If they can't adapt, they're not good enough, it's that simple.well sometimes kick and run/ longball really works, ball handling teams hate to meet that kind of football teams cause it really breaks their stride/style, rip them appart. And kick and run teams can be vicious on turnovers and specialist on "dead ball starts" (corners, free kicks, throw ins....)
Originally posted by Bicnarok
Richards is awesome, and so young.I just read that Israel could be fielding a younger team, and Liverpools midfielder Yossi Benayoun won´t be playing due to Injury.
And an (Russian) Israeli coach would like Russia to qualify according to this article, it aint looking good.
http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/european/article3157748.ece
Yeah. Their own fault for ending up needing to rely on results, though.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
I don't really know what I want to happen. I do want to be able to watch and support England, but also I think it could be beneficial for us not to make it through. People need to stop seeing the England team through rose tinted glasses whenever it suits them, we really have pretty much used up every scape goat so far.
I couldn't give a **** about watching England; overhyped boring crap. Do want them to qualify though, because I know if they don't the coverage will be on Channel 5 at 01.30 in the morning.
Originally posted by anaconda
England is facing very much the same problem as Spain has done for decades, many of the main players in the aint domestic ones and in the end it hurt the national teams
They didn't have many foreigners from the period 1966 until '95 or so. Won **** all in that time. Most consistent period has been post-'94 to the present. Conveniently, that they don't win things is now the foreigners' fault, for being too good (spot the humour in that.)
Secondly, France and Brazil both won the World Cup with more or less their entire team playing abroad. Where are the English players abroad?
No I doubt it, Israel will play their hearts out mainly due to the faxt that the match is being broadcast on english TV. if we got a chance to play on national TV i'm sure I would play my heart out to maybe impress SOMEONE.
England won't beat croatia, they have THAT excuse at the ready when they do lose on wednesday, it wont mean anything will it because israel will see russia off
Israel are maggic at home I hear, only lost to croatia in qualifiers?
Discos - Home nations tournament may return if neither UK team make it through.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Yeah. Their own fault for ending up needing to rely on results, though.I couldn't give a **** about watching England; overhyped boring crap. Do want them to qualify though, because I know if they don't the coverage will be on Channel 5 at 01.30 in the morning.
Good call actually, I hadn't thought about that.
Secondly, France and Brazil both won the World Cup with more or less their entire team playing abroad. Where are the English players abroad?why go abroad with all teh money there is in PL, most English that went abroad didnt have too much success, maybe Lineker
They didn't have many foreigners from the period 1966 until '95 or so. Won **** all in that timeehh what did they actually win besides the world cup in 66?
Israel are maggic at home I hear, only lost to croatia in qualifiers?yeah well besides drawing against England they faced and beat Andorra and Estonia, not exactly the greatest team in the world. I really hope they put on a great game though. I would hate to miss England in the Euro 2008, much less fun at the pubs
Originally posted by anaconda
why go abroad with all teh money there is in PL, most English that went abroad didnt have too much success, maybe Lineker
Bergkamp, Henry, Viera etc to Arsenal, Berbatov to Spurs, Ronaldo to Man U, Drogba to Chelsea, Robben to Chelsea etc. All varying levels of success that have made the P.L. the best league.
Beckham and Owen to Real Madrid? Do you see where I'm going?
English players don't do too well abroad cos they're simply not as good.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's McClaren's fault.He is a shit-ophile, he's a nonse, he's a fence vole, he's a nut administrator, he's a bent ref, he's the crazy world of Arthur Brown, he's a free willy, he's a chimney bottler, he's a bunty man, he's a shrub rocketeer. Eeeeeh.
-AC
You don´t rate him then 😮💨
English players don't do too well abroad cos they're simply not as good.or they just dont fit the style they play in the league they go to, both English players you mentioned have international qualities though and have shown that on many occasions both with RM and the English national teams
Ronaldo to Man Uhe has developed in the PL, he wasnt half as good when he came, now he is outstanding even if he plays for Man U
Bergkamp, Henry, Viera etc to Arsenal, Berbatov to Spurs, Ronaldo to Man U, Drogba to Chelsea, Robben to Chelsea etc. All varying levels of success that have made the P.L. the best league.they are part of that yes, but many British players as well contributed to that fact though
see why do we have this thread? will ENGLAND qualify, what about even Northern Ireland? see there is just too much of a high expectation with the england team for some reason. They have won the world cup on home soil once....thats about all you guys have got I'm afraid
(except that De France mini tournament they won prior to the world cup 98).
I'll tell you who was a great GREAT asset for england and played outside england and thats Gasgoine, can't believe how good he was and yet he still played in the SPL (not the best league for an england international to play in).
I have argued england's case in the world cup and the Euros and its simply because of the media....a previous post said that en gland have to be in a tournament so the euro's arnt shown in highlights on BBC4 at 1am and that.
Remember the World Cup 2002, the biggest story of the tournament was overshadowed by whether Beckham would be fit or not?....the story being Roy Keane got chucked on a flight straight outta korea/japan. Its a shame the media gives england so much hype and yet they wonder why england fans are always dissapointed and angry all the time.
It baffles me tho - england are swarming with areas of strength...i mean Terry and Ferdinand at centre back? they should be unbeatable, but teams find a way. Lampard and Gerrard should equal DYNAMITE, but no no just another media exploit to piss about.
Discos - watching england U21's recently and they seem alright, dont see any future Gerrards there tho.
Originally posted by anaconda
they are part of that yes, but many British players as well contributed to that fact though
As of right now, I don't see it.
I distinctly remember when Bergkamp came, foreigners were still somewhat new, and EVERYBODY loved it because it brought so much that English players, British players, just couldn't.
You can't take pride in the fact that this league is now the best in the world, and then moan about foreigners. They made this league the best.
-AC
As of right now, I don't see it.oh relly, so Cole, Lampard, Rooney, Ferdinan?, Terry aint part of making PL great
I distinctly remember when Bergkamp came You can't take pride in the fact that this league is now the best in the world, and then moan about foreigners. They made this league the best.who is moaning, problem with it is that it will affect the national team and obviously have, just as it has done in Spain, and the Spanish league is just as good as PL if you look at what happens on the pitch. And Bergkamp is apeewe compare to the likes of Cantona
Originally posted by anaconda
oh relly, so Cole, Lampard, Rooney, Ferdinan?, Terry aint part of making PL greatwho is moaning, problem with it is that it will affect the national team and obviously have, just as it has done in Spain, and the Spanish league is just as good as PL if you look at what happens on the pitch. And Bergkamp is apeewe compare to the likes of Cantona
Bergkamp was better than Cantona.
It doesn't affect the England team at all. Where was all the success before these foreigners came and took all the English players' jobs and houses? Don't just make a spurious point without evidence and expect to be taken seriously.
Problem with England is that the players aren't all that. The press and the idiotic xenophobe fans think the team have a divine right to win things, when the English players are technically inept. How can playing with superior players make them worse?
Rooney partnering Tevez is learning more than if he were partnering Nugent.
A league full of English players would be a massive regression; even more emphasis on 'lumping it', and chief attributes being 'drive', 'determination', 'courage', and 'getting stuck in'.
Originally posted by anaconda
oh relly, so Cole, Lampard, Rooney, Ferdinan?, Terry aint part of making PL great
Lampard was, Rooney might have been. The rest not so much. Ferdinand maybe.
Even so, hardly a boost is it? Five players. No English player has changed or contributed to the league being what it is like a foreigner has.
Originally posted by anaconda
who is moaning, problem with it is that it will affect the national team and obviously have, just as it has done in Spain, and the Spanish league is just as good as PL if you look at what happens on the pitch. And Bergkamp is apeewe compare to the likes of Cantona
As said above, it hasn't. England have won f*ck all since '66, it has nothing to do with foreigners.
England just don't produce great players of that calibre.
-AC
Even so, hardly a boost is it? Five players. No English player has changed or contributed to the league being what it is like a foreigner has.would like to see the foreign player who would be able to change it without of the aid of the domestic English/British players, great as they are they no mere than sole players who need a team to fulfill them
As said above, it hasn't. England have won f*ck all since '66, it has nothing to do with foreigners.It just that others caught up, England kind of always met the worst at the worst time, last time out in Germany it could just as well tipped Englands way as it did Portugal.....great acting on the behalf of ROnaldo sealed more or less a lot, who knows how far they could have gone.........not like the final was great, rather pathetic so was the semi finals..the teams was more afraid to lose than they were eager to win
England just don't produce great players of that calibre.just a matter of opinion, England produces a great deal of excellent defenders, world class
Originally posted by anaconda
would like to see the foreign player who would be able to change it without of the aid of the domestic English/British players, great as they are they no mere than sole players who need a team to fulfill them
Without them the league would have been stuck being just another natural progression of the lower divisions. Fact.
Originally posted by anaconda
It just that others caught up, England kind of always met the worst at the worst time, last time out in Germany it could just as well tipped Englands way as it did Portugal.....great acting on the behalf of ROnaldo sealed more or less a lot
Oh stop the bullshit, please. Rooney stamped on him.
Why does every England loss come with an excuse? They're shit. "Oh, we would have won if Rooney wasn't sent off.", he's played in many games since, many games before, still no trophies.
Originally posted by anaconda
who knows how far they could have gone.........not like the final was great, rather pathetic so was the semi finals..the teams was more afraid to lose than they were eager to win
I know how far, because they got knocked out.
It's stupid to be imaginary about this. They couldn't have gone any further because...they didn't.
Originally posted by anaconda
just a matter of opinion, England produces a great deal of excellent defenders, world class
That'd be why they haven't won anything then.
-AC
Why does every England loss come with an excuse? They're shit. "Oh, we would have won if Rooney wasn't sent off.", he's played in many games since, many games before, still no trophiesthey were reduced to 10, with 11 players the entire game the outcome might have been different, the fact that he played in many games since just aint an issue
Originally posted by anaconda
they were reduced to 10, with 11 players the entire game the outcome might have been different, the fact that he played in many games since just aint an issue
Yeah, and it might not have been. The outcome was, like it is every time, England being knocked out. What's the excuse now if they don't qualify? Rooney being injured? Give it a rest. It was Rooney's fault anyway.
It is an issue. Because if losing him was this sole turning point that everyone is so eager to use as a reason for the loss, why don't England win every game he plays?
You're just like the rest, can't accept that they're shit, and it's because of that attitude that they'll never get better.
-AC