannot be the change in Wolverine's speed, because he just went from blocking physical attacks, to deflecting bullets. The increase in speed happened in a split second, much faster and greater than Wolverine's increase in speed. So clearly, it's not a speed issue.
This cannot be the case. Wolverine clearly states that it happens via telepathy. There is no debating how this functions, this is a fact. It happens via telepathy. When Wolverine thinks about his actions, then Mr.X has him. You said this just now, Wolverine said it.
Now how is this going to work on Midnighter? Because the first, that's what Midnighter does. One step the left, and there are a million scenarios running through his mind. This makes him capable of predicting whatever happens. Regardless of how many steps ahead his opponent plans, Midnighter will counter it. He does not think steps ahead, he thinks millions of scenarios and outcomes. There is no way Mr.X can cope with this. There is no reason to believe that his mind is on par with a super computer, because it has never shown to be. Mr.X would have a million in a one shot of predicting what Midnighter would do. IF HE COULD PREDICT WHAT MIDNIGHTER DOES.
The end.
Originally posted by KingD19
Seth snaps his neck - http://static.flickr.com/44/128771490_e76a528586_o.jpgHe plays dead, then takes the girl, and Seth is like WTF??? - http://static.flickr.com/44/128771490_e76a528586_o.jpg
Has his abilities turned off - http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9818/n29xl7.jpg
King unable to affect his implants, so he directly affected his mind, something X can't do. In the same scan, Midnighter directly states his implants are tamper proof. - http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5548/n24kh8.jpg
Or - you know - he was dead, and he healed. There is no indication that he is "playing dead"
We all know that he made his implants allegedly tamper proof, but X isn't going to be messing with his implants so that is irrelevant, he is going to be reading his mind (something that has nothing to do with his implants), which Digi says he will be unable to do.
Originally posted by KingD19
Seth snaps his neck - http://static.flickr.com/44/128771490_e76a528586_o.jpgHe plays dead, then takes the girl, and Seth is like WTF??? - http://static.flickr.com/44/128771490_e76a528586_o.jpg
Has his abilities turned off - http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9818/n29xl7.jpg
King unable to affect his implants, so he directly affected his mind, something X can't do. In the same scan, Midnighter directly states his implants are tamper proof. - http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5548/n24kh8.jpg
yea and when it got turned off he got stomped.
Mister X power dirrectly connected to the brain, he not trying to effect the implants. in no way does that counter X powers working infact in suggest his powers would work fine.
Here's the neck snapping thing, the 2nd scan - http://img514.imageshack.us/i/seth2ci9.jpg/
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
There are just so many conflicting claims here.First he automatiaclly maps on to their synapses, which means that fighting style doesn't matter jack. Then he's reading their muscles. Then, when Wolverine stops planning what he is going to do, Mr.X cannot cope. Which means that he is clearly reading Wolverine's mind.
These cannot work together. He cannot automatically "map on their brain synapses" and instinctively counter them. Because if he did this, then it would not matter how Wolverine fought. It would not matter if Wolverine planned one million moves ahead or none, because regardless of what he did, Mr.X would be able to counter it instantly. Berserker, regular, it does not matter. Fighting style does not matter, because it's muscular movement he's predicting. It cannot be the change in Wolverine's speed, because he just went from blocking physical attacks, to deflecting bullets. The increase in speed happened in a split second, much faster and greater than Wolverine's increase in speed. So clearly, it's not a speed issue.
This cannot be the case. Wolverine clearly states that it happens via telepathy. There is no debating how this functions, this is a fact. It happens via telepathy. When Wolverine thinks about his actions, then Mr.X has him. You said this just now, Wolverine said it.
Now how is this going to work on Midnighter? Because the first, that's what Midnighter does. One step the left, and there are a million scenarios running through his mind. This makes him capable of predicting whatever happens. Regardless of how many steps ahead his opponent plans, Midnighter will counter it. He does not think steps ahead, he thinks millions of scenarios and outcomes. There is no way Mr.X can cope with this. There is no reason to believe that his mind is on par with a super computer, because it has never shown to be. Mr.X would have a million in a one shot of predicting what Midnighter would do. IF HE COULD PREDICT WHAT MIDNIGHTER DOES.
The end.
I think you are confusing Mr. X's abilities.
1: He has low level telepathy that allows him to read his opponents mind.
2. He can map to neural motor-function precursors.
3. Some sort of low level empathy that gets him high when he kills people.
Those are three separate but similar abilities, not all one power.
And once again. Mr. X doesn't need to process the million of scenarios running through Midnighter's head, because none of them matter. His body is getting information on what Midnighter's next move is going to be, Midnighter is getting a bunch of information on what X might do next. Do you not see the difference? It's pretty clear.
Originally posted by KingD19
The scans actually prove that, though he can read his mind, he can't keep up with the speed of his body or mind. You honestly think that X's body can keep up with Midnighter?? Reacting to synapses or not, X isn't fast enough to keep up with him, that's a fact.
He been able to keep up with every single person he foughten, such as Wolverine who Midnighter is certainly not faster then.
Originally posted by KingD19
The scans actually prove that, though he can read his mind, he can't keep up with the speed of his body or mind. You honestly think that X's body can keep up with Midnighter?? Reacting to synapses or not, X isn't fast enough to keep up with him, that's a fact.
Based on what? X was able to keep up with Wolverine (who is faster than Midnighter), and was shown to be significantly faster than Taskmaster.
Midnighter isn't faster than Wolverine?
Midnighter has blocked automatic machinegun fire with his staff.
He kicked a tank shell into another tank.
He took down a guy who could move faster than most people could think, Impetus.
He's dodged close range eye beams from Apollo.
He took down a superhuman with a hostage, and grabbed the kid before the guy hit the ground.
Captain Atom himself said he never saw anyone supposedly without powers move that fast.
He's also taken down a group of people before the 1st person he hit the ground.
He's fast, more than fast enough to handle X.
Originally posted by KingD19
Midnighter isn't faster than Wolverine?Midnighter has blocked automatic machinegun fire with his staff.
He kicked a tank shell into another tank.
He took down a guy who could move faster than most people could think, Impetus.
He's dodged close range eye beams from Apollo.
He took down a superhuman with a hostage, and grabbed the kid before the guy hit the ground.
Captain Atom himself said he never saw anyone supposedly without powers move that fast.
He's also taken down a group of people before the 1st person he hit the ground.He's fast, more than fast enough to handle X.
Yeah... which part of that do you think makes him faster than Wolverine? 🙄
Originally posted by KingD19
Midnighter isn't faster than Wolverine?Midnighter has blocked automatic machinegun fire with his staff.
He kicked a tank shell into another tank.
He took down a guy who could move faster than most people could think, Impetus.
He's dodged close range eye beams from Apollo.
He took down a superhuman with a hostage, and grabbed the kid before the guy hit the ground.
Captain Atom himself said he never saw anyone supposedly without powers move that fast.
He's also taken down a group of people before the 1st person he hit the ground.He's fast, more than fast enough to handle X.
feat midnighter never been able to repeat and was way beyond his strength level.
wolverine moved so fast people could not see him, and moved so fast while fighting plyocke mind could not keep up.
wolverine do the same.
to bad wolverine has inhuman physical prowesses.
wolverine taken out multiple people all of which died before they new what was happening.
No he not. He not faster then wolverine and X had no trouble keeping up with wolverine.
hell midnighter bullet reflection feat aint nearly as impressive as the scans I showed of X doing it.
Actually, his bullet feat is more impressive, X blocked shots from Black Widow, with hand guns. X blocked automatic fire from a tank turret.
And Midnighter could have just as easily blocked Apollo's lasers instead of dodging them, but it helped him out by hitting someone else.
As for strength, did I mention Midnighter whooped Apollo's ass, and Winter, a guy who was basically a sun.
Midnighter routinely moves so fast people can't see him, Wolverine has been hit by street levelers, something that hasn't happened to Midnighter.
Midnighter's done the same thing, taken down, or killed large groups of people within seconds.
And I think he's faster than Wolverine because of his stated abilitiy to move so fast he dissapears from sight, even against speedsters.
Originally posted by KingD19
Actually, his bullet feat is more impressive, X blocked shots from Black Widow, with hand guns. X blocked automatic fire from a tank turret.And Midnighter could have just as easily blocked Apollo's lasers instead of dodging them, but it helped him out by hitting someone else.
As for strength, did I mention Midnighter whooped Apollo's ass, and Winter, a guy who was basically a sun.
Midnighter routinely moves so fast people can't see him, Wolverine has been hit by street levelers, something that hasn't happened to Midnighter.
Midnighter's done the same thing, taken down, or killed large groups of people within seconds.
and yet he never did it, so it all speculation on your part.
yea and? capt , wolverine ect have all done the same does not mean they can block a cannon firer would be usable evidences.
lets see midnighter moving to fast for people to see him, wolverine done so numerous times.
Midnighter has no superior feats and yet you assume he faster wonderful.
Originally posted by KingD19
Actually, his bullet feat is more impressive, X blocked shots from Black Widow, with hand guns. X blocked automatic fire from a tank turret.
He blocked a single bullet from a mounted machine gun. ZOMG F@CKING GAWD MIDNIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHTER IS 2L2Q!!!! Seriously, get off his balls dude, X's feat is way more impressive. X blocked a barrage of bullets from two hand guns at close range by an actually competent superhero.
Midnighter's best strength feat is hitting a dude with a fridge. Impetus ran into Midnighter's collapse staff when he exteded as the dude was running by. The random Gamora fodder he blitzed never displayed anything other than flight speed.
Taking down a guy with high speed flight, super strength, and super speed before he even knew he moved - http://img372.imageshack.us/i/m8ah7.jpg/
Taking down Impetus, a speedster who should have seen him - http://img253.imageshack.us/i/n9po1.jpg/
He dodges multiple laser and super energy fire from close range, while taking down just about everyone in the group only so he could get them in position to be fire upon by the carrier. Then he cuts the last ones eyes off with his staff.
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