Phoenix vs. Galactus

Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh yeah you're sure neural. 🙄

Its not circular logic. Its just plain logic.

Seriously, did you not notice all the contradictions in his arguments?

Rachel is the equivilent of The full force phoenix due to his argument using the hyperbolic speech of a nitwit. Yes, I just called the phoenix force a nitwit. It's not omniscent, in fact thinking doesn't seem to be its strong suit. You can identify with that.

Rachel certainly didn't gain any extra knowledge from the force, that or it didn't know about its own nature. Jean even had to remind it of the speech that it had used on Jean. Or did you not read endsong where Jean had to tell the Force that they were one?

You don't find that funny? That a host was telling the force that they were one as if it didn't know? Which it didn't at that point in time.

Next up after saying that Rachel was all that the force is, he says that the Beyonder gave Rachel the full power of the phoenix. In order for him to have done that that means that she DIDN'T have that. otherwise its like me saying that I'me giving you the power to breath. Oops, you already have that.

So either she already was everything the force was or she wasn't.

You don't see a contradiction there?

It would help your side of the debate if you chose not to throw so many insults about with every statement. It's hard to be impartial when anybody who even remotely questions your statements is responded to with direct insults.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Seriously, did you not notice all the contradictions in his arguments?

no

Originally posted by Creshosk
Rachel is the equivilent of The full force phoenix due to his argument using the hyperbolic speech of a nitwit. Yes, I just called the phoenix force a nitwit. It's not omniscent, in fact thinking doesn't seem to be its strong suit. You can identify with that.

Rachel certainly didn't gain any extra knowledge from the force, that or it didn't know about its own nature. Jean even had to remind it of the speech that it had used on Jean. Or did you not read endsong where Jean had to tell the Force that they were one?

You don't find that funny? That a host was telling the force that they were one as if it didn't know? Which it didn't at that point in time.

masters showed us the scan where the pf tells rachel she is one with it
you haven't presented anything that disclaims that

Originally posted by Creshosk
Next up after saying that Rachel was all that the force is, he says that the Beyonder gave Rachel the full power of the phoenix. In order for him to have done that that means that she DIDN'T have that. otherwise its like me saying that I'me giving you the power to breath. Oops, you already have that.

So either she already was everything the force was or she wasn't.

masters said beyonder gave her the full power of the pf before she became one with the pf in excalibur are you paying attention

Originally posted by Creshosk
You don't see a contradiction there?

no but i do see you contradicting yourself due to lack of attention

Originally posted by Creshosk
I like that his scans don't always support what he's saying and that often times they contradict each other.

you sound like a person with a personal grudge cause i seen masters in many threads and he usually makes the same claims made by marvel in their scans

Originally posted by Creshosk
Cube beings are beyond the phoenix force because they gave to rachel what she already has? Or did she not have that?

pay attention

Originally posted by Creshosk
And I can give a town the full amount of water that's in a damn, by blowing up the dam. Does that mean that I can stop the flood that I unleashed?

what does this mean aside from nothing with the debate

Originally posted by Creshosk
No. So yeah, just speculation AGAIN.. but go ahead and listen. Be gullible.

so if i listen and agree with you im correct but if i listen and agree with masters im gullible

Originally posted by Kutulu
It would help your side of the debate if you chose not to throw so many insults about with every statement. It's hard to be impartial when anybody who even remotely questions your statements is responded to with direct insults.

right on kutulu i was just about to say that

Why did you Multi-post.

Originally posted by Creshosk
No, I'm pretty sure that I only asked for veruification of exactly what was involved with a state change and just how his being more powerful effects him... I don't think I ever stated that he would stay the same...

Sorry my bad.

Oh, strawman picked up from Mr Master because neither of you comprehend when you contradict yourself because you'll do anything to downplay phoenix to being nothing more than hearlad level... or are you even generous enough to say that she's that high? sly

I'm putting her far above a herald level being she would easily crush the the combined selection of Heralds, and strawman I agree with Master when I have the same openion he does and disagree with him when I think he is wrong thats the way I debate. I don't know how you debate but it looks like disagreeing with Master is the only correct thing to do according to you.

Naw, I'm saying its the putting her into the equation based off of the cube being and discardeing the context of the feats that makes it ABC logic.

Oh like when you did spidey > Galactus. And Post Retcon Beyonder was a incomplete Cosmic Cube I believe that his powers wasn't fully defined I suppose you know all about the Cosmic Cubes.

Spider-man only beat hulk due to circumstance of specifics of the situation.

Which makes you example earlier even more stupid IMO.

Oh now I see you've got a selective memeory. IT was clearly you who said that something wasn't, and then used it again right away. You'll note that I haven't used again that which I said wasn't ABC logic.

Oh sorry, I forgot you aren't bright enough to pick up on the obvious.

I'm fooling around and I was under the impression that you did too obvious I was wrong about you Creshock, and it turned out that you just throwed around insults and degrading On Panel proofs instead of trying to post scans to proof you case, I miss Galactic Storm in this threads at least he could always produce scans for his statements but you got nothing but you own "logic" which apparently >>> everything 👆

Since I'm mimicking you I got it from you. So no, you didn't get it from me, you're continuing on as you normally do. 🙂

Please direct me to a thread where I have used ABC logic other then according to you in this thread please, which actually was logic that can be used.

I'm tired of this it isn't a debate just insults and meaningless wordplay.

edit

Just a thread yall

I posted the scans before of the times Rachel and Big G met

Galactus lost to Rachel

Have a good evenin, my friend

Originally posted by guy222
Just a thread yall

I posted the scans before of the times Rachel and Big G met

Galactus lost to Rachel

Have a good evenin, my friend

Galactus would rape the fucking shit out of her until her cunt was ripped apart.

shock_oh

My, my this is a hot topic. I feel much resent, geared towards the Phoenix.
I always considered Galactus and Phoenix near equal.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Phoenix is so overrated by some,

the only thing every fan has to die by is,

"Phoenix amputated/disconnected that Alternate Future Timeline"

"Phoenix destroyed an Alternate Universe in a 'What if' issue"

That's it, that's all Phoenix has done under her own power that's worth mentioning.

In the Racheal and Necrom fight, an entire solar system was taking punishment for its consequential effect. In essence it was an Avatar (not the Merged Phoenix at the time) vs. Herself. Seeing as how Necrom was siphoning some of her power. In the Dark Phoenix Arc, when DP was consuming the energies from the sun. The Sun went supernova, at an accelerated rate. Wiping planets near by, DP suffered no consequence despite being on ground zero of the dieing star.

It may not be all out 3 Solar Star destruction, like Galactus. But then again, it was not meant to be. But it goes to show that at its high peaks, tanking and destruction at a solar system level is well within reason.

Maybe this is just one of the few reasons why, some fans think highly of the Phoenix?

Why is it that people are perfectly happy accepting Galactus' highest showings as gospel, but not Phoenix?

It's odd to me that people always talk about a hungry or starving Galactus, and using that to justify why he lost. That's his perpetual state. Almost any time we see Galactus, he's hungry. When he most often fights, he's hungry. There's nothing wrong with any avatar defeating Galactus at any time, because he is what he is.

Phoenix for the win.

Where was Phoenix when Thanos had the Infinity Gauntlet?

Every other major cosmic was there.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Where was Phoenix when Thanos had the Infinity Gauntlet?

Every other major cosmic was there.

Where was every other major cosmic when the M'Kraan crystal was threatening to end all that is?

Originally posted by Smoki
no

Originally posted by Smoki
masters showed us the scan where the pf tells rachel she is one with it
you haven't presented anything that disclaims that

Originally posted by Smoki
masters said beyonder gave her the full power of the pf before she became one with the pf in excalibur are you paying attention

Originally posted by Smoki
no but i do see you contradicting yourself due to lack of attention

Originally posted by Smoki
you sound like a person with a personal grudge cause i seen masters in many threads and he usually makes the same claims made by marvel in their scans

Originally posted by Smoki
pay attention

Originally posted by Smoki
what does this mean aside from nothing with the debate

Originally posted by Smoki
so if i listen and agree with you im correct but if i listen and agree with masters im gullible

Swallow the lies or side with the truth...

Originally posted by Utrigita
Sorry my bad.

I'm putting her far above a herald level being she would easily crush the the combined selection of Heralds, and strawman I agree with Master when I have the same openion he does and disagree with him when I think he is wrong thats the way I debate. I don't know how you debate but it looks like disagreeing with Master is the only correct thing to do according to you.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Oh like when you did spidey > Galactus. And Post Retcon Beyonder was a incomplete Cosmic Cube I believe that his powers wasn't fully defined I suppose you know all about the Cosmic Cubes.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Which makes you example earlier even more stupid IMO.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I'm fooling around and I was under the impression that you did too obvious I was wrong about you Creshock, and it turned out that you just throwed around insults and degrading On Panel proofs instead of trying to post scans to proof you case, I miss Galactic Storm in this threads at least he could always produce scans for his statements but you got nothing but you own "logic" which apparently >>> everything 👆

I mean the scans that would be my proof are the scans he's using as his proof.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Please direct me to a thread where I have used ABC logic other then according to you in this thread please, which actually was logic that can be used.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I'm tired of this it isn't a debate just insults and meaningless wordplay.

Originally posted by Creshosk
From both sides. Don't act like your shit doesn't stink you're just as guilty of that which you accuse me of. And at least I will admit to my actions. My shit stinks as bad as anyone elses.

Hey dude I know it points in both directions and again I don't want to discuss this any further since there is no meaning in doing so.

Originally posted by LordKaos
Where was every other major cosmic when the M'Kraan crystal was threatening to end all that is?

The Mkraan Crystal has been unleashed On Panel already,

it only took out & remade a single Alternate universe.
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Back in X-Men #108, the first time around,
the Mkraan Crystal only threatened ONE universe, on panel.

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Mkraan Crystal is said to be able to wipe out all Realities in the Bio, I agree.

But it has never done so On Panel, ... on panel it's greatest feat is One alternate Reality.

And,

On Panel > Bio