Phoenix vs. Galactus

Originally posted by xjustice69x
i thaught the whr was in the crystal not the other way around?
not positive im just asking.

I didn't say anything to the contrary.

Originally posted by xjustice69x
mabey its that there is a crystal for each universe?

Nah.

Originally posted by xjustice69x
or that it exsists symultaniusly in them all ?

Correct.

Because the Mkraan Crystal is connected to every universe in the Prime Multiverse.

Originally posted by xjustice69x
breaking one does not always meen destroying all that is(multiverse). unless u break the prime crystal(616)?

Nah.

There's no difference between 616 and any other reality concerning the Mkraan Crystal.

The Mkraan Crystal is the base of the WHR.
The WHR is within the Mkraan Crystal.

Originally posted by xjustice69x
i think that was jamie braddock that warped the room

Originally posted by Creshosk
All the onpanel shows is the one universe. Not "all of marvel"

I know, I said that.

Galactus was in the process of absorbing one universe,
but Reed said that it would not be enough:

"The time will come soon when All the Energy in the Universe through out it's History
will not be sufficient to feed him"
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You know, now that I look at this from a different angle,
Reed could've meant the Multiverse or more.

Because this is 616 Reed talking, and that Universe their in,
is a Future Timeline connected to 616.

They were in a different point in History (another Timeline)
this is perhaps why Reed said,

"The time will come soon when All the Energy in the Universe through out it's History
will not be sufficient to feed him"
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And the 616 Universe's History is defined by realities/universes called Timelines.
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This is probably why the GOTG said this:

"Suddenly I am aware of a Timeline,
in which Galactus' appetite became insatiable,
and it threatened to consume All Existence"
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Interesting ... just a thought. 🙂

Originally posted by Creshosk
No. if it had exact copies of the characters their histories would be the same. If it had exact copies of the events it would be indistinguishable from 616. Jubilee was never around during the phoenix saga.

Actually this didn't diverge from the Phoenix Saga,

this story Diverged from a point where Jubilee is an X-Men.
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In the "Phoenix Saga," Dken is the villian.

In "better to light a small candle," the Dweller in Darkness is the villian.

Dken had long been dead, the Dweller re-animated his corpse from the grave:

This is far after the damage to the Crystal had been done.

Originally posted by Creshosk
The events are different, otherwise it wouldn't be a different universe.

Actually concerning "Diverged" Realities from 616,
they are exactly the same, in appearance and history, (mirrors literally)
until at one point in their identical Histories a "Divergence" takes place in the mirror reality,
then the UniverseS become completely separate in identity from that point on.
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Btw. Imo, the whole concept of diverging universes is ridiculous.

Basically countless copies of 616 and its history, yet not truly being 616.
Because some day,
one of those copies will decide to break from it's infinite mimicking of 616,
finally developing some dignity and taking up a life of its own. 😂

It's silly to me.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Not all doorways are the same size.

Has this been stated or depicted somewhere?

Regardless, it's not the doorway of any universe that matters,
it's the fact that the Mkraan Crystal
is connected to every universe in the Prime Multiverse.

The Crystal is being unwittingly activated from withIN,
not from within this Diverged reality, the Crystal was only accessed from there.

It was the one and only Mkraan Crystal itself that shattered:

Originally posted by Creshosk
Which is why it looks different and events pertaining to within the crystal are sometimes different right? Like when MJJ warped Psylocke and Rachel out of the room it was different from when Jean was dealing with that one universe in the here comes tomorrow storyline. Looks different, and events within were different.

That was the interpretation of different artists, I can't comment on that.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Mkraan Crystal is within the White Hot Room.

This is incorrect.

The WHR is within the Mkraan Crystal.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This is incorrect.

The WHR is within the Mkraan Crystal.

Originally posted by Creshosk
How can there be only one crystal then if its a doorway to the white hot room? there's has to in a sense be a crystal in each universe. For if each universe has acess to the white hot room how do they do it?

You're right actually, I agree.

Only the Crystal exists in every reality in the Prime Multiverse simultaneously.

There's evidently only one, in contemporaneity with others,
in all those realities in the Multiverse.

So in essence, it seems if one Crystal shatters, then they all do,
since they are all the same Crystal existing in a state of "omnipresence."

Omnipresence in the sense that it's in every reality in the Multiverse,
not in the sense that it's everywhere.
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Sounds like the Excalibur Tower.

There's one individual Tower in every Reality in the Omniverse,
but what's within the Tower is the same through out the Omniverse.

That being, a Nexus connected to every Reality,
only the Tower runs across all of Marvel.

Originally posted by Mr Master

only the Tower runs across all of Marvel.

Originally posted by Creshosk
What about the crystal?

The entire Prime Multiverse, that excerpt I just cropped states it.

Jahf one time stated it could take out all realities,
the recent Messiah Complex arc stated it to be a nexus of all realities.
Do they mean all realities in Marvel, rather than just the Multiverse?
Not exactly sure.

Could they have upgraded its influence from Multiversal to Omniversal?
Possibly, but it hasn't been demonstrated yet.

The Mkraan bio actually says,
it can take out all realities in the Multiverse and "possibly" beyond.

So it may very well be, it simply hasn't happened yet.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Mkraan bio actually says,
it can take out all realities in the Multiverse and "possibly" beyond.

Did they mean by that, all realities an beyond, actually to take all time and space?

Shouldn't that mean logically, there is one White Pheonix of the Crown and shouldn't that mean that WPTOC should then be Omniversal?
Possibly, it could be.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Did they mean by that, all realities an beyond, actually to take all time and space?

The Mkraan, theoretically, can take out all Earth-like dimensions in the Multiverse.

This has only been stated though, it has never been demonstrated.
When the Mkraan did explode On Panel, it destroyed and remade One universe.

That's all we have to go on, so far atleast.
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We may get to see the Mkraan in action soon,
or we may get Updated info on it on panel.

In the new X-Men/Vulcan series, it is sure to make its 07' dayview.
(I confused it before with the Messiah Complex arc)

Originally posted by Xplosive
Shouldn't that mean logically, there is one White Pheonix of the Crown and shouldn't that mean that WPTOC should then be Omniversal?
Possibly, it could be.

Nah ... (but there is only one WPOTC)

Mkraan has only proven to be Universal (in terms of annihilating realities)
Mkraan is Multiversal in its bio,
and it may be Multiversal on panel (but it hasn't been proven yet)

WPOTC is Not the embodiment of the Mkraan Crystal.
WPOTC is not even the embodiment of the WHR.

WPOTC is the leader/and most powerful of the Phoenix Corps.

The WHR is the base of operations/Home of the Phoenix Corps:

(excerpt from the 2007 Marvel Handbook Mkraan bio)
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On Panel ...

Here we have the Phoenix Corps behing Jean in the WHR:

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Here we have the Phoenix Corps in the WHR with Jean,
they seem to be going off on their missions through out the Multiverse:

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So, the pathway (Mkraan Nexus) they all use may be Multiversal,
but the Phoenixes themselves are healers, for specific universal ailments.
(like that Alternate Eternity's Cancer during the Bubonicus infection)

WPOTC, evidently is able to Repair an entire Timeline alone.

That's the difference between the Corps and WPOTC.
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Btw. apparently, since the WHR is withIN the Mkraan Crystal,
it's part of the Multiversal Nexus.

We know this because when Jamie teleported Rachel and Betsy there,
they were seeing their Alternates across Realities.

Why it was empty is one of those Marvel mysteries,
perhaps all the Corps were working,
perhaps that was a sector of the Room that was vacant,
I don't know.

But atleast this proves that the Mkraan is Multiversal as a Nexus.
How much damage it can cause to the Multiverse though,
is yet to be seen.

If that is what are you saying, I don't see a reason WPTOC not being an Omniversal (and you said there is only one WPOTC), since it's a possibility MKraan is actually an Omniversal.

Originally posted by Xplosive
If that is what are you saying, I don't see a reason WPTOC not being an Omniversal (and you said there is only one WPOTC),

But I don't see how you're seeing Phoenix as Omniversal,
just because the Mkraan could be Omniversal, assuming it could be that is.

Phoenix is NOT the embodiment of the Mkraan Crystal,
So Mkraan does NOT = Phoenix.

Phoenix is Phoenix ... Mkraan is Mkraan ...
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WPOTC and the Phoenix Corps operate within the WHR which is within the Mkraan Crystal.

But neither any of the Corps or WPOTC herself
have ever demonstrated Multiversal power,
so just because they have access to all realities in the Multiverse,
doesn't mean they have the power to destroy them all.

Originally posted by Xplosive
since it's a possibility MKraan is actually an Omniversal.

Mkraan is definitely Universal, and may be Multiversal.

I'm willing to give it a Multiversal status because it's been stated in different issues,
besides the official bio.

Omniversal is a stretch,
there's still not enough (if any) evidence, stated or otherwise,
that could make us begin to consider this seriously.

Hypothetical Question: If Vulcan was to shatter the M'Kraan Crystal in one reality and then absorb its power and become Phoenix is there still any chance of the Crystal being considered multiversal?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Hypothetical Question: If Vulcan was to shatter the M'Kraan Crystal in one reality and then absorb its power and become Phoenix is there still any chance of the Crystal being considered multiversal?

I don't think the Crystal would turn him into Phoenix, (I'm not sure)
but if Vulcan can do that,
well then that would just shit all over the Mkraan's rep.
(Vulcan is tuff, but he ain't all that)

The interesting thing though, would be seeing what it does to him,
how powerful does he become? I'd like to see that if it ever happens,
keep me posted EC.

Well this is the most up to date information about the project that I know of...:

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0711/14/firsts.htm

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Well this is the most up to date information about the project that I know of...:

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0711/14/firsts.htm

That looks real nice.

I can't wait to get my hands on that.

Good looks on the heads up EC.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Well this is the most up to date information about the project that I know of...:

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0711/14/firsts.htm

In other words, what if Vulcan became Phoenix? When his unlimited rage is fueled with unlimited power...who will be able to stop him now?

Hm. Maybe someone evil with full Phoenix power could demonstrate the full Poenix power if he went on rampage (no holding back). Then we could see who could trully stop the power of the Phoenix.

Originally posted by Xplosive
[B]In other words, what if Vulcan became Phoenix? When his unlimited rage is fueled with unlimited power...who will be able to stop him now?

Hm. Maybe someone evil with full Phoenix power could demonstrate the full Poenix power if he went on rampage (no holding back). Then we could see who could trully stop the power of the Phoenix. [/B]

It looks very interesting, let's wait till it comes out, let's read it,
then make our thoughts on the matter known.

Originally posted by Mr Master
It looks very interesting, let's wait till it comes out, let's read it,
then make our thoughts on the matter known.

I agree. I will certainly read it.

Originally posted by Xplosive
[B]In other words, what if Vulcan became Phoenix? When his unlimited rage is fueled with unlimited power...who will be able to stop him now?

Hm. Maybe someone evil with full Phoenix power could demonstrate the full Poenix power if he went on rampage (no holding back). Then we could see who could trully stop the power of the Phoenix. [/B]

I sense much fail in this issue (Thanks to Vulcan).