Originally posted by Devil King
No terrorism in Christianity.Brainwashing
No terrorism in Judaism.
Brainwashing
No terrorism in religion.
Brainwashing
Bottom line: All religion is brainwashing.
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Whilst literally true, it obscures the issue.
Whilst most certainly not all Muslims are terrorists, it is inescapable that most terrorists are Muslim.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Whilst literally true, it obscures the issue.Whilst most certainly not all Muslims are terrorists, it is inescapable that most terrorists are Muslim.
One man's martyr is another mans suicide bomber.
My issue with the idea that most terrorists are Muslim, rests with the fact that one side of the divide is defining the term Terrorist.
And I would find it highly unreasonable to define it any other way.
Sometimes you are not wrong just because you are the majority. By any useful and meaningful definition of the word, most terrorists are Muslim. I think if you don't agree with that you are getting rather uselessly into pointless semantics.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
And I would find it highly unreasonable to define it any other way.Sometimes you are not wrong just because you are the majority. By any useful and meaningful definition of the word, most terrorisms are Muslim. I think if you don't agree with that you are getting rather uselessly into pointless semantics.
No one is addressing the existence of terrorists. I don't think they're not terrorists, just because the majority of the western world agrees with the governments of the US and England.
I simply think it's a fake argument to broadly dismiss the reasons behind an individuals reason for strapping on a bomb and walking into an airport. Much less the reasons behind our invovlment in their part of teh world.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
I don't see where that is at all relevant to what I said. Whatever the motivation it falls under the use of the word 'terrorist'.
what you said is that most terrorists are muslim. I disagree. I think there are terrorists on all sides of the equation. I take exception to teh fact that their methods are called terrorism because it involves AK-47s and suicide bombers. But Jewish terrorism or American/English imperialism are called politics.
Well, I think when just rationally applying the definition of terrorism (though in a way hard to grasp) to certain actions, the actions of Islamic "warriors" would far outweigh those of western countries or those of any other religion.
Now, what I agree with (and think Capt is trying to say) is that terrorism as such is not necessarily defined as evil, many tools that the US and Israel use could easily be considered worse. And though terrorism has a very negative meaning nowadays (in part certainly for good reasons) we should judge in a case to case basis and realize that terrorism might very well be a justifiable tool for the otherwise helpless.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Now, what I agree with (and think Capt is trying to say) is that terrorism as such is not necessarily defined as evil, many tools that the US and Israel use could easily be considered worse. And though terrorism has a very negative meaning nowadays (in part certainly for good reasons) we should judge in a case to case basis and realize that terrorism might very well be a justifiable tool for the otherwise helpless.
yes.
Originally posted by Devil King
yes.
How do you justify others "brain washing" people to commit murder/killing and suicide?
That's one of my main problems with the religious aspect of Islamic terrorism, the religious heads don't practice what they preach... why don't they go kill themselves and others to reach heaven and earn their virgin reward?
Originally posted by Robtard
How do you justify others "brain washing" people to commit murder/killing and suicide?That's one of my main problems with the religious aspect of Islamic terrorism, the religious heads don't practice what they preach... why don't they go kill themselves and others to reach heaven and earn their virgin reward?
Because they read the one secret gospel of every religion. The one that Frank Zappa (the greatest prophet of our time) laid open to the public:
"WE'RE ONLY IN IT FOR THE MONEY"
Originally posted by Robtard
If so, it backfired on them, America is involved more than ever in the middle east now.
I don't really think it backfired. Dying for the cause of killing as many Shytans (Americans and their allies) as possible is becoming a marthyr, which is greatest achievement.
I feel America has always been greatly involved in the Middle East.
The difference now is that more American blood is running than ever overthere.
And Ummah is stronger than Christians. They will support each other regardless of how extreme it might get.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I don't really think it backfired. Dying for the cause of killing as many Shytans (Americans and their allies) as possible is becoming a marthyr, which is greatest achievement.I feel America has always been greatly involved in the Middle East.
The difference now is that more American blood is running than ever overthere.And Ummah is stronger than Christians. They will support each other regardless of how extreme it might get.
My point(s) stands... it wasn't the leaders who flew the planes into the towers, it was the lackeys, so no marthyar status for them.
If their goal was to scare America out of the middle east, it backfired greatly.
If their goal was just to kill a few (innocent) thousand people, then a win for them, I guess.
Originally posted by Robtard
My point(s) stands... it wasn't the leaders who flew the planes into the towers, it was the lackeys, so no marthyar status for them.If their goal was to scare America out of the middle east, it backfired greatly.
If their goal was just to kill a few (innocent) thousand people, then a win for them, I guess.
Imam's status, by devoting himself to Allah and Islam is already elevated
But you're right, they don't have the Martyr status.
Marthyrs are those who flew the plane, those who bombed Madrid, who killed Theo van Gogh, who call upon Death to America and their allies, those who bomb embassies and blow themselves up in attempt to kill as many kuffars as possible...
I don't argue it prompted America to go with force to Middle East (which it has), but I do believe that their ideology goes beyond caring for their lives.
Which is what makes it altogether more dangerous.
Originally posted by Robtard
How do you justify others "brain washing" people to commit murder/killing and suicide?That's one of my main problems with the religious aspect of Islamic terrorism, the religious heads don't practice what they preach... why don't they go kill themselves and others to reach heaven and earn their virgin reward?
I don't justify.
The difference between pushing a button a blowing up a small town in Iraq and strapping on a vest bomb and walking into an Israeli grocery store are huge...except in intent.
Why don't they do it? Likely for teh same REason George W doesn't pick up a gun and helmet. Besides, their followers likely wouldn't want them to.